| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 23:03 - Mar 27 with 3750 views | cressi |
So we pay 22 millon to loan him out total, bo**ock* in my humble opinion. |  | |  |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 04:05 - Mar 28 with 3570 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
A team managed by KM best mate in OGS no doubt.
Expect agent in Turkey on an early flight this morning to update his insta profile. | | | |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 05:00 - Mar 28 with 3556 views | MK1 |
I can see that. We are going to have to lower our wage bill. We have Broadhead and Clarke for that position, so yes, I can see that one happening. If not them, then possibly another club. |  |
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| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 06:18 - Mar 28 with 3478 views | franz_tyson |
If he fancies it, how much can we stop him?
If we sanction a loan to a club at a higher level where his value increases and they are essentially improving him.... that could be in our interest.
Turkey, though. Usually a graveyard for English talent. | | | |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 08:09 - Mar 28 with 3210 views | ITFCBlues |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 06:18 - Mar 28 by franz_tyson |
If he fancies it, how much can we stop him?
If we sanction a loan to a club at a higher level where his value increases and they are essentially improving him.... that could be in our interest.
Turkey, though. Usually a graveyard for English talent. |
5 year deal stops him.
We're nor going to spend 20m to loan him out to Turkey are we? What benefit does that give us exactly? |  |
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| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 10:04 - Mar 28 with 2914 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 08:09 - Mar 28 by ITFCBlues |
5 year deal stops him.
We're nor going to spend 20m to loan him out to Turkey are we? What benefit does that give us exactly? |
Gets him off the wage bill for a year, gets him regular football and then he comes back if we get promoted. It may not plan out like that, but that sort of things happens all the time. Just look at the outs/sales from pretty much every relegated club. It’s not possible to sustain PL level wages in the championship, even with parachute payments.
But it’s not about an individual in isolation. We’ll be looking to balance a side within P&S rules taking into account various interest in players across the squad, KM’s preferences for the squad, etc.
Assuming we don’t manage the great escape of course. Not down yet. |  |
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| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 10:12 - Mar 28 with 2867 views | baxterbasics |
It's one of those "if it works for all parties, could happen" rumours.
McKenna will have some decisions to make about who he wants down that left side. |  |
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| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 10:17 - Mar 28 with 2828 views | portmanking |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 10:04 - Mar 28 by Swansea_Blue |
Gets him off the wage bill for a year, gets him regular football and then he comes back if we get promoted. It may not plan out like that, but that sort of things happens all the time. Just look at the outs/sales from pretty much every relegated club. It’s not possible to sustain PL level wages in the championship, even with parachute payments.
But it’s not about an individual in isolation. We’ll be looking to balance a side within P&S rules taking into account various interest in players across the squad, KM’s preferences for the squad, etc.
Assuming we don’t manage the great escape of course. Not down yet. |
As a matter of fact, we won't be paying PL wages in the Championship. We're the lowest payers in the PL by quite some margin and there's relegation clauses cutting their wages too.
In actual fact, I received some rather bullish info earlier this week, stating confidently that we wouldn't *need* to sell a single player during the 2025 summer and 2026 January transfer windows.
Getting Philogene off the wage bill to give him regular football in Turkey instead of regular football with us is sheer lunacy.
The only one that could work in that regard is Delap being loaned back to a PL club to continue his development. Something that I believe has been discussed internally. | | | |
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| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 10:42 - Mar 28 with 2693 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 05:00 - Mar 28 by MK1 |
I can see that. We are going to have to lower our wage bill. We have Broadhead and Clarke for that position, so yes, I can see that one happening. If not them, then possibly another club. |
While I don't expect our 2025 relegation to be as devastating as our 2002 relegation, I think some people are going to be surprised about some of the sensible decisions Ashton and co will need to make, to ensure we don't end up in a mess. Obviously, we will lose Cajuste, Phillips, and Enciso (with Godfrey already gone), so there are three big wages off the bill day one.
Then the players rumoured to be sold (or attracting interest) post relegation so far are:
Liam Delap
Jayden Philogene
Omari Hutchison
Leif Davis
Jack Clarke
Axel T.
I expect any number of those to go, and for us to recruit from the same bracket of clubs we did last summer, supplemented by a couple of Premier League loans. One thing I hope we have learned from is not to pay over the odds and not to be held to ransom on targets again. |  |
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| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 10:44 - Mar 28 with 2681 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 10:17 - Mar 28 by portmanking |
As a matter of fact, we won't be paying PL wages in the Championship. We're the lowest payers in the PL by quite some margin and there's relegation clauses cutting their wages too.
In actual fact, I received some rather bullish info earlier this week, stating confidently that we wouldn't *need* to sell a single player during the 2025 summer and 2026 January transfer windows.
Getting Philogene off the wage bill to give him regular football in Turkey instead of regular football with us is sheer lunacy.
The only one that could work in that regard is Delap being loaned back to a PL club to continue his development. Something that I believe has been discussed internally. |
We will need to make cuts/sales to ensure we are sensible and compliant with the EFL rules next season, just the nature of the beast. [Post edited 28 Mar 12:11]
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| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 11:10 - Mar 28 with 2589 views | portmanking |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 10:44 - Mar 28 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
We will need to make cuts/sales to ensure we are sensible and compliant with the EFL rules next season, just the nature of the beast. [Post edited 28 Mar 12:11]
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There are cuts baked in to players' salaries upon relegation.
We don't *need* sales in the first 2 windows to comply. Whether we stand in the way of someone moving back to the PL is another matter. | | | |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 11:16 - Mar 28 with 2547 views | Mullet |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 11:10 - Mar 28 by portmanking |
There are cuts baked in to players' salaries upon relegation.
We don't *need* sales in the first 2 windows to comply. Whether we stand in the way of someone moving back to the PL is another matter. |
There is no way Delap is denied an opportunity to go to Chelsea or whoever this summer - for his England ambitions, prem ambitions etc
Likewise I can see Omari going soon after for similar reasons.
Muric will go, and I guess philogene might feel he’s a target for the boo boys etc but I’d be disappointed if that was motivation for him to go anywhere. |  |
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| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 11:23 - Mar 28 with 2517 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 11:10 - Mar 28 by portmanking |
There are cuts baked in to players' salaries upon relegation.
We don't *need* sales in the first 2 windows to comply. Whether we stand in the way of someone moving back to the PL is another matter. |
I think keeping McKenna is going to be key. I certainly think that will be a factor in whether we can keep Omari/Davis or not. Delap will leave permanently surely, but hopefully if what you say is right we are in a position where we can afford to play hard ball and get the right deal for him. | | | |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 11:39 - Mar 28 with 2436 views | portmanking |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 10:42 - Mar 28 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
While I don't expect our 2025 relegation to be as devastating as our 2002 relegation, I think some people are going to be surprised about some of the sensible decisions Ashton and co will need to make, to ensure we don't end up in a mess. Obviously, we will lose Cajuste, Phillips, and Enciso (with Godfrey already gone), so there are three big wages off the bill day one.
Then the players rumoured to be sold (or attracting interest) post relegation so far are:
Liam Delap
Jayden Philogene
Omari Hutchison
Leif Davis
Jack Clarke
Axel T.
I expect any number of those to go, and for us to recruit from the same bracket of clubs we did last summer, supplemented by a couple of Premier League loans. One thing I hope we have learned from is not to pay over the odds and not to be held to ransom on targets again. |
You're not remotely comparing apples with apples re. 2002 and 2025.
In 2002 there was the ITV Digital crisis.
In 2025, we have the luxury of a £60m leg up on 87.5% of the entire division. And that's before you consider our ongoing commercial revenue which is likely to be at the top end of the Champ too. | | | |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 11:48 - Mar 28 with 2388 views | nodge_blue |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 11:16 - Mar 28 by Mullet |
There is no way Delap is denied an opportunity to go to Chelsea or whoever this summer - for his England ambitions, prem ambitions etc
Likewise I can see Omari going soon after for similar reasons.
Muric will go, and I guess philogene might feel he’s a target for the boo boys etc but I’d be disappointed if that was motivation for him to go anywhere. |
what's the scenario where Muric goes?
Even as a free transfer I doubt another PL club comes in. And who else could pay his wages?
Maybe he gets a loan somewhere and we pay a large chunk of the wages.
But I cant see us getting rid of him that easily. |  |
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| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 11:50 - Mar 28 with 2360 views | PhilTWTD |
The Turkish media really isn't to be taken seriously with their rumour-mongering. |  | | |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 12:08 - Mar 28 with 2241 views | tractordownsouth |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 11:48 - Mar 28 by nodge_blue |
what's the scenario where Muric goes?
Even as a free transfer I doubt another PL club comes in. And who else could pay his wages?
Maybe he gets a loan somewhere and we pay a large chunk of the wages.
But I cant see us getting rid of him that easily. |
There will be a market for Muric. The stuff he's good at (or was before this season) is what clubs are increasingly looking for in goalkeepers. Maybe a loan to buy deal to Ligue 1 or Serie A?
I could also see Russell Martin wanting him if his next job is at a club that can afford him. |  |
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| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 12:15 - Mar 28 with 2195 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 11:10 - Mar 28 by portmanking |
There are cuts baked in to players' salaries upon relegation.
We don't *need* sales in the first 2 windows to comply. Whether we stand in the way of someone moving back to the PL is another matter. |
We don't know how significant the cuts are, and given how much we've overpaid on fees, I can imagine some of these signings will be paid well over the odds for what they are really worth, even with a relegation drop built in. Players' agents are no-mugs, in fact Philogenes' agent deserves his own hall of fame entry here for getting two fees for him in a single season, given what was really on offer there.
We will need to sell players and reduce wages. There will be changes to the squad, and we will lose some of our better players. No one gets relegated unscathed simply because they have a low wage bill compared to the rest of the Premier League. Thats not how this works. | |
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| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 12:17 - Mar 28 with 2169 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 11:39 - Mar 28 by portmanking |
You're not remotely comparing apples with apples re. 2002 and 2025.
In 2002 there was the ITV Digital crisis.
In 2025, we have the luxury of a £60m leg up on 87.5% of the entire division. And that's before you consider our ongoing commercial revenue which is likely to be at the top end of the Champ too. |
We're going to have to sell players and make changes, every relegated club has to, it's not just us. If you don't believe that will happen, you are going to be in for s surprise. | |
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| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 12:21 - Mar 28 with 2148 views | portmanking |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 12:17 - Mar 28 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
We're going to have to sell players and make changes, every relegated club has to, it's not just us. If you don't believe that will happen, you are going to be in for s surprise. |
And I'm telling you we don't *have* to. There's a very big difference between needing to to balance the books and doing so because of player wishes/ambitions.
Of course, there will be changes. We've got multiple loanees, a couple out of contract and an ageing midfield to resolve. But relegation isn't going to mean selling off the crown jewels. | | | |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 12:47 - Mar 28 with 2027 views | itfcjoe |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 12:21 - Mar 28 by portmanking |
And I'm telling you we don't *have* to. There's a very big difference between needing to to balance the books and doing so because of player wishes/ambitions.
Of course, there will be changes. We've got multiple loanees, a couple out of contract and an ageing midfield to resolve. But relegation isn't going to mean selling off the crown jewels. |
I expect to see a news story like the Saints one about Dibling being valued at £100m to drop about Delap before the end of the season |  |
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| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 12:59 - Mar 28 with 1968 views | billlm |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 10:42 - Mar 28 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
While I don't expect our 2025 relegation to be as devastating as our 2002 relegation, I think some people are going to be surprised about some of the sensible decisions Ashton and co will need to make, to ensure we don't end up in a mess. Obviously, we will lose Cajuste, Phillips, and Enciso (with Godfrey already gone), so there are three big wages off the bill day one.
Then the players rumoured to be sold (or attracting interest) post relegation so far are:
Liam Delap
Jayden Philogene
Omari Hutchison
Leif Davis
Jack Clarke
Axel T.
I expect any number of those to go, and for us to recruit from the same bracket of clubs we did last summer, supplemented by a couple of Premier League loans. One thing I hope we have learned from is not to pay over the odds and not to be held to ransom on targets again. |
Can't see jaden omari or Jack going, Delap a 100%, Davis can't cut it in the premiership so Townsend will do in the championship more than a solid defender, Davis can go, |  | | |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 13:02 - Mar 28 with 1961 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 10:17 - Mar 28 by portmanking |
As a matter of fact, we won't be paying PL wages in the Championship. We're the lowest payers in the PL by quite some margin and there's relegation clauses cutting their wages too.
In actual fact, I received some rather bullish info earlier this week, stating confidently that we wouldn't *need* to sell a single player during the 2025 summer and 2026 January transfer windows.
Getting Philogene off the wage bill to give him regular football in Turkey instead of regular football with us is sheer lunacy.
The only one that could work in that regard is Delap being loaned back to a PL club to continue his development. Something that I believe has been discussed internally. |
"In actual fact, I received some rather bullish info earlier this week, stating confidently that we wouldn't *need* to sell a single player during the 2025 summer and 2026 January transfer windows."
I've saying this for weeks, and even provided workings to illustrate why were unlikely to have to sell, and could get some more in. It's all going to come down to what interest there is, at what price, and the player's 'desire'. I still think we have an outside chance of retaining some loanees, | | | |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 13:05 - Mar 28 with 1947 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 10:42 - Mar 28 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
While I don't expect our 2025 relegation to be as devastating as our 2002 relegation, I think some people are going to be surprised about some of the sensible decisions Ashton and co will need to make, to ensure we don't end up in a mess. Obviously, we will lose Cajuste, Phillips, and Enciso (with Godfrey already gone), so there are three big wages off the bill day one.
Then the players rumoured to be sold (or attracting interest) post relegation so far are:
Liam Delap
Jayden Philogene
Omari Hutchison
Leif Davis
Jack Clarke
Axel T.
I expect any number of those to go, and for us to recruit from the same bracket of clubs we did last summer, supplemented by a couple of Premier League loans. One thing I hope we have learned from is not to pay over the odds and not to be held to ransom on targets again. |
Highly unlikely IMO.
Where are these credible rumours. Ofc there is Delap, and that is well documented.
I don't count a Turkish link as credibly btw  . And speculation on here isn't rumour either. | | | |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 13:07 - Mar 28 with 1936 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Besiktas interested in Philogene loan .... on 12:08 - Mar 28 by tractordownsouth |
There will be a market for Muric. The stuff he's good at (or was before this season) is what clubs are increasingly looking for in goalkeepers. Maybe a loan to buy deal to Ligue 1 or Serie A?
I could also see Russell Martin wanting him if his next job is at a club that can afford him. |
Here's a controversial prediction - Walton goes, Muric stays to develop. | | | |
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