| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. 18:35 - Apr 5 with 2478 views | Blaggers12 |
It was an interesting model, seeing Forest spend big last year, take the points penalty, spending most of the early part of last season playing as a team of strangers, before doing enough to stay up. We spent big this year, and with the exception of Delap, I would struggle to find any other signings that have been worth the money in terms of contributions to the team. On can question McKenna in terms of tactics and how we've failed to close games out, but the bottom line for me is that we didn't recruit well enough. I understand we were fishing in a smaller pond but bloody hell, most of these players haven't turned up.
Muric, Clarke, Philogene, Hutchinson, Smods, Ogbene, Greaves, O'Shea, Phillips, Godfrey have all been nothing like the players we had hoped they would have been. In theory they should be great against the likes of Preston, Stoke and Cardiff. I'd be interested when the club review their scouting and recruitment methods!
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| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 18:38 - Apr 5 with 2435 views | Axeldalai_lama |
As opposed to those dead certs that everyone else buys when they go up. We really should have bought the ones we knew would keep us up shouldn't we? What were we thinking. |  | | |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 18:44 - Apr 5 with 2393 views | bsw72 |
You’re a year short on the Forest timeline, they spent in big 22/23, stayed up, consolidated last year with the pts deduction and have benefited this year. Forest weren’t that different to us in 22/23, gambled more and it’s paid off. |  | | |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 18:47 - Apr 5 with 2367 views | RegencyBlue |
We went for the best of the Championship and it hasn’t worked generally.
The gulf in class between a top Championship player and an average Premiership player is huge and it isn’t going to get any less. If we manage to come straight back next season we are going to have to do something different recruitment wise. |  | | |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 18:47 - Apr 5 with 2360 views | Bluecasp |
I agree that some of the signings haven't lived up to expectations but not sure who we could have recruited that would have saved us, The only signings that you mentioned that were questionable were probably Muric and Godfrey. All the others seemed like good buys.
The injury for Ogbene at Brentford really derailed us and we have really missed the energy that Smozdics brings. The problem for any promoted club is which established Premier League players want to join a team that is likely to go straight back down. It's not a problem unique to us. The Ben Godfrey signing is the one that annoyed me the most, and the fact that the club haven't told us what has happened to him. | | | |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 18:49 - Apr 5 with 2335 views | Blaggers12 |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 18:38 - Apr 5 by Axeldalai_lama |
As opposed to those dead certs that everyone else buys when they go up. We really should have bought the ones we knew would keep us up shouldn't we? What were we thinking. |
Well we went big on premier league experience with Phillips and he's offered nothing all season. We signed Godfrey because of his experience, and Son tore him a new one in 30 minutes. | | | |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 18:57 - Apr 5 with 2254 views | J2BLUE |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 18:47 - Apr 5 by RegencyBlue |
We went for the best of the Championship and it hasn’t worked generally.
The gulf in class between a top Championship player and an average Premiership player is huge and it isn’t going to get any less. If we manage to come straight back next season we are going to have to do something different recruitment wise. |
Surely it depends on the timeline? In 2-3 seasons we might look back and think it was the foundation of a really successful build.
Too early to tell yet but in the short term it has been disappointing. Depends if they were bought to keep us up this season or we're playing the long game with the likes of Greaves, O'Shea, Clarke, Philogene and Ogbene.
Time will tell. |  |
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| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 19:49 - Apr 5 with 2056 views | TheBoyBlue |
This team has been built for the coming seasons.
None of the players we needed would join us and why would they? Or any of the promoted teams? Therefore, buying good young players who will get better with us and/or be sold at a big profit has actually been really sensible recruitment. | |
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| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 19:51 - Apr 5 with 2020 views | bournemouthblue |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 18:44 - Apr 5 by bsw72 |
You’re a year short on the Forest timeline, they spent in big 22/23, stayed up, consolidated last year with the pts deduction and have benefited this year. Forest weren’t that different to us in 22/23, gambled more and it’s paid off. |
They gambled a bit more and just about got away with it
What people forget is Villa did a similar thing when they came up too
Forest didn't have the problem we have had that the 17 in this league have all been there for some time now, the gap is getting harder to close [Post edited 5 Apr 19:55]
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| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 19:57 - Apr 5 with 1967 views | Coastalblue |
We have severely limited resources and a trading model. So far it's got us two promotions, a large upgrade on recruitment and parachute payments going forward, plus the profit on those we have signed if and when.
Muric not going to make us anything back sure, Smodz I would imagine was never expected to, most of the others could well see us bank another years prem money and or a profit in time.
No way on earth in the current climate were we going to climb two divisions, sign some matchwinners and comfortably stay up. All we could hope for was to maybe cling on this season. |  |
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| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 20:00 - Apr 5 with 1946 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 19:49 - Apr 5 by TheBoyBlue |
This team has been built for the coming seasons.
None of the players we needed would join us and why would they? Or any of the promoted teams? Therefore, buying good young players who will get better with us and/or be sold at a big profit has actually been really sensible recruitment. |
A voice of reason- thank you. The OP lost all credibility criticising Ogbene’s contribution this season. Tough when you’re on crutches for most of the season.
Yes, the team has struggled. But could we have realistically recruited players with all the PL experience called for? Unlikely - either on cost grounds, or having better options in established clubs.
Has the season been disappointing? Yes.
Will we have a significantly stronger squad going into the Championship next season than in 22/23. Absolutely, by a country mile. Even if we lose a couple of players, such as Delap. This will put us in a much better position to compete in the PL when we return - another season to gel, recruit a few more and return to winning ways.
It’s OK to be despondent after a season like this, but don’t write of much of the FUTURE talent we have secured. [Post edited 5 Apr 23:45]
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| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 20:11 - Apr 5 with 1822 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I’m not as worried about PL experience as such because that is often unrealistic but the value is clearly in the top divisions abroad. We understandably didn’t seem to have much of a network in place but also seems there wasn’t a great appetite to gamble on non English players settling in. |  | | |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 20:14 - Apr 5 with 1777 views | Blaggers12 |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 20:00 - Apr 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
A voice of reason- thank you. The OP lost all credibility criticising Ogbene’s contribution this season. Tough when you’re on crutches for most of the season.
Yes, the team has struggled. But could we have realistically recruited players with all the PL experience called for? Unlikely - either on cost grounds, or having better options in established clubs.
Has the season been disappointing? Yes.
Will we have a significantly stronger squad going into the Championship next season than in 22/23. Absolutely, by a country mile. Even if we lose a couple of players, such as Delap. This will put us in a much better position to compete in the PL when we return - another season to gel, recruit a few more and return to winning ways.
It’s OK to be despondent after a season like this, but don’t write of much of the FUTURE talent we have secured. [Post edited 5 Apr 23:45]
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I didn't criticise Ogbene, but he hasn't contributed though, has he! | | | |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 20:15 - Apr 5 with 1755 views | bournemouthblue |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 20:11 - Apr 5 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I’m not as worried about PL experience as such because that is often unrealistic but the value is clearly in the top divisions abroad. We understandably didn’t seem to have much of a network in place but also seems there wasn’t a great appetite to gamble on non English players settling in. |
That presumably is being developed along with the training ground upgrades
We will be run like a PL club for the next couple of seasons, we will hopefully benefit from that in the long run | |
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| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 20:16 - Apr 5 with 1740 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 20:14 - Apr 5 by Blaggers12 |
I didn't criticise Ogbene, but he hasn't contributed though, has he! |
“Ogbene, …. been nothing like the player[s] we had hoped they would have been”
Maybe not been able to contribute, but that’s no fault of his. | | | |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 20:19 - Apr 5 with 1707 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 20:15 - Apr 5 by bournemouthblue |
That presumably is being developed along with the training ground upgrades
We will be run like a PL club for the next couple of seasons, we will hopefully benefit from that in the long run |
Hope so, as a couple of quotes about foreign markets did concern me. Ashton also constantly bangs on about his model being young British managers, obviously hit gold with KM despite a disappointing season. However, I’m never a fan of restricting the talent pool when it comes to players or coaches, especially when you look at the PL today. | | | |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 20:21 - Apr 5 with 1678 views | bournemouthblue |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 20:19 - Apr 5 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Hope so, as a couple of quotes about foreign markets did concern me. Ashton also constantly bangs on about his model being young British managers, obviously hit gold with KM despite a disappointing season. However, I’m never a fan of restricting the talent pool when it comes to players or coaches, especially when you look at the PL today. |
It's a fair point and a massive area for improvement | |
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| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 22:56 - Apr 5 with 1308 views | WeirdFishes |
We’ve spent the best part of 50 million pounds on Jack Clarke, Jaden Philogene and Muric. The cost of those three vs their impact has been utterly pathetic and it’s a theme throughout our recruitment.
If anything, I hope we’ve learnt a few lessons there this season. |  |
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| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 08:10 - Apr 6 with 931 views | ITFCBlues |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 18:57 - Apr 5 by J2BLUE |
Surely it depends on the timeline? In 2-3 seasons we might look back and think it was the foundation of a really successful build.
Too early to tell yet but in the short term it has been disappointing. Depends if they were bought to keep us up this season or we're playing the long game with the likes of Greaves, O'Shea, Clarke, Philogene and Ogbene.
Time will tell. |
This is just it isn't it. This season always going to be difficult. But we've got a far stronger squad now than we had last season. Players that can grow with the club.
To sit there and criticise the recruitment after 1 season in the PL when we were always building from a weak base in terms of the required quality is ludicrous frankly. If they get us promotion next season, then the recruitment would've been spot on. |  |
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| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 08:21 - Apr 6 with 870 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 22:56 - Apr 5 by WeirdFishes |
We’ve spent the best part of 50 million pounds on Jack Clarke, Jaden Philogene and Muric. The cost of those three vs their impact has been utterly pathetic and it’s a theme throughout our recruitment.
If anything, I hope we’ve learnt a few lessons there this season. |
They’re the disappointments (although Philogene hasn’t been here long).
Greaves was looking good before injury
O’Shea is good
Townsend’s been good
Phillips was getting there, but then more injuries
Enciso is good
Cajuste good
Delap obviously good
Palmer pretty good
We’ve definitely strengthened. It’s just that the gap in quality is huge and young players have been expected to hit the ground running. I’m not sure there’s anything particularly wrong in our approach. We couldn’t have afforded proven top class PL players (neither fees nor wages). |  |
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| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 08:22 - Apr 6 with 868 views | Mark |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 22:56 - Apr 5 by WeirdFishes |
We’ve spent the best part of 50 million pounds on Jack Clarke, Jaden Philogene and Muric. The cost of those three vs their impact has been utterly pathetic and it’s a theme throughout our recruitment.
If anything, I hope we’ve learnt a few lessons there this season. |
Plus around £4m a year wages for those three I suspect, hopefully much less after relegation clauses. |  | | |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 10:59 - Apr 6 with 691 views | southnorfolkblue |
| We gambled on our signings, and most of them haven't paid off. on 18:49 - Apr 5 by Blaggers12 |
Well we went big on premier league experience with Phillips and he's offered nothing all season. We signed Godfrey because of his experience, and Son tore him a new one in 30 minutes. |
Add to that Ben Johnson who had plenty of PL experience has struggled to nail down a regular starting place.
Just shows how difficult it is for newly promoted sides to recruit effectively | |
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