| Delap reported 40m clause... 08:16 - Apr 6 with 7820 views | ITFCBlues |
If that is the case, that'd be hugely disappointing. We'd have sold ourselves at least 10m short.
Hopefully that's not the case with MA comments suggesting we're well protected although I'd say that a sale of 40m hasn't protected us well at all! |  |
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| Delap reported 40m clause... on 12:07 - Apr 6 with 1514 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 12:01 - Apr 6 by pointofblue |
So you're basically saying the clause might state that we have to accept AN offer of £40m or over, but not necessarily every offer. Which is exactly what I say in the second paragraph of the OP. |
Why wouldn’t a buyer who might have offered 45m adjust their offer to 40m when they’ve persuaded the player to move there? Bear in mind half the division is probably already talking to his representatives. |  | | |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 12:13 - Apr 6 with 1497 views | pointofblue |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 12:07 - Apr 6 by PrideOfTheEast |
Why wouldn’t a buyer who might have offered 45m adjust their offer to 40m when they’ve persuaded the player to move there? Bear in mind half the division is probably already talking to his representatives. |
I agree, which is why I'm not sure whether such a clause exists. Though, if they do, we could withdraw from the deal saying they negotiated in bad faith, and accept the next highest offer, I suppose. Then it'd be down to how Delap reacts. | |
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| Delap reported 40m clause... on 12:19 - Apr 6 with 1489 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 12:01 - Apr 6 by pointofblue |
So you're basically saying the clause might state that we have to accept AN offer of £40m or over, but not necessarily every offer. Which is exactly what I say in the second paragraph of the OP. |
Yes, that is normally how these release clauses seem to be framed - match the figure as a minimum to be allowed to begin talking to the player (although many ITK say these fee driven release clauses are still fairly uncommon).
A release clause tied to relegation is, I think, more likely and more common. | | | |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 12:45 - Apr 6 with 1444 views | Herbivore |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 11:56 - Apr 6 by SuffolkPunchFC |
You're not understanding how these release clauses are usually written. It will obligate us to allow the player to begin to talk to the enquiring club. During that process it does not stop other clubs enquiring, and speaking to the player.
Once terms are agreed, and the release clause is met (potentially by multiple clubs), we are obligated to accept an offer - but not necessarily tied to the first offer received. Player agreeing terms of course also comes into it too, but any well written contract will guard against unreasonable negotiations. |
I don't think it's me who isn't understanding how release clauses work, mate, but we're getting nowhere so let's leave it there. |  |
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| Delap reported 40m clause... on 12:57 - Apr 6 with 1421 views | LankHenners |
In an ‘open market’ we could probably get more than that but is £40mil that bad a deal really? Think more than doubling your outlay on a player has to be seen as a win whoever it is. |  |
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| Delap reported 40m clause... on 12:59 - Apr 6 with 1395 views | Herbivore |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 12:57 - Apr 6 by LankHenners |
In an ‘open market’ we could probably get more than that but is £40mil that bad a deal really? Think more than doubling your outlay on a player has to be seen as a win whoever it is. |
It's not horrendous, think it's more that as you say in an open market we could get more for him. Given the reaction of our fans when we signed him - most saying he was overpriced and why did we pay that for him - you'd have to say that doubling our money in a season isn't a terrible bit of business. Hopefully we will have some negotiating power still, hard to know whether there's any credibility to the press rumours about release clauses and buy backs. | |
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| Delap reported 40m clause... on 14:01 - Apr 6 with 1313 views | Trequartista |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 12:57 - Apr 6 by LankHenners |
In an ‘open market’ we could probably get more than that but is £40mil that bad a deal really? Think more than doubling your outlay on a player has to be seen as a win whoever it is. |
I don't think the comparison to the price paid is the most significant measurement. Would selling Davis for £5m be a good deal?
That said, I don't think we can have any complaint if the £40m clause exists. It was obviously insisted on by Manchester City or Delap himself so the alternative was to walk away from the deal. [Post edited 6 Apr 14:02]
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| Delap reported 40m clause... on 14:04 - Apr 6 with 1300 views | Nutkins_Return |
It's still a fantastic deal done by the club objectively. It's just he has surpassed expectations that make it look 'bad'. I don't think on relegation we would have got much more than £50 million in any case. Stayed up we could have played hardball and got £60-65m | |
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| Delap reported 40m clause... on 15:01 - Apr 6 with 1263 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 12:57 - Apr 6 by LankHenners |
In an ‘open market’ we could probably get more than that but is £40mil that bad a deal really? Think more than doubling your outlay on a player has to be seen as a win whoever it is. |
Any clause that forces you to sell under current market value is not a win unfortunately. |  | | |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 21:59 - Apr 6 with 1172 views | itfc48 |
It can depend if there are any stipulations over payment terms. Release clauses in Spain etc have to be paid up front in full which has in the past led the buying club to negotiate a higher fee but pay in instalments. | | | |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 16:24 - Apr 7 with 1031 views | BlueBlood90 |
I remember thinking £15m was extremely expensive for a relatively unproven Championship striker at the time so a £40m release clause would've sounded astronomical to me.
He's been a fantastic signing and deserves to be playing in the top flight next season. |  |
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| Isn't hindsight a marvellous thing on 16:40 - Apr 7 with 995 views | Dyland |
nft |  |
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| Surely that's only the case if it's a buy back on 16:44 - Apr 7 with 990 views | Dyland |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 10:36 - Apr 6 by Herbivore |
Why would a club offer us more than £40m when we've already had to accept offers of £40m from other clubs? It's not a fee at which we have to start negotiations, it's a fee that we have to accept, otherwise there's no point in it as we can just claim we negotiated but couldn't agree a deal. We won't get a penny over the release clause if there is one. |
A general release clause doesn't stop two clubs e.g. fighting for the signing. E.g. Manure offer £40 mill but Chelsea offer £41m... then Manure offer 41 and a half... etc :)
Seriously though, if a few clubs want him, the fee would surelt be more than 40m.
Shirly. | |
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| Surely that's only the case if it's a buy back on 16:50 - Apr 7 with 976 views | pointofblue |
| Surely that's only the case if it's a buy back on 16:44 - Apr 7 by Dyland |
A general release clause doesn't stop two clubs e.g. fighting for the signing. E.g. Manure offer £40 mill but Chelsea offer £41m... then Manure offer 41 and a half... etc :)
Seriously though, if a few clubs want him, the fee would surelt be more than 40m.
Shirly. |
The argument is, if the release clause is £40m and Town have to accept all offers at that amount, why would any club bid more? Unless there's something in the contract which states we only have to accept the most suitable offer over that amount.
Otherwise, the fighting will be over Delap's contract. | |
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| Delap reported 40m clause... on 17:50 - Apr 7 with 916 views | tonybied |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 15:01 - Apr 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Any clause that forces you to sell under current market value is not a win unfortunately. |
It is if it means you get a player of Delaps quality in your team for the year, rather than him signing for a rival. I imagine you and others whining about the fee we potentially will get in the summer would be whining even more if he had gone to Southampton, and they were the ones that were doing the better out of the 3 promoted teams, as let's face it, he has probably been the difference between us this season. You wouldn't be thinking it was bad business then. |  | | |
| Surely that's only the case if it's a buy back on 17:51 - Apr 7 with 912 views | Herbivore |
| Surely that's only the case if it's a buy back on 16:44 - Apr 7 by Dyland |
A general release clause doesn't stop two clubs e.g. fighting for the signing. E.g. Manure offer £40 mill but Chelsea offer £41m... then Manure offer 41 and a half... etc :)
Seriously though, if a few clubs want him, the fee would surelt be more than 40m.
Shirly. |
If the clause obligates us to accept any offers of £40m then why would any club want to pay us more than £40m? They're not bidding against each other as both would have bids accepted at £40m regardless. | |
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| Delap reported 40m clause... on 17:52 - Apr 7 with 898 views | Herbivore |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 17:50 - Apr 7 by tonybied |
It is if it means you get a player of Delaps quality in your team for the year, rather than him signing for a rival. I imagine you and others whining about the fee we potentially will get in the summer would be whining even more if he had gone to Southampton, and they were the ones that were doing the better out of the 3 promoted teams, as let's face it, he has probably been the difference between us this season. You wouldn't be thinking it was bad business then. |
Also, if someone had said when we signed him that he had a £40m release clause you could count on one hand the number of people who thought he'd realistically command more than that 9 months later. Hindsight bias is real. | |
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| Delap reported 40m clause... on 18:01 - Apr 7 with 853 views | hoppy |
Wow... Three pages of opinion and explanations about a deal that may or may not be in place, and if it is, that nobody knows the details of... |  |
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| Delap reported 40m clause... on 18:12 - Apr 7 with 831 views | Simonds92 |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 12:57 - Apr 6 by LankHenners |
In an ‘open market’ we could probably get more than that but is £40mil that bad a deal really? Think more than doubling your outlay on a player has to be seen as a win whoever it is. |
Yes, because we're leaving ourselves at least £30m short of what we should be getting. With the profit we make, we can't even buy a Jaden Philogene.
No idea where this £40m has resurfaced from again though? I can see some Man Utd rubbish saying he's their top target and that City have a £40m buy back clause. If City don't activate said clause then surely there is no obligation for us to accept such a low figure from elsewhere.
With the 20% sell on fee, based on it being on profit we'd get £36m and if it's for the entire sale we'd get £32m. Absolutely terrible business.
I can't think that would be true, but who knows. | | | |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 18:46 - Apr 7 with 784 views | bluejacko |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 18:01 - Apr 7 by hoppy |
Wow... Three pages of opinion and explanations about a deal that may or may not be in place, and if it is, that nobody knows the details of... |
Perhaps it’s time for Phil to put all these in a Delap thread otherwise it’s going to take up the whole board for 5 months 🤔 | | | |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 20:42 - Apr 7 with 717 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 18:12 - Apr 7 by Simonds92 |
Yes, because we're leaving ourselves at least £30m short of what we should be getting. With the profit we make, we can't even buy a Jaden Philogene.
No idea where this £40m has resurfaced from again though? I can see some Man Utd rubbish saying he's their top target and that City have a £40m buy back clause. If City don't activate said clause then surely there is no obligation for us to accept such a low figure from elsewhere.
With the 20% sell on fee, based on it being on profit we'd get £36m and if it's for the entire sale we'd get £32m. Absolutely terrible business.
I can't think that would be true, but who knows. |
Terrible business? Odd take.
Aside from it all being speculation right now, we took a chance on an untried striker for the Premiership, and potentially stand to make 10s of Millions. Very few people would see that as terrible business. | | | |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 20:51 - Apr 7 with 692 views | Simonds92 |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 20:42 - Apr 7 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Terrible business? Odd take.
Aside from it all being speculation right now, we took a chance on an untried striker for the Premiership, and potentially stand to make 10s of Millions. Very few people would see that as terrible business. |
Well worst case scenario as listed above we make £12m.
If, at the point you're agreeing the deal, the best case scenario is that you can make £12m profit even if he scores 30 goals and gets an England call up, and the worst case scenario is he is a complete dud and you take a £10m hit on him, I would say it's not exactly good business. | | | |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 21:11 - Apr 7 with 630 views | Rozz |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 20:51 - Apr 7 by Simonds92 |
Well worst case scenario as listed above we make £12m.
If, at the point you're agreeing the deal, the best case scenario is that you can make £12m profit even if he scores 30 goals and gets an England call up, and the worst case scenario is he is a complete dud and you take a £10m hit on him, I would say it's not exactly good business. |
The reported clause is dependent on relegation, so your best case scenario is off. If we survived he would still be ours with no obligations. |  | | |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 21:31 - Apr 7 with 601 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 20:51 - Apr 7 by Simonds92 |
Well worst case scenario as listed above we make £12m.
If, at the point you're agreeing the deal, the best case scenario is that you can make £12m profit even if he scores 30 goals and gets an England call up, and the worst case scenario is he is a complete dud and you take a £10m hit on him, I would say it's not exactly good business. |
The rumoured £20M was with addons - which I suspect have not been triggered. Without, the fee was rumoured to be £15M, so at £40M, we should clear £20M. | | | |
| Delap reported 40m clause... on 08:05 - Apr 8 with 397 views | DJR |
This suggests Man U are interested, as well as Chelsea.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/apr/07/andre-onana-will-not-speed-up-p
"City hold a £40m buy-back option for Delap but do not currently plan to use this. While the fee for the player is set to be £40m or a little more, United may face competition, with Chelsea reportedly also interested." [Post edited 8 Apr 8:06]
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