| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from 23:53 - Apr 20 with 2755 views | ITFC_84 |
The media. BBC, Sky Sports and TalkSPORT ‘pundits’ alike seem to be crucifying McKenna for his tactics and the teams poor on field game management.
Do these pundits know what they’re talking about, or purely looking at us when we play a game against the ‘big 6’? It was real ‘deer in the headlights’ stuff from us today. We just let them play. |  | | |  |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 23:56 - Apr 20 with 2708 views | Sarge |
We’ve been tactically poor for a while and rigid in formations and personnel that haven’t worked for most of the season so I don’t think it’s entirely unfair. Anyone escalating it beyond that though is a moron. | | | |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 23:58 - Apr 20 with 2689 views | norfsufblue |
Don't worry in 5 weeks they will have forgotten all about us.. Keiran will go away and spend a good chunk of the next year analysing what went wrong and let MA and Gamechanger know what will be required and i believe we will benefit hugely in the long run from our bonus Premier League season |  | | |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 00:01 - Apr 21 with 2659 views | warky_1970 |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 23:56 - Apr 20 by Sarge |
We’ve been tactically poor for a while and rigid in formations and personnel that haven’t worked for most of the season so I don’t think it’s entirely unfair. Anyone escalating it beyond that though is a moron. |
Correct. Other than a couple of games against Chelsea, it makes you wonder why we even bothered taking part in most games over the last 6 months. |  | | |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 00:10 - Apr 21 with 2597 views | ITFCSG |
I have watched a couple of matches on TV with supporters of other PL and Champ clubs. Most of them acknowledge the huge disparity between the leagues but also expected us to play better and be more tactically savvy after seeing our exciting, attacking play last season. Remember watching the Palace match with a Boro supporter who was shocked at how passive we were pissing around at the back with in his words “no sense of urgency”
Take off the blue tinted glasses, doesn’t have to be the media and pundits, ask any neutral to watch our games this season and more often than not they will tell you how poor we are. | | | |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 00:28 - Apr 21 with 2500 views | Garv |
I think we could have been more savvy, played 5 at the back more often, perhaps been more direct (not that we haven't done that at times), but I'm not convinced it would have seen us loads better off.
And if our ambition long term is to be the next Bournemouth or Brighton, or Brentford, then McKenna will feel we need to keep playing the same way, because it's how all the decent teams play themselves. |  |
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| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 00:29 - Apr 21 with 2493 views | pointofblue |
Let them crucify. Less likely McKenna will be approached by another club if he's getting ripped apart - however unfairly. | |
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| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 06:24 - Apr 21 with 1989 views | Jimmy86 |
The media are a very fickle bunch... as you say, it's the same media that waxed lyrical about KMck last season and highlighted what a good job he'd done with us to secure back to back promotions and the fact we competed against teams with parachute payments..
some of their appraisals of us this season have been fair enough, based on the money spent this summer... but when you have Lineker reminding Murphy on MOTD that we had been promoted twice in 2 seasons and didn't have the same squad compared to the other 2 promoted teams and therefore had to spend money, that also says it all.. Murphy still replies with "I still expected them to have been more competitive" proves he paid lip service to what Lineker had just told him
If it isn't the top 6, they don't want to know... there is clear bias from some of these pundits or "experts" In the media...
Yesterday on Talksport they had that wheezing buffoon, Adrian Durham.. a Peterborough fan, who won't ever see his team in the premiership and Perry Groves, who used to play for Arsenal.. the media reaction to the Davis red card, which was deserved in my opinion, was OTT to say the least.. they claimed he set out to "do" Saka, which is nonsense..
You also had Sky sports, who thought it was a good idea to have Sutton on co-commentary, when he is so clearly anti Ipswich and that topped off a miserable day... saying that, Sky sports are a broadcaster that still employ Carragher, after he gobbed on a young girl.. [Post edited 21 Apr 6:34]
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| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 06:45 - Apr 21 with 1905 views | Chrisd |
It’s not just against the big 6 though is it? We’ve generally been poor against a lot of sides whether they are top 6, mid table or bottom half. I do believe it is about time questions were asked? This season it has highlighted that KM is quite predictable in what he does. Yesterday, we weren’t really ever going to get anything from the game, but we still try and outplay Arsenal at their own game? Why not hit it long more often, get them turned, get us higher up the pitch, get balls into their box, but yet we still continue to play a brand of football that 100% suits Arsenal’s style of play. KM’s only adapts by changing personnel, not tactics or formation.
I think the club has got quite a few things wrong, but KM still has plenty in the bank, however he doesn’t escape criticism this season and nor should he. | |
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| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 07:07 - Apr 21 with 1781 views | Jimmy86 |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 06:45 - Apr 21 by Chrisd |
It’s not just against the big 6 though is it? We’ve generally been poor against a lot of sides whether they are top 6, mid table or bottom half. I do believe it is about time questions were asked? This season it has highlighted that KM is quite predictable in what he does. Yesterday, we weren’t really ever going to get anything from the game, but we still try and outplay Arsenal at their own game? Why not hit it long more often, get them turned, get us higher up the pitch, get balls into their box, but yet we still continue to play a brand of football that 100% suits Arsenal’s style of play. KM’s only adapts by changing personnel, not tactics or formation.
I think the club has got quite a few things wrong, but KM still has plenty in the bank, however he doesn’t escape criticism this season and nor should he. |
Think that is why the pundits have tended to be critical, if truth be told..
We were a lot more competitive earlier in the season, when we were more of an unknown quantity.. teams then worked as out..
Also, the likes of Kompany, Russell Martin and to an extent Mckenna all play a brand of football that makes them appealing to other teams in the premiership, or abroad.. there's definitely some self preservation in that regard... Martin stuck to his principles, as that's what got them promoted and he wasn't going to change.. also, see Mckenna
Kompany got his big move to Bayern, but that could be more to do with his stellar playing career and limited success in management | | | |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 07:36 - Apr 21 with 1601 views | bsw72 |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 06:45 - Apr 21 by Chrisd |
It’s not just against the big 6 though is it? We’ve generally been poor against a lot of sides whether they are top 6, mid table or bottom half. I do believe it is about time questions were asked? This season it has highlighted that KM is quite predictable in what he does. Yesterday, we weren’t really ever going to get anything from the game, but we still try and outplay Arsenal at their own game? Why not hit it long more often, get them turned, get us higher up the pitch, get balls into their box, but yet we still continue to play a brand of football that 100% suits Arsenal’s style of play. KM’s only adapts by changing personnel, not tactics or formation.
I think the club has got quite a few things wrong, but KM still has plenty in the bank, however he doesn’t escape criticism this season and nor should he. |
Confidence, or lack of it, plays a huge part in our demise.
When things are going your way you will generally play on instinct and zip the ball quicker etc. We started the season well, moving the ball quicker and trying to take the game to the opposition but as that started to prove unsuccessful the players start to question what the right pass is, who to pick up etc, that slows our game, making it more ponderous.
Over the course of the season our playing style has evolved, slightly more defensive and withdrawn, playing more long balls, in fact several times yesterday we hit the ball long to GH, but he either was crowded out or lacked the support. Team are limited with how much we can change style by available playing staff, for example we lack pace in CM to support a long ball game effectively and injury has robbed us of effective attacking wide players to use balls down the flanks. A longer ball game would be effective with Szmodics and Burns/Ogbene available etc.
KM and the players have made mistakes all season, but I think the biggest problem has been the injuries and loss of confidence especially in second half of season. |  | | |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 07:38 - Apr 21 with 1576 views | bsw72 |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 00:29 - Apr 21 by pointofblue |
Let them crucify. Less likely McKenna will be approached by another club if he's getting ripped apart - however unfairly. |
Clubs and boards won’t pay attention to media, he will still be a wanted man. | | | |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 07:50 - Apr 21 with 1501 views | Chrisd |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 07:36 - Apr 21 by bsw72 |
Confidence, or lack of it, plays a huge part in our demise.
When things are going your way you will generally play on instinct and zip the ball quicker etc. We started the season well, moving the ball quicker and trying to take the game to the opposition but as that started to prove unsuccessful the players start to question what the right pass is, who to pick up etc, that slows our game, making it more ponderous.
Over the course of the season our playing style has evolved, slightly more defensive and withdrawn, playing more long balls, in fact several times yesterday we hit the ball long to GH, but he either was crowded out or lacked the support. Team are limited with how much we can change style by available playing staff, for example we lack pace in CM to support a long ball game effectively and injury has robbed us of effective attacking wide players to use balls down the flanks. A longer ball game would be effective with Szmodics and Burns/Ogbene available etc.
KM and the players have made mistakes all season, but I think the biggest problem has been the injuries and loss of confidence especially in second half of season. |
A longer ball game with Hirst and Delap up top would’ve been a better option. This is what I mean about KM’s persistence simply to stick to the same formation, he’s rarely gone with two up top, but it would’ve given them more to think about. I did recall Palmer hitting it long for the first time and then ironic cheers from the crowd yesterday. Why persist playing out from the back when we were struggling to get out of their press? We needed to turn it into a scrap yesterday, not try and play them at their own game, they have got miles better players than we have. It always seems it’s been reactive than proactive this season. [Post edited 21 Apr 7:52]
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| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 08:00 - Apr 21 with 1404 views | Churchman |
Well, the media like some people in general relish putting the boot in when somebody is down. Ridicule and criticism is the default go to. It’s how it is. The Premier League really is about the big clubs. If the rest of the fodder get a mention it’s with scorn and to justify a league that is inherently uncompetitive and unfair.
Never mind, that’s them and who cares.
I think it was less about allowing them to play and more about them being far too good. We weren’t allowed to play. They took us apart - a real team with people who could really play, just as Newcastle were earlier in the season. At no time were we able to impose ourselves before Davis was sent off. The game was gone by then anyway.
How do you improve ‘field game management’ when you don’t have the players to do it and are getting passed to death? No idea. Part of the answer again for me lies in midfield. We don’t have one. We play like an away team home or away. You’re not going to win games when you don’t control them?
Individually Morsy did ok and Cajuste made the odd good run with little support and no output. In the first 20 mins Hirst and Clarke did the same and on each occasion they ran out of road.
Teams have improved as the season has progressed. We haven’t. Partially this is due to injuries we just couldn’t afford. It’s also confidence. It’s a cliche but losing is a habit. Teams know how to play us and have the players to do it. Tactics - would radically changing our approach have worked? Don’t know. I doubt it because when you drill it down, all bar the two below have better players.
All in all, we’ve not been good enough individually or collectively.. I thought we might be closer but no. We’re a long way short. Blame? Well, it’s not about that for me and goes back to the first sentence of this rant. It’s about learning individually and collectively from Ashton, the staff and the suits to the players and match day presenter who annoys me with his build the atmosphere nonsense.
After a post-Christmas mauling it’s time for a reset and a summer break. The assessment is for then really, as is watching a bit of cricket as I’ll be doing end of next week. |  | | |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 08:06 - Apr 21 with 1361 views | bsw72 |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 07:50 - Apr 21 by Chrisd |
A longer ball game with Hirst and Delap up top would’ve been a better option. This is what I mean about KM’s persistence simply to stick to the same formation, he’s rarely gone with two up top, but it would’ve given them more to think about. I did recall Palmer hitting it long for the first time and then ironic cheers from the crowd yesterday. Why persist playing out from the back when we were struggling to get out of their press? We needed to turn it into a scrap yesterday, not try and play them at their own game, they have got miles better players than we have. It always seems it’s been reactive than proactive this season. [Post edited 21 Apr 7:52]
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So two up front is fine, but who do you sacrifice in midfield, one of the covering centres or one of the wide men, which in turn leaves the defence more exposed down the centre or the flanks. We are incredibly limited with our playing style based on available squad. Two up front vs Arsenal would have been suicidal with Arsenal’s playing style.
Why persist on playing out from the back? Probably because at least we hold the ball for a period and allow us to get some shape as opposed to sending a long ball forward only to lose possession quicker and get caught more out of shape. There was nothing the team could have done yesterday, especially down to 10 men which would have made it any better. We actually played a similar way at the Emirates and got a lot of kudos for it.
It’s all irrelevant yesterday as even if we had gone 2 up at the start, one would have been sacrificed when Davis went off. | | | |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 08:16 - Apr 21 with 1286 views | Chrisd |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 08:06 - Apr 21 by bsw72 |
So two up front is fine, but who do you sacrifice in midfield, one of the covering centres or one of the wide men, which in turn leaves the defence more exposed down the centre or the flanks. We are incredibly limited with our playing style based on available squad. Two up front vs Arsenal would have been suicidal with Arsenal’s playing style.
Why persist on playing out from the back? Probably because at least we hold the ball for a period and allow us to get some shape as opposed to sending a long ball forward only to lose possession quicker and get caught more out of shape. There was nothing the team could have done yesterday, especially down to 10 men which would have made it any better. We actually played a similar way at the Emirates and got a lot of kudos for it.
It’s all irrelevant yesterday as even if we had gone 2 up at the start, one would have been sacrificed when Davis went off. |
We weren’t really holding onto the ball for that long yesterday, invariably Arsenal were winning the ball back in our own half and we were instantly back under pressure on the edge of our own area. That was before Davis got sent off too. | |
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| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 08:30 - Apr 21 with 1182 views | OldFart71 |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 00:28 - Apr 21 by Garv |
I think we could have been more savvy, played 5 at the back more often, perhaps been more direct (not that we haven't done that at times), but I'm not convinced it would have seen us loads better off.
And if our ambition long term is to be the next Bournemouth or Brighton, or Brentford, then McKenna will feel we need to keep playing the same way, because it's how all the decent teams play themselves. |
I don't think playing five at the back would make much difference and also restrict the ability to go forward quickly. Teams like Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal just keep coming at you and having five at the back means the ball just gets hoofed upfield and then comes straight back at you. The main thing this season has been the huge gulf in quality between us and even teams like Wolves and Everton who in the last few weeks have managed to pull away from us. The lessons learned must be acted upon otherwise if we did manage to get promoted to the Premier League again the result would be the same as this season. | | | |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 08:42 - Apr 21 with 1098 views | backwaywhen |
When we get a decent result ie Chelsea away , it was all about the Chelsea come back from being 2 down …..These pundits are programmed to all but the promoted sides , as they very little about us and quite frankly haven’t needed to up until now , most of it is TV bulls#it . | | | |
| All of a sudden McKenna and the team seem to be getting real pelters from on 08:58 - Apr 21 with 967 views | muhrensleftfoot |
I thought Ashley Williams on MOTD was correct to point out Ipswich's weakness down our left. Leif Davis has been great in our promotion season with his wing play and assists, but always a bit suspect with his defensive game. With Jack Clarke on the left too, it was obvious we'd be exploited by Arsenal with the brilliant in form Sako. Contrast that with our right side, we have the excellent Tuanzebe and also Ben Johnson, both experienced defenders. [Post edited 21 Apr 12:05]
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