| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 23:30 - Apr 23 with 1483 views | BlueBadger |
Yes. She couldn't be arsed to take some basic precautions and people are dead. |  |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 23:31 - Apr 23 with 1485 views | BlueBadger |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 21:06 - Apr 23 by BanksterDebtSlave |
As stated before I think she will be serving the real sentence until the end of her days. I'm unclear as to what positive purpose the sentence serves. |
She'll be out in possibly 6-7 years and able to rebuild her life. The real life sentence is on the families of her victims. [Post edited 24 Apr 8:39]
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 23:32 - Apr 23 with 1483 views | BlueBadger |
Actually, I'd like to change my answer to either 'Christ alive' or 'Seriously?'. | |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 23:37 - Apr 23 with 1464 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 23:31 - Apr 23 by BlueBadger |
She'll be out in possibly 6-7 years and able to rebuild her life. The real life sentence is on the families of her victims. [Post edited 24 Apr 8:39]
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Assuming she behaves herself I doubt she'll do 10, probably about half that.
She definitely deserved prison, she failed to take even the most basic safety precautions whilst presenting herself as an expert in the field and as a result four people are dead. |  | | |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 23:37 - Apr 23 with 1464 views | Trequartista |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 21:06 - Apr 23 by BanksterDebtSlave |
As stated before I think she will be serving the real sentence until the end of her days. I'm unclear as to what positive purpose the sentence serves. |
It's called "justice". |  |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 00:05 - Apr 24 with 1413 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 21:40 - Apr 23 by bsw72 |
I’m sorry but “she will be serving the real sentence until the end of her days” is utter bs and really angers me. When she gets out of prison she will have her life and the chance to rebuild.
Who will really be having to live the rest of their lives with a sentence completely out of their control are the families of Nicola Wheatley, Morgan Rogers, Paul O'Dwyer and Andrea Powell, including the 2 young children who lost their mother. |
Do you think her time served will make them feel better about that? Perhaps there are other ways to pay that debt to society that might benefit us all better in the long run.
It rather sounds as if you want to lock her up for life. |  |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 00:11 - Apr 24 with 1398 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 00:05 - Apr 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Do you think her time served will make them feel better about that? Perhaps there are other ways to pay that debt to society that might benefit us all better in the long run.
It rather sounds as if you want to lock her up for life. |
What do you suggest is appropriate?
You seem to be taking the position she made a minor mistake and it was a tragic unforeseeable accident. It really doesn't read like that to me. |  |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 00:15 - Apr 24 with 1389 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 23:31 - Apr 23 by BlueBadger |
She'll be out in possibly 6-7 years and able to rebuild her life. The real life sentence is on the families of her victims. [Post edited 24 Apr 8:39]
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I was talking about her real sentence, not that of the families. Do you perhaps think that without serving time she might do it again? The notion that sentencing deters others is demonstrably a myth so who gains solace from this approach? | |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 00:16 - Apr 24 with 1387 views | BlueBadger |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 18:50 - Apr 23 by textbackup |
Whilst I agree, at what point should those attending maybe sit back and go ‘I dunno, that looks a bit rough and I’m only on a poxy paddle board’ taking steps to ensure they are safe.
(Obviously don’t wish to speak ill of them, and I don’t know the full ins and outs) |
Christ alive | |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 00:23 - Apr 24 with 1375 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 00:15 - Apr 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I was talking about her real sentence, not that of the families. Do you perhaps think that without serving time she might do it again? The notion that sentencing deters others is demonstrably a myth so who gains solace from this approach? |
If sentencing as a deterent is demonstrably a myth (I am not sure it is), do you see any purpose at all in prison for any offence? | |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 00:24 - Apr 24 with 1375 views | MattinLondon |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 23:31 - Apr 23 by BlueBadger |
She'll be out in possibly 6-7 years and able to rebuild her life. The real life sentence is on the families of her victims. [Post edited 24 Apr 8:39]
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And a lot of people are assuming that she has a conscience which will result in her remorse etc.
Given the extreme recklessness that she displayed leading to this tragedy I would question whether it’s a guarantee that she will take responsibility for her behaviour. It was not an ‘on the spur’ moment - those victims trusted her credentials, trusted her expertise and experience all of which was a lie.
I think that the sentence was appropriate. |  | | |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 00:27 - Apr 24 with 1365 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 00:24 - Apr 24 by MattinLondon |
And a lot of people are assuming that she has a conscience which will result in her remorse etc.
Given the extreme recklessness that she displayed leading to this tragedy I would question whether it’s a guarantee that she will take responsibility for her behaviour. It was not an ‘on the spur’ moment - those victims trusted her credentials, trusted her expertise and experience all of which was a lie.
I think that the sentence was appropriate. |
I suspect the victims' families may question whether it was long enough. I doubt they feel it was lenient. | |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 02:36 - Apr 24 with 1343 views | Ryorry |
Why did she do what she did? Was it to fraudulently take money off people whilst being too lazy, irresponsible and uncaring to take the basic precautions for their lives that they thoought they were paying her for?
Given that even theft carries a maximum sentence in the UK of seven years, I'd say she got off quite lightly - 2.5 years for each life - if I were a relative of any of those who lost their lives, I think I'd be raging. What happened wasn't an unpreventable 'accident', it was negligence, fraud & pre-planned criminal irresponsibility.
And if the victims should have weighed up the situation for themselves & deemed it too dangerous to go in, Texters, why didn't Lloyd, who knew the river better than they did, do so?
Wasn't her only offence of fraud either - put in a fraudulent insurance claim around the same time.
Swanners is right to highlight the disparity in sentencing between 'ordinary people' and large corporations/organisations though. |  |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 04:13 - Apr 24 with 1324 views | Benters |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 00:16 - Apr 24 by BlueBadger |
Christ alive |
What’s he said wrong then ? |  |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:02 - Apr 24 with 1228 views | BlueBadger |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 04:13 - Apr 24 by Benters |
What’s he said wrong then ? |
Ryorrer's 3rd paragraph sums it up.
Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? by Ryorry 24 Apr 2:36Why did she do what she did? Was it to fraudulently take money off people whilst being too lazy, irresponsible and uncaring to take the basic precautions for their lives that they thoought they were paying her for?
Given that even theft carries a maximum sentence in the UK of seven years, I'd say she got off quite lightly - 2.5 years for each life - if I were a relative of any of those who lost their lives, I think I'd be raging. What happened wasn't an unpreventable 'accident', it was negligence, fraud & pre-planned criminal irresponsibility.
And if the victims should have weighed up the situation for themselves & deemed it too dangerous to go in, Texters, why didn't Lloyd, who knew the river better than they did, do so?
Wasn't her only offence of fraud either - put in a fraudulent insurance claim around the same time.
Swanners is right to highlight the disparity in sentencing between 'ordinary people' and large corporations/organisations though.
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:07 - Apr 24 with 1203 views | Benters |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:02 - Apr 24 by BlueBadger |
Ryorrer's 3rd paragraph sums it up.
Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? by Ryorry 24 Apr 2:36Why did she do what she did? Was it to fraudulently take money off people whilst being too lazy, irresponsible and uncaring to take the basic precautions for their lives that they thoought they were paying her for?
Given that even theft carries a maximum sentence in the UK of seven years, I'd say she got off quite lightly - 2.5 years for each life - if I were a relative of any of those who lost their lives, I think I'd be raging. What happened wasn't an unpreventable 'accident', it was negligence, fraud & pre-planned criminal irresponsibility.
And if the victims should have weighed up the situation for themselves & deemed it too dangerous to go in, Texters, why didn't Lloyd, who knew the river better than they did, do so?
Wasn't her only offence of fraud either - put in a fraudulent insurance claim around the same time.
Swanners is right to highlight the disparity in sentencing between 'ordinary people' and large corporations/organisations though.
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Oh I see what you mean,but surely one of them must have thought balls to going in there. | |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:14 - Apr 24 with 1181 views | NedPlimpton |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:07 - Apr 24 by Benters |
Oh I see what you mean,but surely one of them must have thought balls to going in there. |
Well according to some of the survivors they had no idea they were going to go over a weir. It's not like they were getting on their paddleboards in choppy waters! They were being guided by someone they had put their trust in which is pretty standard for a paddleboard tour I would have thought |  | | |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:19 - Apr 24 with 1173 views | Benters |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:14 - Apr 24 by NedPlimpton |
Well according to some of the survivors they had no idea they were going to go over a weir. It's not like they were getting on their paddleboards in choppy waters! They were being guided by someone they had put their trust in which is pretty standard for a paddleboard tour I would have thought |
One of Lady Bs bosses wanted to take his workers on one of these as a sort of team building exercises,a few of them basically said f that,I’m glad they didn’t go looking at that. | |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:22 - Apr 24 with 1173 views | BlueBadger |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:07 - Apr 24 by Benters |
Oh I see what you mean,but surely one of them must have thought balls to going in there. |
If I kill or injure someone because I've made a medication error it's MY fault, not the the fault of the person who's taken a potentially dangerous medication, regardless if they know if it's got nasty side effects or not. [Post edited 24 Apr 9:05]
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:34 - Apr 24 with 1122 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 21:06 - Apr 23 by BanksterDebtSlave |
As stated before I think she will be serving the real sentence until the end of her days. I'm unclear as to what positive purpose the sentence serves. |
Deterrent? |  |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:39 - Apr 24 with 1115 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:07 - Apr 24 by Benters |
Oh I see what you mean,but surely one of them must have thought balls to going in there. |
Same as with other posters, this wasn't simply a case choppy water and bad conditions (for them to say balls to this). The conditions were bad ( probably not noticably from where they got in) but the lethal part was she sent them over a weir they didn't know was there and the current at the time made it impossible for them to turn back. She sent 4 people to their death. |  |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:40 - Apr 24 with 1104 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:39 - Apr 24 by Nutkins_Return |
Same as with other posters, this wasn't simply a case choppy water and bad conditions (for them to say balls to this). The conditions were bad ( probably not noticably from where they got in) but the lethal part was she sent them over a weir they didn't know was there and the current at the time made it impossible for them to turn back. She sent 4 people to their death. |
Quite. Unbelievable OP, and one or two responses as well. Just shocking that anyone could justify this. | |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:45 - Apr 24 with 1084 views | Benters |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 21:05 - Apr 23 by Lord_Lucan |
Well I suppose it depends if one of your loved ones had perished Stevey.
I reckon 5 years would have been about right, seeing that she's a blond milfy. |
She isn’t unlike my neighbour,she is from the valleys and is as hard as nails,you want to hear her in the garden.
It’s not for the faint hearted.Not bad on the eye mind. | |
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| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:55 - Apr 24 with 1070 views | RadioOrwell |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 21:06 - Apr 23 by BanksterDebtSlave |
As stated before I think she will be serving the real sentence until the end of her days. I'm unclear as to what positive purpose the sentence serves. |
Sounds like she showed no remorse and at the start blamed the victims.
'till the end of her days' - that's just poppycock |  | | |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 11:24 - Apr 24 with 979 views | Ryorry |
| Is prison really appropriate here and if so why? on 08:40 - Apr 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Quite. Unbelievable OP, and one or two responses as well. Just shocking that anyone could justify this. |
I wonder whether if Lloyd been described as a con artist who gambled with people’s lives (which is basically what she is and did), she might be viewed differently.
She could have cancelled the event and offered people a refund on the day if conditions were difficult, but her greed was bigger than her value of people’s lives. | |
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