| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 14:15 - Apr 24 with 1995 views | hoppy |
If my Auntie had balls... |  |
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| She'd still use the women's toilets? (n/t) on 14:18 - Apr 24 with 1971 views | Bloots |
| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 14:15 - Apr 24 by hoppy |
If my Auntie had balls... |
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| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 14:19 - Apr 24 with 1951 views | textbackup |
Damn that 90min rule |  |
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| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 14:38 - Apr 24 with 1901 views | TrumptonBlue |
Indeed not, as we probably wouldn't have been promoted. |  | | |
| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 15:35 - Apr 24 with 1769 views | positivity |
not very surprising that teams with much deeper pockets and much bigger wage bills have much better squads and much better subs! we need a cash out option... |  |
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| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 16:57 - Apr 24 with 1647 views | Kievthegreat |
For every option from 15, 30, 45, HT, 60, 75 we'd be out the relegation zone. It's just minutes 75-90+ which have killed us.
Goes to show the difference a higher quality bench makes. [Post edited 24 Apr 16:57]
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| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 18:29 - Apr 24 with 1528 views | BlueBadger |
| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 16:57 - Apr 24 by Kievthegreat |
For every option from 15, 30, 45, HT, 60, 75 we'd be out the relegation zone. It's just minutes 75-90+ which have killed us.
Goes to show the difference a higher quality bench makes. [Post edited 24 Apr 16:57]
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Premier League teams have done to us this season what we did to an awful lot of teams the past two season. |  |
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| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 18:38 - Apr 24 with 1517 views | portmanking |
| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 16:57 - Apr 24 by Kievthegreat |
For every option from 15, 30, 45, HT, 60, 75 we'd be out the relegation zone. It's just minutes 75-90+ which have killed us.
Goes to show the difference a higher quality bench makes. [Post edited 24 Apr 16:57]
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Although many previous posters have flippantly gone down the "if my aunty had balls" line, these stats really do show how competitive we've been in many games.
It also goes to show A) how unlucky we've been with injuries and B) how much we lack depth at PL level. Hopefully, if we can yo-yo back up, we can focus on quality over quantity next time. | | | |
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| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 19:12 - Apr 24 with 1459 views | NthQldITFC |
| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 18:38 - Apr 24 by portmanking |
Although many previous posters have flippantly gone down the "if my aunty had balls" line, these stats really do show how competitive we've been in many games.
It also goes to show A) how unlucky we've been with injuries and B) how much we lack depth at PL level. Hopefully, if we can yo-yo back up, we can focus on quality over quantity next time. |
Very true, however fashionable it is to have a good old moan and bitch and pooh-pooh data which illustrates realities. |  |
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| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 19:17 - Apr 24 with 1449 views | Stenvict |
| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 16:57 - Apr 24 by Kievthegreat |
For every option from 15, 30, 45, HT, 60, 75 we'd be out the relegation zone. It's just minutes 75-90+ which have killed us.
Goes to show the difference a higher quality bench makes. [Post edited 24 Apr 16:57]
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They bring on their PL standard subs between 75-90+, get the equaliser and/or winner, then manage the game by slowing it down by winning cheap free kicks, or just knocking the ball around.
Our naivety hasn't helped either. | |
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| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 19:30 - Apr 24 with 1400 views | HighgateBlue |
| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 19:17 - Apr 24 by Stenvict |
They bring on their PL standard subs between 75-90+, get the equaliser and/or winner, then manage the game by slowing it down by winning cheap free kicks, or just knocking the ball around.
Our naivety hasn't helped either. |
I think there may be a number of factors.
One is likely to be the quality of other teams' subs.
Others I suppose might be:
1- smallish squad
2- unlucky with injuries
3- the starters putting in a helluva lot of effort for their team and their gaffer, and hence getting tired
4- later use of our own subs (when compared with last year, and maybe when compared with other teams?)
5- less frequent use of our own subs (when compared with last year, and maybe when compared with other teams?)
I don't have data to back up any of that, so I can't even say that factor X has even occurred, let alone that it had an impact.
As for proposed point number 3, I do think the players deserve credit for giving it their all, and Kieran deserves credit for inspiring them to. But conversely, our use of subs has been frustrating (factors 4 and 5). But then, if Kieran has little confidence in them because they are not high enough quality, then that brings us back to your first suggestion- quality of subs.
Personally I'm not certain the disparity in sub quality is the biggest factor in this. Most of us would (if being objective) concede that our first 11 is substantially worse than most Premier League first 11s. But that difference in quality is not enough (seemingly) to send us down on its own, based on this 75 mins stat. Yes, other teams have better subs, but they have better starters too. I'm not sure we can say that we have genuinely noticed that the difference between our subs and other teams' subs has been bigger than the difference in first 11s. It's scary to see City and Liverpool bringing on their subs, but (a) their first 11 is scarier, and (b) we weren't likely to take many points in those games anyway.
I'd love to have a few more stats on this. I wonder, in games in which we've played, how many subs we've used, and how many our opponents have. And then, separately, how many minutes our subs and our opponents' subs have been on the pitch for. If it's roughly equal, fair enough, but I don't think we've utilised subs as much or as well as others. |  | | |
| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 19:33 - Apr 24 with 1397 views | Swansea_Blue |
It doesn’t make much better reading. Is it particularly reassuring to know that for about 75% of the time we’re just about good enough to be the fourth worst team. Just.
We’ve been well beat far too often and fully deserve relegation unfortunately. I think the biggest disappointment is our growth in the league plateauing far too soon. I was hoping we’d keep getting better and better. That’s not happened. Sure, there are mitigating circumstances with injuries, but it all feels a bit flat.
Oh well. Onwards and upwards and all that. I’m hoping Cardiff stay up do at least I’ve got three matches within 3 hours. |  |
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| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 22:19 - Apr 24 with 1224 views | bournemouthblue |
And we wouldn't have promoted last season |  |
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| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 07:27 - Apr 25 with 1025 views | Battersea_Blue |
Just ran that table at 45 minutes, we'd be 15th and Arsenal would be champions . . | | | |
| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 08:25 - Apr 25 with 945 views | Pinewoodblue |
| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 19:33 - Apr 24 by Swansea_Blue |
It doesn’t make much better reading. Is it particularly reassuring to know that for about 75% of the time we’re just about good enough to be the fourth worst team. Just.
We’ve been well beat far too often and fully deserve relegation unfortunately. I think the biggest disappointment is our growth in the league plateauing far too soon. I was hoping we’d keep getting better and better. That’s not happened. Sure, there are mitigating circumstances with injuries, but it all feels a bit flat.
Oh well. Onwards and upwards and all that. I’m hoping Cardiff stay up do at least I’ve got three matches within 3 hours. |
We set out last season to give it our best shot although,if truth be known, not expecting to get promoted at the first time of asking.
We did the same this season but with objective being to survive rather than storm up the table. Survival this year would give us a chance to strengthen next and look to establish ourselves in the top flight. Fourth from bottom, this season would be a win.
The biggest difference, as I see it, is how as a whole we lack the physical strength or our opponents. That has shown more in those last 15 plus minutes.
Our long term injuries plus shortcoming in our own supply chain have been our undoing.
We can’t do much about injuries but we do need to take urgent steps to ensure we have youngsters ready to step up. I every other Premier League team seems to have. Players under 21 physically ready to grab their chance. |  |
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| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 09:47 - Apr 25 with 874 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 08:25 - Apr 25 by Pinewoodblue |
We set out last season to give it our best shot although,if truth be known, not expecting to get promoted at the first time of asking.
We did the same this season but with objective being to survive rather than storm up the table. Survival this year would give us a chance to strengthen next and look to establish ourselves in the top flight. Fourth from bottom, this season would be a win.
The biggest difference, as I see it, is how as a whole we lack the physical strength or our opponents. That has shown more in those last 15 plus minutes.
Our long term injuries plus shortcoming in our own supply chain have been our undoing.
We can’t do much about injuries but we do need to take urgent steps to ensure we have youngsters ready to step up. I every other Premier League team seems to have. Players under 21 physically ready to grab their chance. |
That’s fair enough. Survival at any cost would have been massive in terms of that extra year to strengthen the squad. Chopping 15-20 minutes off matches probably isn’t a likely option! Given shorter games there’s also a chance other clubs would have pushed players harder anyway, knowing they could bring on half a new team at half time. We’d never be able to keep up as long as our bench is considerably weaker unfortunately. | |
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| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 10:00 - Apr 25 with 846 views | Pinewoodblue |
| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 09:47 - Apr 25 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s fair enough. Survival at any cost would have been massive in terms of that extra year to strengthen the squad. Chopping 15-20 minutes off matches probably isn’t a likely option! Given shorter games there’s also a chance other clubs would have pushed players harder anyway, knowing they could bring on half a new team at half time. We’d never be able to keep up as long as our bench is considerably weaker unfortunately. |
I’m sure though that a massive majority of Premier League fans would in 7th heaven at the thought of Man Utd being relegated instead of Ipswich. | |
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| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 13:10 - Apr 25 with 676 views | Trequartista |
It's a very interesting stat, to be actually clear of relegation rather than 15 points adrift is a huge difference. Obviously it means nothing in terms of where we should be as games are 90 minutes plus and that's that, but it tells us everything about the lack of options on the bench (mostly through injuries) - the opposite to last season.
I wonder if McKenna will reflect on his strategy of running his attacking players into the ground for 75 minutes and then subbing them when injury has deprived us of more quality bench options. I wonder how many times Delap has been substituted having put us in a good position and then watching helplessly from the sidelines as we crumble. [Post edited 25 Apr 13:12]
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| If the final whistle was after 75 minutes on 19:18 - Apr 25 with 520 views | DistantBlue |
If games only ran from 31 until 45 minutes we'd be twelfth......it would seem that people sneaking off early for a pie have missed the best bit this year. |  | | |
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