| Liam Delap 16:58 - Apr 24 with 7961 views | _clive_baker_ |
Ole Ole.
I've resigned myself to losing him in the summer and still think that's most likely, but are we sure this £30m clause is legit?. Ashton said we're 'very very very well protected' (3 x very's no less) with regards to his contract. I'm not sure £30m would meet that definition.
McKenna has said twice now in recent pressers that's its possible Delap stays here. I guess its possible the clause exists and he still decides to stay, and I wouldn't necessarily expect him to come out and say he's off, but we seem to be taking the £30m figure as gospel from the media when as far as I know nobody has officially confirmed it? |  | | |  |
| Liam Delap on 11:22 - Apr 25 with 1640 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Liam Delap on 11:11 - Apr 25 by itfcjoe |
Whilst that would have been my view yesterday morning, the chances have risen since that point with the comments from McKenna and Ornstein.
It still feels hugely unlikely, but that is a step in the right direction from impossible! |
If we are actually trying to keep him, it suggests to me (as mentioned by a couple of others on here) that we aren't in a position where we HAVE to sell this summer from a financial perspective. Which certainly bodes well when it comes to other players. |  | | |
| Liam Delap on 11:27 - Apr 25 with 1623 views | Reuser_is_God |
There is absolutely no way he stays here.
Not with a World Cup at the end of next season. |  |
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| Liam Delap on 11:40 - Apr 25 with 1577 views | textbackup |
| Liam Delap on 07:54 - Apr 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's a lot of big ifs... if any of them buy him and if he were to get those goals (and persumably, therefore, if he develops as well with these clubs as with us, and if he starts regularly). I'm dealing in what we know rather than ifs. But yes I still agree we'd have done something truly incredible to keep him. |
Excuse my stupidity, but how is that a lot of big ‘ifs’?
He’s at Ipswich, a club going down, that don’t create too many chances, and he has 12/13 goals.
If he joins a mid table team that create many chances he will likely better his goal tally this season. |  |
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| Liam Delap on 11:48 - Apr 25 with 1544 views | portmanking |
| Liam Delap on 11:22 - Apr 25 by tractorboy1978 |
If we are actually trying to keep him, it suggests to me (as mentioned by a couple of others on here) that we aren't in a position where we HAVE to sell this summer from a financial perspective. Which certainly bodes well when it comes to other players. |
I've said all along I've been told we won't *need* to sell anyone for the first two windows post-relegation. | | | |
| Liam Delap on 12:36 - Apr 25 with 1464 views | N2_Blue |
| Liam Delap on 11:11 - Apr 25 by itfcjoe |
Whilst that would have been my view yesterday morning, the chances have risen since that point with the comments from McKenna and Ornstein.
It still feels hugely unlikely, but that is a step in the right direction from impossible! |
I really don't think they've said anything that makes any difference.
Mckenna is just saying what any manager would say in this situation. Delap is our player and contracted to us so there s the option for him to be our player next season. It's just not an option he is going to take though.
Journalists can say all maor of things and it probably just reflects what Mckenna said. He is our player currently and playing for ITFC iof course s an option for Liam next season. It's just not one he is going to take based on pretty much every variable - career, ambition, money.
Its a short playing career. He's not going to bumble around the Champ for another season when he has proven he can cut the PL and pretty much any club would want his services, especially at the likely cost. |  |
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| Liam Delap on 12:38 - Apr 25 with 1448 views | Mullet |
| Liam Delap on 11:48 - Apr 25 by portmanking |
I've said all along I've been told we won't *need* to sell anyone for the first two windows post-relegation. |
What about the relegation clauses though? They mean we do have to sell if conditions are met surely |  |
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| Liam Delap on 12:56 - Apr 25 with 1396 views | portmanking |
| Liam Delap on 12:38 - Apr 25 by Mullet |
What about the relegation clauses though? They mean we do have to sell if conditions are met surely |
Well, yes. I mean that we aren't under any serious PSR pressure to do so for the next two windows. | | | |
| Liam Delap on 13:09 - Apr 25 with 1354 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Liam Delap on 12:38 - Apr 25 by Mullet |
What about the relegation clauses though? They mean we do have to sell if conditions are met surely |
He's made 29 starts and we've stopped starting him. I'm trying to convince myself the clause only kicks in if he's made at least 30 starting appearances and this is all puppet-mastering. | | | |
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| Liam Delap on 13:15 - Apr 25 with 1339 views | ernie |
| Liam Delap on 09:48 - Apr 25 by PhilTWTD |
Was trying to remember whether he or Kieron got calls prior to their caps, and they may have done. |
They did | | | |
| Liam Delap on 13:24 - Apr 25 with 1304 views | Horsham |
| Liam Delap on 12:56 - Apr 25 by portmanking |
Well, yes. I mean that we aren't under any serious PSR pressure to do so for the next two windows. |
I suspect this season we actually have considerable PSR headroom - prob PSR profit plus allowed losses of just over £30m, next season we’ll likely run a PSR loss but be ok because of this season and the season after if we don’t make it we’ll probably be flying close to the wind but ok without the need to sell. Think a third season in the championship without parachute payments would be crunch time with the rolling 3 year accounting process. We’d want to take measures to avoid a fire sale in a couple of years time so wouldn’t be at all surprised if we don’t mind some big money coming in the next couple of windows though:
*all of the above was worked out on a packets of fags and even if correct still depends on the continued investment of the own owners. |  | | |
| Liam Delap on 14:03 - Apr 25 with 1208 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Liam Delap on 11:40 - Apr 25 by textbackup |
Excuse my stupidity, but how is that a lot of big ‘ifs’?
He’s at Ipswich, a club going down, that don’t create too many chances, and he has 12/13 goals.
If he joins a mid table team that create many chances he will likely better his goal tally this season. |
You have to be playing to get those chances.
Which will be harder if he joins Man U or Chelsea as I can't see either putting all their eggs in the Liam Delap basket.
It's not quite as simple as 'he joins a higher club/he scores more goals'. |  |
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| Liam Delap on 14:12 - Apr 25 with 1189 views | N2_Blue |
| Liam Delap on 14:03 - Apr 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You have to be playing to get those chances.
Which will be harder if he joins Man U or Chelsea as I can't see either putting all their eggs in the Liam Delap basket.
It's not quite as simple as 'he joins a higher club/he scores more goals'. |
I think you'll be surprised.
I think some people understimate how good he's going to be (and already is to some extent) Yes he's still a bit raw at some parts of his game, yes he can be a bit selfish, (understandable in a poor perfoming teams and the best strikers generally are) but i don't think there is a club in the PL that wouldn't be interested. Minutes will always be a challenege whoever you are. Fact of life. Look at Watkins recently. But you have to back yourself, and Delap will | |
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| Liam Delap on 14:18 - Apr 25 with 1178 views | Herbivore |
| Liam Delap on 14:03 - Apr 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You have to be playing to get those chances.
Which will be harder if he joins Man U or Chelsea as I can't see either putting all their eggs in the Liam Delap basket.
It's not quite as simple as 'he joins a higher club/he scores more goals'. |
They put all of their eggs in the Rasmus Hojlund and Nicolas Jackson baskets previously and I don't think either of them are as good as Delap. He's got all the attributes to be a top player and he's had a very good first season in the Prem, I see no reason why he wouldn't play regularly for United or Chelsea. |  |
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| Liam Delap on 14:33 - Apr 25 with 1152 views | ringwoodblue |
He won’t be staying with Town but whomever Liam joins next season will have a very good player and potentially a future England forward. I just can’t help thinking that we have been stitched up if he can leave for £30m as he is arguably worth double that.
Think he should join a team like Forest, Newcastle or Wolves with good managers rather than joke teams like Man U, Chelsea and Spurs. |  |
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| Liam Delap on 14:40 - Apr 25 with 1136 views | textbackup |
| Liam Delap on 14:03 - Apr 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You have to be playing to get those chances.
Which will be harder if he joins Man U or Chelsea as I can't see either putting all their eggs in the Liam Delap basket.
It's not quite as simple as 'he joins a higher club/he scores more goals'. |
He will play, and become a main stay if either of those teams. | |
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| Liam Delap on 16:09 - Apr 25 with 1048 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Liam Delap on 14:12 - Apr 25 by N2_Blue |
I think you'll be surprised.
I think some people understimate how good he's going to be (and already is to some extent) Yes he's still a bit raw at some parts of his game, yes he can be a bit selfish, (understandable in a poor perfoming teams and the best strikers generally are) but i don't think there is a club in the PL that wouldn't be interested. Minutes will always be a challenege whoever you are. Fact of life. Look at Watkins recently. But you have to back yourself, and Delap will |
Oh I won't be surprised. As said earlier, I'm playing Devil's Advocate/clutching at any straw I can find. | |
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| Liam Delap on 16:19 - Apr 25 with 1037 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Liam Delap on 14:18 - Apr 25 by Herbivore |
They put all of their eggs in the Rasmus Hojlund and Nicolas Jackson baskets previously and I don't think either of them are as good as Delap. He's got all the attributes to be a top player and he's had a very good first season in the Prem, I see no reason why he wouldn't play regularly for United or Chelsea. |
If I were them, with all their money, I'd get someone more ready/proven (probably from abroad) as well as Delap. At £30m, that's a reasonable price (at their level) for a back-up/developing player.
As you say, it's his first season. Bit risky, for me, to put everything on such a young/raw/inexperienced striker.
Rasmus Højlund has 3 goals in 28 games this season, so that particular experiment hasn't really worked as yet.
Nicolas Jackson is 9 in 27, so not bad but not pulling up any trees either. Delap is only just 22, Jackson is almost 24. | |
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| Liam Delap on 17:02 - Apr 25 with 986 views | Herbivore |
| Liam Delap on 16:19 - Apr 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
If I were them, with all their money, I'd get someone more ready/proven (probably from abroad) as well as Delap. At £30m, that's a reasonable price (at their level) for a back-up/developing player.
As you say, it's his first season. Bit risky, for me, to put everything on such a young/raw/inexperienced striker.
Rasmus Højlund has 3 goals in 28 games this season, so that particular experiment hasn't really worked as yet.
Nicolas Jackson is 9 in 27, so not bad but not pulling up any trees either. Delap is only just 22, Jackson is almost 24. |
I don't think either of them has enough money to sign an established striker - for which you're looking at £80m plus - in addition to Delap. If he goes there it'll be to replace Hojlund or Jackson as the main starting striker. He's shown enough for us this season for it to not be a huge gamble for them. | |
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| Liam Delap on 17:24 - Apr 25 with 944 views | tpsontour |
| Liam Delap on 17:02 - Apr 25 by Herbivore |
I don't think either of them has enough money to sign an established striker - for which you're looking at £80m plus - in addition to Delap. If he goes there it'll be to replace Hojlund or Jackson as the main starting striker. He's shown enough for us this season for it to not be a huge gamble for them. |
The Mail's sportswriters say this today without explaining the 'other fees' and who they go to - us, his agent, him?!
"Delap is United’s No.1 target but there are still obstacles to signing the England Under 21 striker despite his price dropping to £30m once Ipswich’s relegation is confirmed. United face fierce competition and there are other fees connected with the deal that could push the figure higher." |  | | |
| Liam Delap on 17:26 - Apr 25 with 934 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Liam Delap on 17:02 - Apr 25 by Herbivore |
I don't think either of them has enough money to sign an established striker - for which you're looking at £80m plus - in addition to Delap. If he goes there it'll be to replace Hojlund or Jackson as the main starting striker. He's shown enough for us this season for it to not be a huge gamble for them. |
Blimey, really? ITFC can spaff £130m after just one season in the Prem and Man U/Chelsea can't spend £100m after years in the Prem (and as much bigger clubs anyway)? Bearing in mind if they're replacing Hojlund/Jackson then the fees for them will come off that outlay. If I were either the Man U or Chelsea manager I'd be a bit miffed if all I could afford was a cut-price Delap. | |
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| Liam Delap on 17:50 - Apr 25 with 889 views | FromReuserWithLove |
He follows Kieran to Spurs obviously. |  | | |
| Liam Delap on 17:56 - Apr 25 with 868 views | Herbivore |
| Liam Delap on 17:26 - Apr 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Blimey, really? ITFC can spaff £130m after just one season in the Prem and Man U/Chelsea can't spend £100m after years in the Prem (and as much bigger clubs anyway)? Bearing in mind if they're replacing Hojlund/Jackson then the fees for them will come off that outlay. If I were either the Man U or Chelsea manager I'd be a bit miffed if all I could afford was a cut-price Delap. |
They're both sailing fairly close to the wind when it comes to PSR. And I doubt anyone is likely to take Hojlund off United's hands for any kind of fee, same for Jackson as well. If they sign Delap, they are unlikely to spend big on another striker. | |
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| Liam Delap on 18:04 - Apr 25 with 837 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Liam Delap on 17:24 - Apr 25 by tpsontour |
The Mail's sportswriters say this today without explaining the 'other fees' and who they go to - us, his agent, him?!
"Delap is United’s No.1 target but there are still obstacles to signing the England Under 21 striker despite his price dropping to £30m once Ipswich’s relegation is confirmed. United face fierce competition and there are other fees connected with the deal that could push the figure higher." |
‘other fees connected with the deal that could push the figure higher’.
Interesting. Wonder if it’s anything we would stand to gain from or more fees associated with the player / agent. Was really my question in starting this thread tbh, we seem to be taking the £30m at face value but it sounds at odds with the noises coming from KM and MA. If it’s a straight £30m we’re not particularly ‘well protected’ IMO, and the chances of him staying I would make about 1% as he’ll have his pick at that price. | | | |
| Liam Delap on 09:10 - Apr 26 with 516 views | hunters_headers |
| Liam Delap on 17:24 - Apr 25 by tpsontour |
The Mail's sportswriters say this today without explaining the 'other fees' and who they go to - us, his agent, him?!
"Delap is United’s No.1 target but there are still obstacles to signing the England Under 21 striker despite his price dropping to £30m once Ipswich’s relegation is confirmed. United face fierce competition and there are other fees connected with the deal that could push the figure higher." |
I think this will be a difficult deal for potential suitors to do, I would have thought the release clause would have to be paid in full to unlock the deal, then I would like to think that figure could rise significantly if there was additional clauses inserted, like a certain amount of appearances were met , sell on percentage & England caps etc…. It may look like Ashton has had his pants pulled down, but he’s no fool. | | | |
| Liam Delap on 10:10 - Apr 26 with 448 views | ReusersTown |
| Liam Delap on 09:10 - Apr 26 by hunters_headers |
I think this will be a difficult deal for potential suitors to do, I would have thought the release clause would have to be paid in full to unlock the deal, then I would like to think that figure could rise significantly if there was additional clauses inserted, like a certain amount of appearances were met , sell on percentage & England caps etc…. It may look like Ashton has had his pants pulled down, but he’s no fool. |
I wonder if it's possible for us to insert a £30 mill England cap clause etc... I have no idea how these sort of things work when there is a buyout involved. Would be a positive loophole for once. Probably all stipulated in the original contract tbf. | | | |
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