| Muric - Persevere or Not 12:26 - May 5 with 5470 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
I don't want to start another Muric bashing thread, but I'm curious as to whether we think the club will persevere with him a while longer.
Personally I think we might, for a few reasons:
--he clearly has a high ceiling if we can resolve the concentration issue
--he's currently injured, so don't know if another club would sign him this summer
--I'm not sure if interested clubs in Europe would be able to afford his wages
Having said all that, I guess a loan with an option to buy may suit all parties. Surely he has way too much potential to have his contract mutually terminated. |  | | |  |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 23:03 - May 5 with 864 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 22:55 - May 5 by SouperJim |
Muric has the potential to be the best keeper at the club, but Palmer has been far more consistent. I don't buy the argument that we picked up more points with Muric in goal therefore he's the better keeper, we did that in spite of the points he cost us as we were playing much better as a team. Palmer has outperformed Muric. Despite his potential, I don't think we can risk persevering with Muric as No1. If we can't shift him, make him 3rd choice and wait a year, see if that makes him more amenable to a move or mutual termination. If we go straight back up we should then be looking for someone a cut above both of them anyway. |
This is quite frankly the worse possible option imo. We don’t want to be re-entering the PL with another change of ‘keeper. We need to establish a solid ‘keeper during our time in the Championship. | | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 07:30 - May 6 with 746 views | BlueBoots |
Goalkeeping department next season...
A) Sign a promising U21 keeper, who won't take a space in the 25-man squad.
B) Find a (long overdue) season loan for Slicker.
C) Sell Walton...year left on his contract, one of our League One heroes, but deserves to be playing more regularly than he has the past couple of seasons.
D) Keep Palmer and Muric |  |
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| Muric - Persevere or Not on 07:47 - May 6 with 725 views | itfcsuth |
Sell and recoup some money.
Pretty simple one that.
Palmer, Walton, Slicker good enough GK group for Championship. |  | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 07:50 - May 6 with 723 views | SouperJim |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 23:03 - May 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
This is quite frankly the worse possible option imo. We don’t want to be re-entering the PL with another change of ‘keeper. We need to establish a solid ‘keeper during our time in the Championship. |
While I don't disagree, for me we don't have a PL standard goalkeeper at the club and I doubt we're going to attract one in the championship. |  |
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| Muric - Persevere or Not on 07:55 - May 6 with 718 views | DJR |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 21:23 - May 5 by ReusersTown |
Absolutely absurd post. |
You do realise that I learnt my craft at the Theatre of the Absurd. [Post edited 6 May 7:56]
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| Muric - Persevere or Not on 09:00 - May 6 with 659 views | Churchman |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 07:50 - May 6 by SouperJim |
While I don't disagree, for me we don't have a PL standard goalkeeper at the club and I doubt we're going to attract one in the championship. |
I just don’t think it’s a priority. Our keepers are ok. Part of the problem with them this season is the amount of pressure they’ve been under. With a midfield that disappears between minute one (45 seconds v Newcastle at home) and constant rotation of defenders, the team in front just hasn’t been good enough.
Ramsdale cost Saints double our three put together. Fat lot of use it did them. I suppose he might have saved them a point or two which might stop them ‘improving’ Derby’s record of shame, but I doubt they’ll be breaking out the open topped bus any time soon for that. It wasn’t Ramsdale’s fault he had a load of garbage in front of him.
To an extent the same applies to us. If you only have 25% possession at home, for example, most of it in your half, it means the keeper is in constant action or concentrating on the next attack developing for the best part of 100 minutes. That’s a heck of a lot of pressure and mistakes; errors are bound to occur, both him and the defenders at some point.
I still maintain our keepers are not the priority. Midfield is, along with the inevitable need to replace Delap. One of the goalies needs to move on or be loaned. My guess it’ll be Walton. |  | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 09:29 - May 6 with 637 views | monty_radio |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 07:55 - May 6 by DJR |
You do realise that I learnt my craft at the Theatre of the Absurd. [Post edited 6 May 7:56]
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| Muric - Persevere or Not on 09:46 - May 6 with 625 views | Juggsy |
He is a solid shot stopper and a strong presence in the box for sure. He is however, erratic as hell and communication lets him down massively. If he can improve on those he would be a fantastic keeper. As it stands the defence never seem to trust him. |  | | |
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| Muric - Persevere or Not on 10:11 - May 6 with 611 views | baxterbasics |
I have nothing new to add but will summarise the points already made which I agree with:
Muric and Palmer between them are plenty good enough for the Championship should we keep both - leaving at least one of Walts or Slicker free to move on.
Muric won't be put under the same levels of pressure at this level and that should see him commit fewer of those brain fart moments. (and the fact that he had those aren't just down to him - our defence this year has questions to answer too).
If we can get money for Muric and he wants to go, fine take it - but the cost might be too high for interested buyers. I won't mind seeing him and Palmer contending for the spot in 25/26. |  |
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| Muric - Persevere or Not on 10:22 - May 6 with 601 views | VanDusen |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 13:02 - May 5 by leftback |
He’s not as bad as everyone makes out and probably the best goalkeeper at the club, interesting stat on MOTD said Ipswich have the 3rd worst record conceding from set pieces , however that made me think we only conceded one or two from corners when Muric was between the sticks, no coincidence we have looked much more vulnerable from set pieces since he’s been out of the team |
Frankly tho - it's not all about technique and skill. He has consistently displayed a "couldn't care less" attitude on the pitch which is backed up by the fact that noticeably none of the other players seem to have any sort of warmth and rapport with him - indeed he's always off on his own. Couple that with the record of being sent home from the Kosovo squad and I think he's a mercenary liability regardless of any potential at a club whose success has been built on ethos and hard work.
I must say for a regime which says it apparently bases recruitment on character as much as footballing ability, there's been some big cock ups with first Williams and then Muric. I'm also unconvinced anyone who slaps "Jayden" on his shirt rather than his surname, despite no notable history of success as yet, is the sort of 'team player' that a team like ours needs... | | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 10:48 - May 6 with 580 views | ITFC_Jenx |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 10:22 - May 6 by VanDusen |
Frankly tho - it's not all about technique and skill. He has consistently displayed a "couldn't care less" attitude on the pitch which is backed up by the fact that noticeably none of the other players seem to have any sort of warmth and rapport with him - indeed he's always off on his own. Couple that with the record of being sent home from the Kosovo squad and I think he's a mercenary liability regardless of any potential at a club whose success has been built on ethos and hard work.
I must say for a regime which says it apparently bases recruitment on character as much as footballing ability, there's been some big cock ups with first Williams and then Muric. I'm also unconvinced anyone who slaps "Jayden" on his shirt rather than his surname, despite no notable history of success as yet, is the sort of 'team player' that a team like ours needs... |
It's Jaden on the back of the shirt for two possible reasons:
1. Philogene-Bidace (his actual surname) would be too long.
2. A difficult family history that means he doesn't really want to use the surname, same as Dele Alli.
I think you're overstating things here to suggest that Jaden on the back of his shirt means he's not a team player or is only allowed when players have achieved something. |  | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 12:31 - May 6 with 509 views | Wright1 |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 12:34 - May 5 by Nutkins_Return |
This is genuinely how I see it. He's a better version of Hladky. A much better goalkeeper for me who has good ball playing skills. He has mad lapses in concentration sometimes like Vaz but in a dominate team this wouldn't nearly be such a problem as when we are constantly under pressure in the Prem. He's a young keeper really and will only get better. He has the attributes to top class if he can get the right balance and understanding on when not to play the super high risk ball etc. Him and Palmer would be great one and two.
If McKenna wants to go back to the same style as when we went up in the champ then Muric probably stays. |
Is concentration not generally considered more important in dominant teams when you aren't called in to action for large parts of the game?
Perhaps it will hide his poor decision making because he will be asked to make fewer decisions though? | | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 13:48 - May 6 with 457 views | Facefacts |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 10:22 - May 6 by VanDusen |
Frankly tho - it's not all about technique and skill. He has consistently displayed a "couldn't care less" attitude on the pitch which is backed up by the fact that noticeably none of the other players seem to have any sort of warmth and rapport with him - indeed he's always off on his own. Couple that with the record of being sent home from the Kosovo squad and I think he's a mercenary liability regardless of any potential at a club whose success has been built on ethos and hard work.
I must say for a regime which says it apparently bases recruitment on character as much as footballing ability, there's been some big cock ups with first Williams and then Muric. I'm also unconvinced anyone who slaps "Jayden" on his shirt rather than his surname, despite no notable history of success as yet, is the sort of 'team player' that a team like ours needs... |
Brilliant post. Muric doesn't have the strength of character to be a successful long term ITFC player under the current management. We did not know how to deal with Hladky's agent - this is what I meant earlier by 'mishandled'. Club should, but won't, admit we were wrong to offer him a League One level extension to his contract in January when he was playing superbly - at least we should have given him what his agent wanted. Played every game last season and was a strong contender for player of the season. Yes I know he let in a crucial goal in the away derby. I'm not claiming I said it, but someone else on this site said during last season that 'Hladky is integral to the way we play' - which was a great point. No Hladky this season, only one home win. I also agree that Hladky is probably not the answer for the Premier League, he can't reach any of the swerving and dipping shots that go in the corner of the net, but we are still trying to find a way to play in the Premier League, especially at home. Hladky would be chipping the ball out accurately to beat the press, help to get us back up to the Premier League, and then we'd need to go and get another top class keeper. But anyone who claims Muric is good on the ball, having seen Hladky, well, that is unbelievable. |  | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 13:51 - May 6 with 454 views | blueasfook |
I think it's more a case if he wants to stay with us. I get the impression he's pretty much divorced himself with the club and spends a lot of time in Switzerland. He's probably not happy with being dropped when Palmer was brought in. I think he (and probably the club) will be happily parting company in the summer. |  |
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| Personally I'd keep him.... on 14:01 - May 6 with 438 views | CobboldCrusty |
| Personally I'd keep him.... on 19:45 - May 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
How the crowd might receive Muric is crucial, should he play for us again. I'm not so sure it's the 'collective' that have given up on Muric, rather a (very) vocal minority - but this can lead to rising dissatisfaction being voiced during a game due to pack-mentality.
This forum is probably a good reflection of the wider fanbase. A few who are extreme, and don't want Muric to darken our doors ever again. A few who are unswervingly in favour of him being our number 1. Then the majority who are of the opinion that he has a lot of promise, and with coaching could maybe provide our long term, PL 'keeper solution.
Muric is also the most natural with the preferred high risk tactics of playing out from the back, and inviting the press. Palmer and Walton are not comfortable with this approach, and tend to avoid it mostly. We have a section of fans who dislike the tactics, and therefore make their views abundantly clear when Muric plays this way (despite it probably being how he’s been instructed to play). It’s probably just another stick to beat Muric with, but I expect to see an increasing return to this style of play next season whoever is between the posts, and if it’s Muric the same fans will immediately be on his back. |
Whilst I agree with this, my gripe with Muric, beyond the easy saves he has failed to make at points, is that he has an odd way of addressing the ball before distributing to the defence.
The 'pausa' became fashionable a couple of years ago and we saw Brighton defenders and Woolfenden rolling the ball with their foot out in front of them. The advantage of this is the ball is in a neutral position and can be distributed either way with either foot - difficult for the pressing team to close down effectively.
Muric I have noticed at points pauses on the ball whilst leaving it on one foot. So he is giving the presser an opportunity to attack the ball whilst also making it obvious the direction he will distribute the ball in. This enables the other pressers to close down their man and suddenly we are under severe pressure and in a situation where we cannot deploy our usual inviting of the press and playing through it manoeuvre.
Basically I think work is needed on the training ground to get Muric thinking about sequences of play and how his holding of the ball effects the game in front of him. Admittedly, the Championship will be far less brutal in this respect. |  | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 14:57 - May 6 with 378 views | ITFCson |
If he got plenty more game time I think he likely would come good, however I do not see him over taking Palmer in the pecking order anytime soon and he is an expensive back up keeper for Championship level. Although selling him may not be easy so maybe he does stay here and if Palmer gets injured or has huge drop in form who knows. | | | |
| Personally I'd keep him.... on 15:44 - May 6 with 355 views | DJR |
| Personally I'd keep him.... on 14:01 - May 6 by CobboldCrusty |
Whilst I agree with this, my gripe with Muric, beyond the easy saves he has failed to make at points, is that he has an odd way of addressing the ball before distributing to the defence.
The 'pausa' became fashionable a couple of years ago and we saw Brighton defenders and Woolfenden rolling the ball with their foot out in front of them. The advantage of this is the ball is in a neutral position and can be distributed either way with either foot - difficult for the pressing team to close down effectively.
Muric I have noticed at points pauses on the ball whilst leaving it on one foot. So he is giving the presser an opportunity to attack the ball whilst also making it obvious the direction he will distribute the ball in. This enables the other pressers to close down their man and suddenly we are under severe pressure and in a situation where we cannot deploy our usual inviting of the press and playing through it manoeuvre.
Basically I think work is needed on the training ground to get Muric thinking about sequences of play and how his holding of the ball effects the game in front of him. Admittedly, the Championship will be far less brutal in this respect. |
That expresses very well what I thought too. | | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 16:09 - May 6 with 329 views | NthQldITFC |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 12:34 - May 5 by Nutkins_Return |
This is genuinely how I see it. He's a better version of Hladky. A much better goalkeeper for me who has good ball playing skills. He has mad lapses in concentration sometimes like Vaz but in a dominate team this wouldn't nearly be such a problem as when we are constantly under pressure in the Prem. He's a young keeper really and will only get better. He has the attributes to top class if he can get the right balance and understanding on when not to play the super high risk ball etc. Him and Palmer would be great one and two.
If McKenna wants to go back to the same style as when we went up in the champ then Muric probably stays. |
I agree - it's absolutely all about the psychological aspect now:
1. Get him much more communicative and tuned in with his defence.
2. Take the pressure off him in terms of allowing him to hoof it when he needs to. The reduced pressure of the Championship should allow us to do that. |  |
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| Personally I'd keep him.... on 16:42 - May 6 with 303 views | Jon_456 |
| Personally I'd keep him.... on 13:40 - May 5 by Bloots |
....let him and Palmer battle it out next season.
I don't think he was helped earlier in the season with KM's continued desire to play it out from the back, no matter how tight the situation was. We were still playing that short ball into Morsy despite him being unable to deal with the additional pressure applied by far superior opposition than we were used to.
We've reduced the tendancy to do that now, so those types of errors have largely gone, but I think that's more down to a change in playing style than a change in goalkeeper.
I think he's the best shot stopper at the club, and obviously the best at dealing with crosses.
I don't have the stats to hand, but I expect we have conceded far more goals from set pieces since he's not played than we did with him.
But, what do I know obvs. |
Obviously stats don’t tell us everything but a brief overview:
Goals conceded per game:
Muric - 1.83
Palmer - 2.45
Walton - 2.67
Points per game:
Muric - 0.67
Walton - 0.67
Palmer - 0.55
Interestingly we score more goals with Palmer though - Goals scored per game:
Palmer - 1.18
Muric - 0.94
Walton - 0.83
IMO we will go with Palmer & Muric next year. I think Muric has a higher ceiling and we’ll stick with him.
Let’s not forget Hladky looked pretty shaky when he joined in League One yet ended up being one of the first names on the team sheet in the Championship. Goalkeepers do seem to take longer to settle in. | | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 12:26 - May 7 with 111 views | flykickingbybgunn |
Budgies have just released Gunn.
Sell Muric to them. |  | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 12:32 - May 7 with 101 views | baxterbasics |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 12:26 - May 7 by flykickingbybgunn |
Budgies have just released Gunn.
Sell Muric to them. |
Nah, you just know he'd pull off a worldy when we play them, and they will nick a late win or draw with their one (deflected) shot on target. | |
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| Muric - Persevere or Not on 12:33 - May 7 with 103 views | chicoazul |
I say persevere, and there’s a good chance he will start the season as number one. Cost a lot of money and there is a keeper in there. |  |
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| Muric - Persevere or Not on 16:30 - May 7 with 4 views | EuanTown |
In other posts on this I have said that I believe we will look to get in another keeper we have tried for before.
I don't believe muric meets the club criteria on players and he has done himself no favours in or outside the club.
Palmer will stay and Walton will go. Poss slicker out on loan. |  | | |
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