| Delap to Arsenal ? 20:57 - May 7 with 11079 views | Pippin1970 |
Approaching Ipswich representatives to sign, next to experienced striker. Not sure how true. [Post edited 7 May 21:19]
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 10:06 - May 8 with 1867 views | vapour_trail |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:12 - May 8 by gramps |
With all our parachute money why don't we sell him to ourselves for 30 million, no actual outlay of money, give him a big new contract and then sell him on with no release clause? not sure if this is possible or legal with FFP! |
I’m loving this.
We could be the new Chelsea. |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 10:06 - May 8 with 1867 views | Leaky |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:48 - May 8 by OldFart71 |
Surely Delaps price baring City's intervention would depend on how many clubs are interested in him.
Whilst he hasn't perhaps hit the heights of the Chelsea performance lately perhaps a lot of that is because he's been a lone target man and has been isolated because the team has been under pressure most games and unable to get out of defence.
All the more reason we need to strengthen our midfield. |
As you point he's been a lone target man, I think Hirst is better than delap in that roll |  | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 10:08 - May 8 with 1857 views | vapour_trail |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:57 - May 8 by NedPlimpton |
Have you not read any of the rest of this thread?
Delap's price is unfortunately dictated by his release clause, so it doesn't matter how many clubs are interested in him as all they need to do, in order to begin contract negotiations with him, is match his release clause
I really don't understand why people are finding this so hard? Release clauses have been around for decades. It's how Man City were able to get Haaland for just over £50m when he was worth probably double that. Also why Arsenal bid £40m + £1 for Luis Suarez. Albeit he decided to stay |
Liverpool rejected the +£1 Suarez bid. | |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 11:34 - May 8 with 1714 views | MattinLondon |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 10:08 - May 8 by vapour_trail |
Liverpool rejected the +£1 Suarez bid. |
Was it actually a release clause? Thought that if any bids over £40M were made for him, Liverpool had to inform him and open contract discussions again. It wasn’t a release clause as such. |  | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 11:41 - May 8 with 1681 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 10:08 - May 8 by vapour_trail |
Liverpool rejected the +£1 Suarez bid. |
The Suarez / Arsenal incident is an interesting one, because it supports the view that some of us have been articulating.
Liverpool had the release cause phrased in such a way that was ambiguous, and open to different interpretations and allowed them to reject the approach (lawyers can be devious little sh1ts - no disrespect to anyone on the forum). But the exact details of the incident (fiasco?) never entered the public domain. So who knows exactly how it came about.
Delap is likely to move on, but NONE OF US KNOW THE DETAILED WORDING OF THE CONTRACT / CLAUSES, OR ANY INTERDEPENDENCIES and likely never will when he leaves (or not), so this thread (as with the other dozen on the same subject) is all HOT AIR | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 11:44 - May 8 with 1670 views | textbackup |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 07:53 - May 8 by Herbivore |
It depends on how you look at it. If you look very narrowly at the here and now and look at what Delap could be worth then it doesn't look like brilliant business, but that requires a lot of hindsight. If you look at it from the lens of us taking a punt on an unproven player at Prem level for £15m - a fee most of our fans thought was too high for him - with a guarantee we more or less double our money on him if we go down, it doesn't look quite so bad. Especially when you also factor in he had interest from elsewhere so had leverage in negotiating the sell on clause. It's frustrating because he's massively exceeded expectations and we won't get full market value for him, but when you look at the context I don't agree it's the terrible deal lots of people like to paint it as. It is what it is. |
I don’t recall a single post anywhere saying £15m was to much for him. |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 11:53 - May 8 with 1637 views | Herbivore |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 11:44 - May 8 by textbackup |
I don’t recall a single post anywhere saying £15m was to much for him. |
Then you have a terrible memory. |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 11:58 - May 8 with 1614 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 11:53 - May 8 by Herbivore |
Then you have a terrible memory. |
To be fair, many fans on here were saying we wouldn't/shouldn't spend big on any players - some even suggesting that our TOTAL budget last summer would only be 15-20M.
How short memories are, and wrong that were  | | | |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 12:27 - May 8 with 1529 views | ArnieM |
from BBC website ....Arsenal make offer to sign Liam Delap, the Gunners hope to extend William Saliba's contract, and Emiliano Martinez's future at Aston Villa could be in doubt.
Arsenal have made an offer to the representatives of Ipswich's English striker Liam Delap, 22, as they seek to sign a supporting forward alongside a more experienced and proven option. (Football Transfers) |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 12:42 - May 8 with 1492 views | textbackup |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 11:53 - May 8 by Herbivore |
Then you have a terrible memory. |
Yeah, my entire existence is based around posting history on here. | |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 12:43 - May 8 with 1487 views | textbackup |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 11:58 - May 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
To be fair, many fans on here were saying we wouldn't/shouldn't spend big on any players - some even suggesting that our TOTAL budget last summer would only be 15-20M.
How short memories are, and wrong that were |
I admit to being stunned at the Omari signing. I didn’t see us spending those sorts of fees.
But ant say I saw anyone say Delap wasn’t worth £15m | |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 12:52 - May 8 with 1468 views | Rimsy |
I don't know why people are bemoaning the fee. It's not a bad return when you consider how we've done with the other signings. Apart from Delap and Hutchinson, I don't see big profits from many of the others, and quite a few will have gone down in value. |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 12:57 - May 8 with 1446 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 12:43 - May 8 by textbackup |
I admit to being stunned at the Omari signing. I didn’t see us spending those sorts of fees.
But ant say I saw anyone say Delap wasn’t worth £15m |
I don't explicitly recall anyone questioning the fee for Delap, but neither would it surprise me if someone had, given the sentiment from some at the time. | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 12:58 - May 8 with 1442 views | m14_blue |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 12:52 - May 8 by Rimsy |
I don't know why people are bemoaning the fee. It's not a bad return when you consider how we've done with the other signings. Apart from Delap and Hutchinson, I don't see big profits from many of the others, and quite a few will have gone down in value. |
Who do you think will have gone down?
Muric, obviously.
Maybe Clarke and Philogene I guess, but not by much, if at all. | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 13:02 - May 8 with 1425 views | NthQldITFC |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:12 - May 8 by gramps |
With all our parachute money why don't we sell him to ourselves for 30 million, no actual outlay of money, give him a big new contract and then sell him on with no release clause? not sure if this is possible or legal with FFP! |
Now that's the sort of constructive thinking this country as been sorely lacking for the last eighty years, Gramps. I like the cut of your jib.
Lend-lease, my arse! |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 13:07 - May 8 with 1396 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 12:52 - May 8 by Rimsy |
I don't know why people are bemoaning the fee. It's not a bad return when you consider how we've done with the other signings. Apart from Delap and Hutchinson, I don't see big profits from many of the others, and quite a few will have gone down in value. |
I don't expect any of the big fee signings have gone down in value. Szmodics and Muric, maybe down of the middling investments | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 14:58 - May 8 with 1214 views | Blue_Moses |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 23:06 - May 7 by Suffolktractor |
My only query is what if Club 1 come along and offer £30 million and will pay ITFC in 24 months time, then Club 2 come along and offer £30 million and will pay tomorrow.
Do ITFC get any say about where he goes in that situation? |
Regardless of when we get the money it won't be ours, will it? I thought Man City had a 20% sell on clause so once you deduct what we paid for him we are only looking at a small profit. Certainly not enough to replace him given the going rate that was paid last season in the Championship.
At least that's my understanding. | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 15:26 - May 8 with 1163 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 14:58 - May 8 by Blue_Moses |
Regardless of when we get the money it won't be ours, will it? I thought Man City had a 20% sell on clause so once you deduct what we paid for him we are only looking at a small profit. Certainly not enough to replace him given the going rate that was paid last season in the Championship.
At least that's my understanding. |
Presumably we are able to insist that the full amount is paid up front, rejecting all other offers.
Assuming no further payments to Man City have been triggered and the initial figure was £15m we would after paying 20% of profit to Man City have £12m profit plus the initial investment in our coffers. £27m to spend. |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 15:44 - May 8 with 1103 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 14:58 - May 8 by Blue_Moses |
Regardless of when we get the money it won't be ours, will it? I thought Man City had a 20% sell on clause so once you deduct what we paid for him we are only looking at a small profit. Certainly not enough to replace him given the going rate that was paid last season in the Championship.
At least that's my understanding. |
We don't only get the profit as part of the transaction - we get the full amount paid for the player (eventually - read on for the nitty gritty of these types of transaction), and then have to pay City 20% of the profit.
Now, in all likelihood the transfer was done on instalments, so we may have only paid ManC a proportion of the agreed 15M - let's say we've paid 5M so far. So we're only 5M out of pocket. So we would owe ManC the 10M balance plus 20% sell-on fee from the profit.
If we receive a 30M offer, that means we have to hand over 13M to ManC, and retain 17M income (which is our initial 5M outlay back plus 12M profit).
Of course, this is only an example, and it's likely to be even more complicated than that, as whoever buys from us will probably negotiate paying in instalments, so we'll initially receive less in-hand cash, and the remainder over the instalment period - but still the full amount eventually, and anything owed to us on instalments is considered 'Receivables' for accounting, and can be used as security for loans to go against other player purchase. | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 20:04 - May 8 with 895 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:05 - May 7 by Lord_Lucan |
But what if 10 teams bit £30m, why cant the £30m just act as a reserve and it keeps moving north? |
The Bidding will keep going north. Not to us but in Delaps salary. | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 23:25 - May 8 with 757 views | itfctilidie |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 11:41 - May 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
The Suarez / Arsenal incident is an interesting one, because it supports the view that some of us have been articulating.
Liverpool had the release cause phrased in such a way that was ambiguous, and open to different interpretations and allowed them to reject the approach (lawyers can be devious little sh1ts - no disrespect to anyone on the forum). But the exact details of the incident (fiasco?) never entered the public domain. So who knows exactly how it came about.
Delap is likely to move on, but NONE OF US KNOW THE DETAILED WORDING OF THE CONTRACT / CLAUSES, OR ANY INTERDEPENDENCIES and likely never will when he leaves (or not), so this thread (as with the other dozen on the same subject) is all HOT AIR |
Def Info - Ashton has worded it in the contract "All bids of 30m from teams above us in the league must be accepted" - So as Ashton says, we are well protected, can't see any championship teams bidding 30m |  | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 08:43 - May 9 with 589 views | Sparky85 |
The only way we get more than £30m is if a club does not want to pay all of the release clause in one hit. Release clauses are 100% payable in full. They cannot be in instalments. If, for example a club didn’t want to outlay the full £30m in one hit, they could potentially offer more and pay in instalments. | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 08:51 - May 9 with 570 views | NedPlimpton |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 08:43 - May 9 by Sparky85 |
The only way we get more than £30m is if a club does not want to pay all of the release clause in one hit. Release clauses are 100% payable in full. They cannot be in instalments. If, for example a club didn’t want to outlay the full £30m in one hit, they could potentially offer more and pay in instalments. |
If that is true, even in that scenario it would only be dependant on Delap choosing that club over any of the others who have met the release clause |  | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 14:46 - May 9 with 394 views | darkhorse28 |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 11:41 - May 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
The Suarez / Arsenal incident is an interesting one, because it supports the view that some of us have been articulating.
Liverpool had the release cause phrased in such a way that was ambiguous, and open to different interpretations and allowed them to reject the approach (lawyers can be devious little sh1ts - no disrespect to anyone on the forum). But the exact details of the incident (fiasco?) never entered the public domain. So who knows exactly how it came about.
Delap is likely to move on, but NONE OF US KNOW THE DETAILED WORDING OF THE CONTRACT / CLAUSES, OR ANY INTERDEPENDENCIES and likely never will when he leaves (or not), so this thread (as with the other dozen on the same subject) is all HOT AIR |
Conjecture as you say, but at the point you commercially only see the maximum upside as £30 million, that’s not an asset you value enough to have lots of clauses inserted for future protection either.
If you did, you’d have a higher value. And it’s likely we could have protected ourselves much better by moving some of the benefits for Loam forward to when he signed.
Any player and agent would take a slightly bigger salary, and or signing fee, to mitigate higher exit clauses, a bird in the hand etc.
And I don’t think it will be us trying to get in the way of the deal.
The complete opposite. As the only asset we can likely sell quickly, I would think PSR will have us trying to get the deal through before year end (end of June).
We have a £150 million net spend in the books for a single year…, if we can reduce that, even by £15 million, I suspect we will do all we can to make it happen.
The elements that aren’t conjecture, that are in the public domain, look horrific commercially.
If it is £30 million, and there are lots of additional clauses protecting us, I think Mark would say…, because there’s no commercial harm to any deal.
This is a man that couldn’t wait to tell us our manager is paid £5 million a year basic, and is the 5th best paid manager in the prem.
When he thinks he’s smashed it out the park, he’d tell you his own PIN number for some validation…, so his silence says everything in this deal.
It’s most likely very poir, and we need to learn very quickly:
Only clubs that get value buying and selling can be successful longer term, and we had a shocking summer in that front, in my opinion. | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 15:00 - May 9 with 366 views | Herbivore |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 14:46 - May 9 by darkhorse28 |
Conjecture as you say, but at the point you commercially only see the maximum upside as £30 million, that’s not an asset you value enough to have lots of clauses inserted for future protection either.
If you did, you’d have a higher value. And it’s likely we could have protected ourselves much better by moving some of the benefits for Loam forward to when he signed.
Any player and agent would take a slightly bigger salary, and or signing fee, to mitigate higher exit clauses, a bird in the hand etc.
And I don’t think it will be us trying to get in the way of the deal.
The complete opposite. As the only asset we can likely sell quickly, I would think PSR will have us trying to get the deal through before year end (end of June).
We have a £150 million net spend in the books for a single year…, if we can reduce that, even by £15 million, I suspect we will do all we can to make it happen.
The elements that aren’t conjecture, that are in the public domain, look horrific commercially.
If it is £30 million, and there are lots of additional clauses protecting us, I think Mark would say…, because there’s no commercial harm to any deal.
This is a man that couldn’t wait to tell us our manager is paid £5 million a year basic, and is the 5th best paid manager in the prem.
When he thinks he’s smashed it out the park, he’d tell you his own PIN number for some validation…, so his silence says everything in this deal.
It’s most likely very poir, and we need to learn very quickly:
Only clubs that get value buying and selling can be successful longer term, and we had a shocking summer in that front, in my opinion. |
I'm not sure how many times PSR and how transfer fees are recorded needs to be explained to you but you still don't seem to get it. We don't have £150m of transfer spend on our books for 2024/25 as transfer fees are amortised over the length of contract up to 5 years. That means the spend on our books for this year will be more like £30m to £40m. There is nothing to suggest w need to panic sell anyone before June in order to comply with PSR for this season. The rest of this is just hot air, which is fine, but at least get your facts straight. | |
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