| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? 09:41 - May 13 with 4604 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
With seemingly so many clubs desperate for his signature at only £30m, it's going to take a lot of tooing and froing with his personal terms, with each club offering different wages, length, bonuses etc., all trying to outdo each other. His representatives will be going over it all with a fine tooth comb to extract the best deal, and paring that with other considerations like who's more likely to play him (he's going to need to play if he wants to make the England squad), plus who's going to be in Europe (and who might be challenging for it) and who's likely to be looking at other honours, who's likely to be a basket case, fanbase, desirability of living in the area etc etc.
The presumably at our end we still have scope to negotiate sell-on clauses?
So my thinking, with all that to sort out and no need to rush with so many options likely on the table, his sale could go quite near to the end of the transfer window, well after the season's started. Whilst we'd obviously prefer to get a new striker bedded in, Delap will surely still play if he's still here? Unless we decide to protect him in case of injury? |  |
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| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 09:42 - May 13 with 3145 views | BlueBadger |
I suspect his chances of playing for us in the Championship are slightly lower than my chances of a second date with Natalie Imbruglia. |  |
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| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 09:50 - May 13 with 3052 views | tractorboy1978 |
It'll be a set deal (including sell on clauses etc) which I am sure every man and his dog in the football world is already aware of. Actually imagine him going will be tied up fairly quickly as it's of no help to Liam to be going into a club late. He will want a full pre season somewhere. |  | | |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 09:50 - May 13 with 3047 views | Dennyx4 |
Very unlikely. Delap will narrow down, who he wants to go to, and those discussions are likely happening right now.
Think we would rather it was done before he heads off to the U21 tournament too, would help us to know how much we have to spend. It is never better the later it goes, as you get the disruption during the season. [Post edited 13 May 9:52]
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| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 09:51 - May 13 with 3042 views | Bellevue_Blue |
I disagree. It will be in his agents best interest to do the deal as early as possible whilst all the clubs have plenty of PSR headroom and they can play clubs off against each other.
Later in the window you get to the point where clubs are having to sell to buy etc and with 30M being doable for probably all 6 of the CL clubs, you want them all in on the deal. | | | |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 09:53 - May 13 with 3011 views | MattinLondon |
If the £30M clause is correct then there is absolutely no chance at all Liam Delap will be with us next season. |  | | |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:03 - May 13 with 2935 views | BseaBlue |
If he chooses Chelsea, I'd imagine they might want him for the Club World Cup so probably sooner rather than later because of the new window.
Interesting point about the sell on clauses. I'd imagine as there is a minimum fee release clause agreed with the agent that there must have been a sell on included within that. |  | | |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:04 - May 13 with 2925 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 09:53 - May 13 by MattinLondon |
If the £30M clause is correct then there is absolutely no chance at all Liam Delap will be with us next season. |
I'm saying for a few games while it all gets sorted. Did you read my post or just the headline? | |
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| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:06 - May 13 with 2895 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 09:50 - May 13 by tractorboy1978 |
It'll be a set deal (including sell on clauses etc) which I am sure every man and his dog in the football world is already aware of. Actually imagine him going will be tied up fairly quickly as it's of no help to Liam to be going into a club late. He will want a full pre season somewhere. |
Yes, makes sense that personally he'll want to get it sorted quickly, but with so many options doesn't that make it a lot more difficult with contracts, representatives and lawyers? Getting it done quickly might be out of his hands. | |
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| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:07 - May 13 with 2885 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 09:50 - May 13 by Dennyx4 |
Very unlikely. Delap will narrow down, who he wants to go to, and those discussions are likely happening right now.
Think we would rather it was done before he heads off to the U21 tournament too, would help us to know how much we have to spend. It is never better the later it goes, as you get the disruption during the season. [Post edited 13 May 9:52]
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We know exactly how much we'll have to spend if the reports are true. | |
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| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:07 - May 13 with 2882 views | MattinLondon |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:04 - May 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm saying for a few games while it all gets sorted. Did you read my post or just the headline? |
Read all of it - no chance at all that he’ll be here next season, no chance at all he will be here for just a few games or just one game. No chance at all. | | | |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:09 - May 13 with 2868 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:03 - May 13 by BseaBlue |
If he chooses Chelsea, I'd imagine they might want him for the Club World Cup so probably sooner rather than later because of the new window.
Interesting point about the sell on clauses. I'd imagine as there is a minimum fee release clause agreed with the agent that there must have been a sell on included within that. |
Maybe that's what Ashton means about "well protected". Could be that we agreed to the £30m release but in return we'd like X sell-on clauses... | |
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| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:09 - May 13 with 2863 views | Hciwspi |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 09:42 - May 13 by BlueBadger |
I suspect his chances of playing for us in the Championship are slightly lower than my chances of a second date with Natalie Imbruglia. |
How did the first date go? |  | | |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:12 - May 13 with 2836 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:07 - May 13 by MattinLondon |
Read all of it - no chance at all that he’ll be here next season, no chance at all he will be here for just a few games or just one game. No chance at all. |
You're just repeating yourself but not saying why, not countering any of my points that the low cost makes the deal more drawn-out rather than less, due to there being more suitors.
I'm happy to be shown my thinking's wrong, but you need to show me your workings not just keep saying "no chance"! | |
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| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:13 - May 13 with 2825 views | Smoresy |
He shouldn't want to miss preseason really - give himself the best chance of making a quick impact. My guess would be early July at the latest, in the event his preferred club needs to wait for the new accounting year. | | | |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:13 - May 13 with 2821 views | tractorboy1978 |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:06 - May 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Yes, makes sense that personally he'll want to get it sorted quickly, but with so many options doesn't that make it a lot more difficult with contracts, representatives and lawyers? Getting it done quickly might be out of his hands. |
Ultimately he will decide where he wants to go and when he wants to sign. His agent will be instructed to get the best deal he can out of clubs he is interested in going to by a set deadline I would imagine. | | | |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:15 - May 13 with 2799 views | textbackup |
We’d be idiots to let it drag on, as we need to get his replacement in. |  |
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| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:25 - May 13 with 2692 views | MattinLondon |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:09 - May 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Maybe that's what Ashton means about "well protected". Could be that we agreed to the £30m release but in return we'd like X sell-on clauses... |
The ‘well protected’ line could well relate to how the clause can be executed rather than the value in itself. For example, the total value has to be paid in full rather than spread out over many years. Or as you say, the clause is £30M but with add-ons attached such as future international caps etc etc.
Back to why Delap won’t be with us next season. His team, including legal representatives are well-versed and experienced in contract negotiations as well as wording. His agent will be able to negotiate terms whilst the legalities will be sorted at the same time.
It’s in no one’s interests to drag it out - everyone will want it completed asap.
LD will have a list of criteria that he’s looking out in a club. His agent and legal team will take it from there. The final contract will be signed by LD. | | | |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:25 - May 13 with 2679 views | BlueBadger |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:09 - May 13 by Hciwspi |
How did the first date go? |
She's told me that we'll go out the first day that trickle-down economics benefits anyone there than the super-rich.
So, any day now, right? | |
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| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:26 - May 13 with 2677 views | davblue |
suspect all of those conversations are already well down the line, might just be a case of seeing if United win the Europa league if reports are accurate. They seem to be the front runners from national reports, of course that might not be true. I'd be surprised if it wasn't done in early June.
You would hope the relegation clause is 30 million plus 15-20% sell on fee, that would gives us a bit more 'protection'. |  | | |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:27 - May 13 with 2661 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:15 - May 13 by textbackup |
We’d be idiots to let it drag on, as we need to get his replacement in. |
Ideally, yes, but surely it's out of our hands? How do we "let it drag on"? He signs for whoever he fancies once the representatives and lawyers sort out the major and minor points to get the best deal. I don't see how we have any say in that, unless we added a clause that says it has to be done by a certain time, which I've not heard of before. | |
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| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:34 - May 13 with 2595 views | ArnieM |
OP: agree with your comments/ rationale. Which in a nutshell means he'd be better off staying at Town for next season and getting games. I'd suggest his game is too raw atm for senior England inclusion anyway. Who's to say he'll make the same impact (for 1/2 of this season really), as he has effectively been marked out of games and his current approach no longer is as effective. He needs yo.learn and gradually develop thise additional skills . Where better than st Town where he's more likely to play most games. He won't be playing much at other PL frankly because he's to one dimensional atm. That's not intended as a criticism at all, just an observation of his current level of play.
He has immense potential, but that's all it is atm. He needs a lot more work.... |  |
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| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:46 - May 13 with 2503 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
I find it amusing that people can be so adamant that their is no chance Delap will still be with us next season, or that he's already out the door.
Yes, highly improbably he's still here next season, given all the speculation, but not a certainty until the deal is done.
Right now Delap is a Town player, so negotiations have to be concluded until he is no longer ours. We have no visibility of what complexities there may be in any current release clause that may need 'unpicking'. And then there's the medical - every club has its own medical procedures, and we only know too well how the medical can turn up things that drag on.
These things go at their own pace, and it's not done until it's done. | | | |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:46 - May 13 with 2498 views | Whos_blue |
If he is off, which let's face it is more than likely, I would imagine it suits all parties to get it done and dusted sooner rather than later.
To be honest, if it avoids several dozen "will he won't he" threads, a quick release suits me.
Thanks for memories and all that, but we don't need a sideshow this closed season. There is much to do and we need to focus on that. |  |
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| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:47 - May 13 with 2482 views | tractorboy1978 |
| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:34 - May 13 by ArnieM |
OP: agree with your comments/ rationale. Which in a nutshell means he'd be better off staying at Town for next season and getting games. I'd suggest his game is too raw atm for senior England inclusion anyway. Who's to say he'll make the same impact (for 1/2 of this season really), as he has effectively been marked out of games and his current approach no longer is as effective. He needs yo.learn and gradually develop thise additional skills . Where better than st Town where he's more likely to play most games. He won't be playing much at other PL frankly because he's to one dimensional atm. That's not intended as a criticism at all, just an observation of his current level of play.
He has immense potential, but that's all it is atm. He needs a lot more work.... |
How is he better off playing Championship football though? He's proving nothing to anybody. He is a PL player and needs to go and play at that level, testing himself further against the very best (agree he needs to be choosy about where he goes and make sure he is getting games). [Post edited 13 May 10:48]
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| There's probably a decent chance Delap plays for us in the Champ, right? on 10:48 - May 13 with 2474 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
We will be spectators only.
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