| Cajuste 20:24 - May 26 with 11892 views | itfc_bucks |
Lots of Tw@tter-based talk that it's already a done deal and he'll be with us next year?
I'm not a paid up member of Jens fanclub, is he robust enough to do that job in the championship and, I'll leave myself wide open here, is he *that* good we want to blow a substantial chunk of a limited budget on him? |  | | |  |
| Cajuste on 22:24 - May 26 with 2927 views | WicklowBlue |
| Cajuste on 21:59 - May 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
This is the same bloke who last season played against Real Madrid in a champions league game twice. Hes a class act |
I'll be honest and share concerns but if the valuation is £10m as others have said its doable but what are wages?
Honestly I think Cajuste has been our best midfielder this season until the later half which may be due to illness etc. There is definitely a player in there which I suspect McK can coach and develop. Again as per other's we should have the best handle on his knee and overall fitness situation.
It could be down to being over powered across the team this season and not playing a formation that works for him. Thought yesterday he was timid in a few situations and while he has the legs to drive up the pitch didn't make incisive passes. Again coaching could improve this a lot along with system player changes.
Overall, do I have concerns about his physicality, robustness at a EPL level yes... Do I think he'd be a monster with the right team around him at EFL level, yes I do too with McK coaching him. Plus whenever I listen to Cajuste he seems clued in and grounded for what it's worth.
Sign him up, but the next signing in CM must complement Jens for it to work. |  | | |
| Cajuste on 22:55 - May 26 with 2803 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
It would be a bizarre signing. In a good way mind.
When he was at Reims he was seemingly on the watchlist of multiple top teams in Europe. Goes to Napoli, features (fairly) regularly in the Serie A and Champions league, then is set to move to Brentford who its fair to say have an eye for a Scandinavian midfielder, fails his medical and ends up with us.
If we were to sign him in the championship it would be genuinely mental, that would have been completely unthinkable 2 years ago, even 1 year ago. He is far too good on the ball for that level, his ability to skip past players and take the ball on the half turn is genuine top level premier league quality. His off the ball stuff I don't think has been great, our midfield looks so open, but that is what happens when you play in the best league in the world. I doubt that would be as big an issue in the champ.
If we can get it done and the financial side makes sense. Seems a no brainer.I just can't see it though. Surely he can get a top flight move which also helps his chances of getting in to a competitive national team side ? [Post edited 26 May 22:57]
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| Cajuste on 00:41 - May 27 with 2626 views | Bugs |
| Cajuste on 20:41 - May 26 by ITFCBlues |
When has he shown he's a PL quality midfielder? |
Sunday just gone, 4pm onwards if you want the latest example. |  | | |
| Cajuste on 06:05 - May 27 with 2476 views | ernie |
| Cajuste on 20:26 - May 26 by jasondozzell |
He's a Premier League quality midfielder who was signed by Napoli. He's technically and physically a top tier midfielder. Would be an incredible signing. He has been one of our best players this season. I suspect our medical dept have had a big say in it if it happens because we've handled his knee so well. We would also have to have been satisfied he's going right way. [Post edited 26 May 20:36]
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Who actually contributes very little in games in terms of game changing moments. Definitely an off the bench premier league player in an established premier league side but not a starter I think | | | |
| Cajuste on 07:40 - May 27 with 2269 views | DeliasMashedPotato |
He will tear the championship apart, the problem was not Jens this season, I think we needed a better partner alongside him and we would have done better. I think morsy will do a job for us next year alongside him but he's only getting older and just feel he lacked the pace to keep up with the intensity of the prem. If and when we next go up, cajuste needs a faster and stronger partner next to him and i think he will shine. | | | |
| Cajuste on 07:49 - May 27 with 2212 views | ITFCBlues |
| Cajuste on 00:41 - May 27 by Bugs |
Sunday just gone, 4pm onwards if you want the latest example. |
I missed his contribution....again. didn't realise he was playing other than his pathetic attempt at blocking that Bowen 2nd goal.
I'm not sure what sort of a midfielder he is? He doesn't score goals, doesn't take the ball from the defence ala Morsy, doesn't provide killer passes in the final third and his defensive contribution has been pretty poor all season.
Does he suit the way we play? Is he robust enough for 46 games? |  |
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| Cajuste on 07:51 - May 27 with 2204 views | portmanking |
| Cajuste on 07:49 - May 27 by ITFCBlues |
I missed his contribution....again. didn't realise he was playing other than his pathetic attempt at blocking that Bowen 2nd goal.
I'm not sure what sort of a midfielder he is? He doesn't score goals, doesn't take the ball from the defence ala Morsy, doesn't provide killer passes in the final third and his defensive contribution has been pretty poor all season.
Does he suit the way we play? Is he robust enough for 46 games? |
He's a box-to-box midfielder that would be much better in a midfield 3 with a Luongo-style player behind him doing his dirty work. Similar to Jack Taylor in many ways.
He *looks* silky, but the underlying data does not look favourable once the blue-tinted glasses are off. | | | |
| Cajuste on 08:29 - May 27 with 2087 views | Simonds92 |
| Cajuste on 07:51 - May 27 by portmanking |
He's a box-to-box midfielder that would be much better in a midfield 3 with a Luongo-style player behind him doing his dirty work. Similar to Jack Taylor in many ways.
He *looks* silky, but the underlying data does not look favourable once the blue-tinted glasses are off. |
Think this is spot on. I am amazed we haven't played with a 3 this season though, considering a lot of the teams do, with players of a far higher quality. Maybe that is a key reason we struggled in the middle.
There are people on this criticising Morsy, someone who has had a better season than Cajuste. Absolutely baffling.
I think Cajuste could be a decent acquisition at the right price and he will add something but I'm not expecting him to suddenly have 15+ goal involvements and defensively he is suspect at times. In recent days we've had people raving about Massimo's awareness and when to drop in to certain positions, predominantly covering Leif, Cajuste doesn't seem to have that yet. | | | |
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| Cajuste on 08:34 - May 27 with 2065 views | portmanking |
| Cajuste on 08:29 - May 27 by Simonds92 |
Think this is spot on. I am amazed we haven't played with a 3 this season though, considering a lot of the teams do, with players of a far higher quality. Maybe that is a key reason we struggled in the middle.
There are people on this criticising Morsy, someone who has had a better season than Cajuste. Absolutely baffling.
I think Cajuste could be a decent acquisition at the right price and he will add something but I'm not expecting him to suddenly have 15+ goal involvements and defensively he is suspect at times. In recent days we've had people raving about Massimo's awareness and when to drop in to certain positions, predominantly covering Leif, Cajuste doesn't seem to have that yet. |
You can't coach the positional awareness that Luongo had/has. We need to recruit someone with the same football IQ to replace him. Cajuste just doesn't have that level of on-field intelligence. | | | |
| Cajuste on 08:42 - May 27 with 2020 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Cajuste on 07:51 - May 27 by portmanking |
He's a box-to-box midfielder that would be much better in a midfield 3 with a Luongo-style player behind him doing his dirty work. Similar to Jack Taylor in many ways.
He *looks* silky, but the underlying data does not look favourable once the blue-tinted glasses are off. |
Miles better player than Downes or Sheaf though at the sort of fee we had agreed with Napoli. | | | |
| Cajuste on 08:53 - May 27 with 1956 views | portmanking |
| Cajuste on 08:42 - May 27 by tractorboy1978 |
Miles better player than Downes or Sheaf though at the sort of fee we had agreed with Napoli. |
But does that matter if he doesn't do what we need from our double pivot?
He could cost £5m and I still wouldn't think it's worthwhile if we're going to persist with him as Leif's defensive cover next season. We'll still ship goals down the left and be easy to play through. | | | |
| Cajuste on 09:01 - May 27 with 1909 views | Tractor_Boy333 |
Obviously has some fitness issues but people saying he’s not good enough I just can’t agree with.
Perhaps he would be more suited to a 3 man midfield but more importantly I think he needs someone alongside him who contributes as well.
Even on Sunday it was noticeable how much Morsy slows the game down, which on occasions is required, but not as much as Sam does. Morsy has been brilliant but this was a step too far from him and if he is a regular starter next season I think we’ll struggle. | | | |
| Cajuste on 09:06 - May 27 with 1895 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Cajuste on 08:53 - May 27 by portmanking |
But does that matter if he doesn't do what we need from our double pivot?
He could cost £5m and I still wouldn't think it's worthwhile if we're going to persist with him as Leif's defensive cover next season. We'll still ship goals down the left and be easy to play through. |
I would see it as Cajuste + at least one other though. It's going to be a big rebuild in that area isn't it? Wouldn't necessarily see him as the Luongo replacement. | | | |
| Cajuste on 09:12 - May 27 with 1872 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
If we can get it done then great, I wonder though if with a World Cup just around the corner, he would rather join a top-flight club? | | | |
| Cajuste on 09:20 - May 27 with 1822 views | NthQldITFC |
In theory (without being arrogant about it) we ought to have a squad strong enough next season that we can rotate heavily particularly in MF and up front.
A narrow-minded view of this has always been "Arrgh, he doesn't know his best eleven!", but a more progressive view of this particularly in a division where we should be strong enough to pull it off is that it keeps your squad fresh, develops fringe players to be more ready for a potential promotion, and gives real depth to cope with potential injury crises.
It would be an absolutely brilliant coup to keep Jens, and very sensible to limit his game time next season if necessary, and I'd hope the vast majority would understand that. |  |
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| Cajuste on 09:36 - May 27 with 1718 views | BiGDonnie |
Unreal signing if true.
Classic TWTD with some of these responses, maybe we should see what Skuse or Douglas are up too? |  |
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| Cajuste on 09:55 - May 27 with 1619 views | portmanking |
| Cajuste on 09:06 - May 27 by tractorboy1978 |
I would see it as Cajuste + at least one other though. It's going to be a big rebuild in that area isn't it? Wouldn't necessarily see him as the Luongo replacement. |
It would have to be Cajuste + TWO others IMO. Cajuste isn't a replacement for Luongo or Morsy, is he? He's not an enforcer. He's not a deep-lying playmaker. He's someone that can carry the ball 30-40 yards and break the lines.
Maybe him signing suggests we *will* change system next season? | | | |
| Cajuste on 09:59 - May 27 with 1594 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Cajuste on 09:36 - May 27 by BiGDonnie |
Unreal signing if true.
Classic TWTD with some of these responses, maybe we should see what Skuse or Douglas are up too? |
If that Douglas goal vs Norwich rightly stood I wonder if his time here would be viewed differently. Shame on that linesman. | |
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| Cajuste on 10:05 - May 27 with 1555 views | bluefunk |
| Cajuste on 08:53 - May 27 by portmanking |
But does that matter if he doesn't do what we need from our double pivot?
He could cost £5m and I still wouldn't think it's worthwhile if we're going to persist with him as Leif's defensive cover next season. We'll still ship goals down the left and be easy to play through. |
It’s a real puzzle isn’t it, do I trust McKenna’s view, supported by coaching staff, data, a season watching him in training, medical reports etc etc, or some random on social media. |  | | |
| Cajuste on 10:05 - May 27 with 1557 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Cajuste on 09:55 - May 27 by portmanking |
It would have to be Cajuste + TWO others IMO. Cajuste isn't a replacement for Luongo or Morsy, is he? He's not an enforcer. He's not a deep-lying playmaker. He's someone that can carry the ball 30-40 yards and break the lines.
Maybe him signing suggests we *will* change system next season? |
We definitely have to be evolving. I believe you mentioned a couple of weeks ago that athleticism was the buzzword for recruitment this summer. Well that is definitely Cajuste. I think it is dangerous to think we can find two younger Morsy/Luongo replicas and it'll just work as it did last season. We also need to remember we still conceded plenty of goals last season too. [Post edited 27 May 10:05]
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| Cajuste on 10:06 - May 27 with 1549 views | HighgateBlue |
| Cajuste on 22:55 - May 26 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
It would be a bizarre signing. In a good way mind.
When he was at Reims he was seemingly on the watchlist of multiple top teams in Europe. Goes to Napoli, features (fairly) regularly in the Serie A and Champions league, then is set to move to Brentford who its fair to say have an eye for a Scandinavian midfielder, fails his medical and ends up with us.
If we were to sign him in the championship it would be genuinely mental, that would have been completely unthinkable 2 years ago, even 1 year ago. He is far too good on the ball for that level, his ability to skip past players and take the ball on the half turn is genuine top level premier league quality. His off the ball stuff I don't think has been great, our midfield looks so open, but that is what happens when you play in the best league in the world. I doubt that would be as big an issue in the champ.
If we can get it done and the financial side makes sense. Seems a no brainer.I just can't see it though. Surely he can get a top flight move which also helps his chances of getting in to a competitive national team side ? [Post edited 26 May 22:57]
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Yes, agreed, and he's 25, so still young enough for a big club to see some upside in him, but old enough that the stakes are really high as to what decisions he makes over the next couple of seasons. In that context, a drop down to the Championship looks really unlikely.
I really do think he's been a brightish spot in a team with not too many success stories.
Hopefully other suitors will see that he's been part of a failed campaign, that he's not played a full season, and that his bare results partnering others in midfield have been worse than Morsy partnering those same others. |  | | |
| Cajuste on 10:33 - May 27 with 1400 views | Guthrum |
| Cajuste on 08:29 - May 27 by Simonds92 |
Think this is spot on. I am amazed we haven't played with a 3 this season though, considering a lot of the teams do, with players of a far higher quality. Maybe that is a key reason we struggled in the middle.
There are people on this criticising Morsy, someone who has had a better season than Cajuste. Absolutely baffling.
I think Cajuste could be a decent acquisition at the right price and he will add something but I'm not expecting him to suddenly have 15+ goal involvements and defensively he is suspect at times. In recent days we've had people raving about Massimo's awareness and when to drop in to certain positions, predominantly covering Leif, Cajuste doesn't seem to have that yet. |
The problem playing with a midfield three is you have to sacrifice someone from elsewhere. That would have meant weakening our already not very dangerous attack.
Plus you need the players with the ability, fitness and specific skills to do it. With Phillips injured or suspended, Cajuste not 100%, Morsy and Luongo long in the tooth and perhaps not mobile enough, Taylor struggling to make an impact, who else did we have to make the third man in that midfield? Particularly once we started losing full-backs to injury as well, so spare CBs who could have moved forward were needed to play wide instead. |  |
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| Cajuste on 11:23 - May 27 with 1285 views | Superblue95 |
If we do re-sign him I hope we stop persisting with his ‘long’ throws.
He makes Knudsen look like Rory Delap. |  |
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| Cajuste on 11:50 - May 27 with 1179 views | Jon_456 |
| Cajuste on 08:53 - May 27 by portmanking |
But does that matter if he doesn't do what we need from our double pivot?
He could cost £5m and I still wouldn't think it's worthwhile if we're going to persist with him as Leif's defensive cover next season. We'll still ship goals down the left and be easy to play through. |
This season has made me question whether KM could/should have tried a midfield three.
There’s not many teams who actually play with a double pivot in the prem. Off the top of my head I think Chelsea, Utd, Spurs, Bournemouth and Leicester play it. There’s no coincidence we picked up a reasonable amount of points or at least looked quite competitive against those teams.
I guess it’s difficult to do when the squad is built for the AM/10 positions but perhaps it’s one of the lessons learned and we may see a shift this summer? | | | |
| Cajuste on 12:27 - May 27 with 1045 views | NthQldITFC |
| Cajuste on 10:33 - May 27 by Guthrum |
The problem playing with a midfield three is you have to sacrifice someone from elsewhere. That would have meant weakening our already not very dangerous attack.
Plus you need the players with the ability, fitness and specific skills to do it. With Phillips injured or suspended, Cajuste not 100%, Morsy and Luongo long in the tooth and perhaps not mobile enough, Taylor struggling to make an impact, who else did we have to make the third man in that midfield? Particularly once we started losing full-backs to injury as well, so spare CBs who could have moved forward were needed to play wide instead. |
I think working up a (nominal) 3 midfielders based setup in the Championship would be a really good idea and stand us in good stead for going up again and not being overrun in the middle. How precisely KMc would implement that is above my pay grade, but I can imagine players like Taylor (or similar) and Cajuste working well with a more dedicated defensive third man, Morsy or similar.
Not sure Taylor can be the man who breaks forward from there to form a 4-2-3-1 in attack or not (although I thought he was quietly improving towards the end of the season), but I can see that tweak working well for us at Championship and Premier League level, particularly with Davis bombing on down the left. | |
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