| I assume we pocket the full £30m 18:15 - May 29 with 3196 views | Wallingford_Boy |
No sell on fee for city? |  |
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| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 18:17 - May 29 with 2904 views | Tonytown |
I’m sure Phil will confirm, but I think they get 20% of our profit, so £3m of the extra £15m. |  | | |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 18:19 - May 29 with 2873 views | Bellevue_Blue |
They have 30% (normally of profit) and I would presume that would also be part of the 30M release clause so if Delap left CFC, we would get 30% of profit | | | |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 18:23 - May 29 with 2806 views | PhilTWTD |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 18:17 - May 29 by Tonytown |
I’m sure Phil will confirm, but I think they get 20% of our profit, so £3m of the extra £15m. |
Indeed, although the fee we paid will probably have increased a little due to the clauses involved, which I assume were appearance and goal-related to some extent. Wonder if him being on the bench for the last couple of games might have been influenced by that. |  | | |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 18:24 - May 29 with 2789 views | rkc123 |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 18:19 - May 29 by Bellevue_Blue |
They have 30% (normally of profit) and I would presume that would also be part of the 30M release clause so if Delap left CFC, we would get 30% of profit |
I know this conversation has already been had, but the statement from Ashton that the club are 'very well protected' just seems really odd as at the time he made the statement it already looked very likely we were getting relegated, and therefore that statement was going to be shown up as simply not true within a matter of weeks. I'm not criticising the clause itself, it may be that was the only way to get Delap to sign with competition from other clubs, just such a weird thing to say in an interview. [Post edited 29 May 18:24]
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| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 18:26 - May 29 with 2739 views | Tonytown |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 18:24 - May 29 by rkc123 |
I know this conversation has already been had, but the statement from Ashton that the club are 'very well protected' just seems really odd as at the time he made the statement it already looked very likely we were getting relegated, and therefore that statement was going to be shown up as simply not true within a matter of weeks. I'm not criticising the clause itself, it may be that was the only way to get Delap to sign with competition from other clubs, just such a weird thing to say in an interview. [Post edited 29 May 18:24]
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A £12m profit in one year with that being the only way we could get him here is as good as it gets. | | | |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 18:32 - May 29 with 2625 views | Guthrum |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 18:24 - May 29 by rkc123 |
I know this conversation has already been had, but the statement from Ashton that the club are 'very well protected' just seems really odd as at the time he made the statement it already looked very likely we were getting relegated, and therefore that statement was going to be shown up as simply not true within a matter of weeks. I'm not criticising the clause itself, it may be that was the only way to get Delap to sign with competition from other clubs, just such a weird thing to say in an interview. [Post edited 29 May 18:24]
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"Protected" is not the same as "In a position to make a huge profit". "Protected" implies not losing our investment, maybe with a bit extra to cover wages. In thas case plus a decent lump of profit* on top.
If we'd put a larger relegation release clause than that back in July, people would have thought we were mad. No clause and we probably wouldn't have got him.
* Given we are heading back down into the Championship. |  |
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| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 19:14 - May 29 with 2361 views | PioneerBlue |
A new thread that’s what we need | |
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| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 19:18 - May 29 with 2324 views | redrickstuhaart |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 18:32 - May 29 by Guthrum |
"Protected" is not the same as "In a position to make a huge profit". "Protected" implies not losing our investment, maybe with a bit extra to cover wages. In thas case plus a decent lump of profit* on top.
If we'd put a larger relegation release clause than that back in July, people would have thought we were mad. No clause and we probably wouldn't have got him.
* Given we are heading back down into the Championship. |
You may well be right. But a better indication of the utterly appalling unlevel playing field and the destruction of English football is hard to conceive.
The big clubs control all of the players. The dreams of a local boy made good are virtually all gone now. Anyone decent will be stockpiled in a top 6 academy and rented out for experience. | | | |
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| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 19:54 - May 29 with 2145 views | vilanovablue |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 18:32 - May 29 by Guthrum |
"Protected" is not the same as "In a position to make a huge profit". "Protected" implies not losing our investment, maybe with a bit extra to cover wages. In thas case plus a decent lump of profit* on top.
If we'd put a larger relegation release clause than that back in July, people would have thought we were mad. No clause and we probably wouldn't have got him.
* Given we are heading back down into the Championship. |
Man City and his agent were in the driving seat when it came to negotiations over 10 million in essentially free money can't be sniffed at. It's the journey we're currently on and will lead to players going we don't want to leave but generating revenue. It won't be the last time, maybe even in this transfer window. |  | | |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 20:16 - May 29 with 2069 views | redrickstuhaart |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 19:54 - May 29 by vilanovablue |
Man City and his agent were in the driving seat when it came to negotiations over 10 million in essentially free money can't be sniffed at. It's the journey we're currently on and will lead to players going we don't want to leave but generating revenue. It won't be the last time, maybe even in this transfer window. |
The point being that the Brentfords of this world got there by being able to make big profits on a few players to boost themselves. but that is getting harder and harder to achieve due to talent stockpiling. | | | |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 20:19 - May 29 with 2051 views | Trequartista |
I'm of the opinion that had we not agreed to clauses insisted on by Delap and City, we wouldn't have got the player but if City have 25% of profit and the release fee is £30m, can someone tell me what Ashton meant by "very well protected" ? |  |
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| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 20:30 - May 29 with 1951 views | vilanovablue |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 20:16 - May 29 by redrickstuhaart |
The point being that the Brentfords of this world got there by being able to make big profits on a few players to boost themselves. but that is getting harder and harder to achieve due to talent stockpiling. |
Yes and it took both Brentford and Brighton who I'd like to think we'll model ourselves on a while to get to. Rome wasn't built in a day and given we're starting from literally nothing I'm happy being patient. The journey was never going to be linear and frankly we had an Icarus season and got badly burnt. We've now got some cash and a place to start properly building. I'd take another relegation so long as we continue to do the right thing. [Post edited 29 May 20:40]
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| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 20:32 - May 29 with 1936 views | Tonytown |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 20:19 - May 29 by Trequartista |
I'm of the opinion that had we not agreed to clauses insisted on by Delap and City, we wouldn't have got the player but if City have 25% of profit and the release fee is £30m, can someone tell me what Ashton meant by "very well protected" ? |
20% of profit leaves us circa £12m up after one year.
Presumably if we stayed up we could have sold him to the highest bidder.
It’s also £30m off the expenditure for this season in one hit | | | |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 20:41 - May 29 with 1891 views | sjg |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 18:23 - May 29 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed, although the fee we paid will probably have increased a little due to the clauses involved, which I assume were appearance and goal-related to some extent. Wonder if him being on the bench for the last couple of games might have been influenced by that. |
Fabrizio reporting ‘30% of the deal’ 🤔 | | | |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 20:41 - May 29 with 1889 views | vilanovablue |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 20:32 - May 29 by Tonytown |
20% of profit leaves us circa £12m up after one year.
Presumably if we stayed up we could have sold him to the highest bidder.
It’s also £30m off the expenditure for this season in one hit |
It's not rocket science is it? | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 20:42 - May 29 with 1891 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 20:19 - May 29 by Trequartista |
I'm of the opinion that had we not agreed to clauses insisted on by Delap and City, we wouldn't have got the player but if City have 25% of profit and the release fee is £30m, can someone tell me what Ashton meant by "very well protected" ? |
You’d have to ask MA that question.
For what it’s worth (and it’s down to perspective), we’ve had Delap’s services for a season, and now get £27M back into the coffers for further player investment. That’s pretty good protection for what was an unproven player last summer.
Far too many people have inflated expectations with the benefit of hindsight. [Post edited 29 May 20:46]
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| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 20:44 - May 29 with 1874 views | Tonytown |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 20:41 - May 29 by vilanovablue |
It's not rocket science is it? |
It appears to be for some. | | | |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 23:08 - May 29 with 1499 views | Trequartista |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 20:32 - May 29 by Tonytown |
20% of profit leaves us circa £12m up after one year.
Presumably if we stayed up we could have sold him to the highest bidder.
It’s also £30m off the expenditure for this season in one hit |
I don't really think that answers my question. You're just listing things that are a result of the rapid development of Delap. I wanted to know what Ashton negotiated to leave us "very well protected".
I mean it was longer than a one year deal so he can't leave free so well done there, but seriously, what does he mean? [Post edited 29 May 23:12]
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 23:12 - May 29 with 1469 views | Trequartista |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 20:42 - May 29 by SuffolkPunchFC |
You’d have to ask MA that question.
For what it’s worth (and it’s down to perspective), we’ve had Delap’s services for a season, and now get £27M back into the coffers for further player investment. That’s pretty good protection for what was an unproven player last summer.
Far too many people have inflated expectations with the benefit of hindsight. [Post edited 29 May 20:46]
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What protection? We're gaining from Delap's rapid rise in stature, nothing to do with anything Ashton has done to leave us very well covered.
Don't know if you're aiming inflated expectations at me when i've explained already that i don't believe we'd have signed the player without the clause.
I've no problem at all with the deal, I just want to know what he means by "very well protected". That he doesn't have a free transfer clause? Is that what he means? | |
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| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 23:49 - May 29 with 1379 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
20% sell on fee |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 23:54 - May 29 with 1367 views | 05Jchamb |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 23:12 - May 29 by Trequartista |
What protection? We're gaining from Delap's rapid rise in stature, nothing to do with anything Ashton has done to leave us very well covered.
Don't know if you're aiming inflated expectations at me when i've explained already that i don't believe we'd have signed the player without the clause.
I've no problem at all with the deal, I just want to know what he means by "very well protected". That he doesn't have a free transfer clause? Is that what he means? |
I haven’t been able to shake this point either. Like you say, the deal isn’t awful by any means but it feels to me just very odd choice of words if it was only going to be a matter of time before it became common knowledge that he would be available for a price so below true value that basically the whole league wanted to buy him. Ashton could have just said nothing and then when the clause came out said it was that or not getting him at all and I think we would all agree it was good business for a year. It’s not a criticism but I just can’t understand what his upside was from saying what he said when he said it?
Glad I’m not the only one this has been bugging. | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 00:16 - May 30 with 1307 views | Trequartista |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 23:54 - May 29 by 05Jchamb |
I haven’t been able to shake this point either. Like you say, the deal isn’t awful by any means but it feels to me just very odd choice of words if it was only going to be a matter of time before it became common knowledge that he would be available for a price so below true value that basically the whole league wanted to buy him. Ashton could have just said nothing and then when the clause came out said it was that or not getting him at all and I think we would all agree it was good business for a year. It’s not a criticism but I just can’t understand what his upside was from saying what he said when he said it?
Glad I’m not the only one this has been bugging. |
I can only think he was caught off guard when the clause was discovered and just said one of his meaningless phrases. It wasn't the best version of himself that day! | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 07:21 - May 30 with 1006 views | dirtyboy |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 00:16 - May 30 by Trequartista |
I can only think he was caught off guard when the clause was discovered and just said one of his meaningless phrases. It wasn't the best version of himself that day! |
Let’s just hope we have a similar sell on clause as is common.
Chelsea sell to RM in 2 years for £100m, they make £70m and we pocket £10-£15m again?
That’s pretty well protected imo but we won’t know will we? |  | | |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 07:24 - May 30 with 990 views | Herbivore |
| I assume we pocket the full £30m on 20:19 - May 29 by Trequartista |
I'm of the opinion that had we not agreed to clauses insisted on by Delap and City, we wouldn't have got the player but if City have 25% of profit and the release fee is £30m, can someone tell me what Ashton meant by "very well protected" ? |
I imagine he meant we'll still make a decent profit even if we go down. The profit will be larger than any transfer fee we've received as a club. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 07:35 - May 30 with 932 views | Swansea_Blue |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 23:12 - May 29 by Trequartista |
What protection? We're gaining from Delap's rapid rise in stature, nothing to do with anything Ashton has done to leave us very well covered.
Don't know if you're aiming inflated expectations at me when i've explained already that i don't believe we'd have signed the player without the clause.
I've no problem at all with the deal, I just want to know what he means by "very well protected". That he doesn't have a free transfer clause? Is that what he means? |
I understand there’s a tendency to want to know exactly what he meant, but I doubt we’ll ever know. I’d be very surprised if he’d open up about the details of the negotiations. It’s probably one to let go, for the sake of one’s sanity!
It’s frustrating to have the income capped, but if it was that or not getting him at all, we may have got the best outcome possible. We weren’t exactly in a position to negotiate hard last summer, needing so many signings so quickly. |  |
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