| FAO: Blue Action 19:08 - Jun 1 with 6292 views | victorysquad |
What is the benefit of moving to Block A? Would love to support the initiative, but are there any plans for next season? Expansion or moving to a more prominent position?
Fed up of being in the North, they don't sing any more. So open to moving but Stand A seems ineffective.........
The vision has to be to eclipse what Palace has done, and eventually try and emulate a Dortmund style experience, but what is the vision?
discuss..... [Post edited 1 Jun 19:11]
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| FAO: Blue Action on 22:23 - Jun 1 with 1383 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| FAO: Blue Action on 21:17 - Jun 1 by Slambo |
I'm honestly not trying to be rude, but I wish anyone in SAR would stay out of these discussions. We sing non-stop, but with the best will in the world you're never going to hear us over the 3,000 away fans stood right next to you! I've barely heard the away fans all year. I can certainly SEE that they're doing something, but can barely hear them... |
“Not trying to be rude”. You were definitely trying to be rude.
I’m clearly too thick to be able to hear the difference between S6 noise and block A noise, wtf was I thinking? |  |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 22:44 - Jun 1 with 1324 views | Zx1988 |
| FAO: Blue Action on 20:05 - Jun 1 by victorysquad |
I agree 100% but what are the club doing about it? Do we have a supporters voice or not? because the current situation is farcical.
Change is needed. It is an absolute p*ss take that we have no proper home end at Portman road any more.
What is going on? What has Matt Holland got to say about the situation? he is our proxy now right? [Post edited 1 Jun 20:07]
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There pretty much isn't a supporters' voice these days. The Official Supporters Club is about as much use as a marzipan dildo. | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 22:45 - Jun 1 with 1325 views | mistert |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:47 - Jun 1 by Reuser_is_God |
Yeah, that’s the irony of it all!
& now the SBRL hate us because a few of them couldn’t see the players walk out against Liverpool. [Post edited 1 Jun 19:48]
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I'm 50 this year but had absolutely no objections to the the display at the Liverpool match or any other display...don't tar us all with the same brush 😁. Maybe they need to put something in the T&Cs that you can't complain about displays in SBRL that might nudge some people elsewhere! |  | | |
| FAO: Blue Action on 22:52 - Jun 1 with 1300 views | noubledooble |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:56 - Jun 1 by DinnernotTea |
Make north stand lower another £100 per season instead of the current cheapest seats in the ground. Immediately the old boys and girls who offer absolutely nothing in terms of making noise in our "kop" will move on. They bang on about "I've been here 30 years 40 years blah blah". No mate, you treat your season ticket as a bill and you don't won't to pay more (who can blame them).
Stand in north lower now and the average age is above 50, it is mental. And such a dull experience.
North lower was and should always be for the younger generations making a racket for 2 hours. |
I’m 56 and take offence to this. I can sing as loud as any younger supporter and do every game. |  | | |
| FAO: Blue Action on 06:23 - Jun 2 with 1157 views | trncbluearmy |
| FAO: Blue Action on 22:52 - Jun 1 by noubledooble |
I’m 56 and take offence to this. I can sing as loud as any younger supporter and do every game. |
100%
Mates and me all 60 plus sing our hearts out, surrounded by youngsters on their phones leaving 10 minutes before half time to get more pissed, come back on phones leave 10 minutes before end.
No problem with the young ultras joining us in s5 just dump the bloody phones.
The banner moan was exaggerated, as is always the case, most of us love a good banner
COYB |  | | |
| FAO: Blue Action on 06:56 - Jun 2 with 1138 views | bluelagos |
So first question is does it matter, next is where to put BA and final one is how to do it.
For me the answer is the club don't accept the premise that is matters.
Why do I say that? Because they prioritise money over atmosphere.
How else can you explain them investing in corporate sh1te lounges rather than in safe standing?
Forcing people in J block to sit down to enhance the view of the prawn sandwich once a season w@nkers that the club prioritise.
Supporters voice? pmsl. I must have missed their vocal input when Leeds charged us £52 a ticket.
The club have never given a flying fck for supporters, they have and always will prioritise making as much money as possible from us. The move would enhance the atmosphere but cost money so isn't really on the club's agenda.
Has always been thus. [Post edited 2 Jun 7:05]
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| FAO: Blue Action on 07:19 - Jun 2 with 1100 views | Dennyx4 |
| FAO: Blue Action on 06:56 - Jun 2 by bluelagos |
So first question is does it matter, next is where to put BA and final one is how to do it.
For me the answer is the club don't accept the premise that is matters.
Why do I say that? Because they prioritise money over atmosphere.
How else can you explain them investing in corporate sh1te lounges rather than in safe standing?
Forcing people in J block to sit down to enhance the view of the prawn sandwich once a season w@nkers that the club prioritise.
Supporters voice? pmsl. I must have missed their vocal input when Leeds charged us £52 a ticket.
The club have never given a flying fck for supporters, they have and always will prioritise making as much money as possible from us. The move would enhance the atmosphere but cost money so isn't really on the club's agenda.
Has always been thus. [Post edited 2 Jun 7:05]
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Would safe standing actually create more attendance?
The few that I have been in, allocate you a seat and a rail, so not sure it would solve the problem of getting enough room for Blue Action to move back into the North?
Probably should be safe standing in the North Lower, as hardly anyone sits down in there now. |  | | |
| FAO: Blue Action on 07:29 - Jun 2 with 1079 views | bluelagos |
| FAO: Blue Action on 07:19 - Jun 2 by Dennyx4 |
Would safe standing actually create more attendance?
The few that I have been in, allocate you a seat and a rail, so not sure it would solve the problem of getting enough room for Blue Action to move back into the North?
Probably should be safe standing in the North Lower, as hardly anyone sits down in there now. |
Safe standing is a cost with no additional capacity as far as i understand it. So the only real benefit is in giving fans what they want and hopefully in enhanced atmosphere.
If they club were serious about supporters they would have prioritised it, but hey, we have some lovely new corporate lounges.
Clubs priorities are clear to me. | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 07:31 - Jun 2 with 1074 views | victorysquad |
| FAO: Blue Action on 20:54 - Jun 1 by BasingstokeBlue |
So what are you proposing? Whenever a North Stander turns, say, 45 you would ship them off to the tartan-blanket-and-thermos stand (SAR/Churchmans)? We've* always sat in the SBR/North or Cobbold::A because that's where the singing happens, and that's where we'll stay., regardless of age or cost.
Are you getting your ideas from Logan's Run?.
* The missus and I. |
I think the pricing suggestion is a great idea. You make it expensive to sit in lower north if you are not in the age group of people we want in there | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 07:37 - Jun 2 with 1068 views | victorysquad |
| FAO: Blue Action on 21:11 - Jun 1 by Slambo |
It depends what you mean by ineffective though mate. All we can do is create a space where the 'active' supporters can congregate and express themselves. This is a particular issue in all-seater stadia where fans have no freedom of movement (something which 'safe standing' does nothing to address). In that regard, A Block has been a triumph. In a trying season, the noise has been relentless in there, with only a few exceptions. The noise carries consistently to section 5 NL, despite what the denizens there will tell you...
If by us going over to A Block you expected us to have all 4 sides of PR going nuts like the bombonera, then perhaps your expectations were too high! As has been mentioned many times before, you cannot make people sing if they don't want to. We're doing our bit - it's up to everyone else to join in...
That's not to say it's perfect. A Block has a LONG way to go. The club only begrudgingly went along with it and kind of rushed it through. This meant a lot of the passive fans hung around and weren't really incentivized to move out. Many good NL singers (and there are still plenty in there) are still clinging to what the NL was and are not moving over. As it stands, they're dotted about throughout NL, completed diluted, when we could be united in A Block - something that was just not possible anywhere in the NL...
So if you want to sing mate, A Block is the place for it, at least more so than anywhere else in the ground. But remember, you NEED to contribute. Remember also that it's about creating an experience, which means yours might be affected. We aim to wave flags at all points in the game. If you want a completely unobstructed view of the game at all time, then A Block might not be for you... |
I will sing don’t worry about that, but was churchmans upper ever considered?
My concern is i give up a seat in NS lower and join section A then overall we are even less effective, as you say there are only a few singers left in NS lower
But the whole thing is fairly disjointed right now
The ultimate solution is to have a kop stand, (they messed the north up by making it two tier) but assuming that is not happening any time soon, is ‘t north upper or churchmans upper a better option? Surely we could blow the roof off of that churchmans stand and be right next to the away fans | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 07:39 - Jun 2 with 1066 views | victorysquad |
| FAO: Blue Action on 21:41 - Jun 1 by Slambo |
Yeah, completely agree re age and, indeed, sex. See plenty of women getting stuck in, but are often dismissed as part of the problem. Again, spot on calling out the youngsters who like to look the part in their CP and Stone Island clobber but don't actually want to do anything...
Be warned though, safe standing is NOT the answer. You're still locked into your specific standing spot and would therefore be potentially hemmed in by a load of non singers. Also, simply ambiguously declaring it 'singing section' isn't enough. It needs to be clear what that entails and the club would need to find ways of enforcing that... |
Safe standing could work if it is first come first served | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 08:11 - Jun 2 with 1030 views | bluelagos |
| FAO: Blue Action on 07:39 - Jun 2 by victorysquad |
Safe standing could work if it is first come first served |
That's a cracking idea - the whole of the North lower - have tickets (to ensure the correct capacity) - but first in take their preferred seats with no allocated seats.
BA get there early and nab the seats behind the goal - the rest can grab what's left as they arrive.
Pretty much how it worked on the terraces back in the day.
No idea if that would meet safety standards - but if it does - that would solve it completely - albeit the "I've sat here for 20 years and own this seat" crowd would be unhappy. | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 08:23 - Jun 2 with 1019 views | yesjohn99 |
| FAO: Blue Action on 06:56 - Jun 2 by bluelagos |
So first question is does it matter, next is where to put BA and final one is how to do it.
For me the answer is the club don't accept the premise that is matters.
Why do I say that? Because they prioritise money over atmosphere.
How else can you explain them investing in corporate sh1te lounges rather than in safe standing?
Forcing people in J block to sit down to enhance the view of the prawn sandwich once a season w@nkers that the club prioritise.
Supporters voice? pmsl. I must have missed their vocal input when Leeds charged us £52 a ticket.
The club have never given a flying fck for supporters, they have and always will prioritise making as much money as possible from us. The move would enhance the atmosphere but cost money so isn't really on the club's agenda.
Has always been thus. [Post edited 2 Jun 7:05]
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Exactly this.
The new owners have been great so far in what we have achieved.
But as you say, at the end of the day it’s all about £££ (or $$$ in our case!).
Hence why my ST is nearly 20% more than it was when we were last in the championship and they’ve knocked team card points on the head. There will be more to come.
At a time when we’re told the club has never been richer. | | | |
| FAO: Blue Action on 08:47 - Jun 2 with 983 views | Leaky |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:56 - Jun 1 by DinnernotTea |
Make north stand lower another £100 per season instead of the current cheapest seats in the ground. Immediately the old boys and girls who offer absolutely nothing in terms of making noise in our "kop" will move on. They bang on about "I've been here 30 years 40 years blah blah". No mate, you treat your season ticket as a bill and you don't won't to pay more (who can blame them).
Stand in north lower now and the average age is above 50, it is mental. And such a dull experience.
North lower was and should always be for the younger generations making a racket for 2 hours. |
So are you proposing an age cap. What then happens when the young uns get my seat in SBR lower, meet a girl/bloke and decidide they would prefer getting there end away, instead of going to footy. I'm 74 sit in section 5 I still sing.Its the tourists who sit in front me don't, different group each week. |  | | |
| FAO: Blue Action on 09:09 - Jun 2 with 921 views | victorysquad |
| FAO: Blue Action on 08:47 - Jun 2 by Leaky |
So are you proposing an age cap. What then happens when the young uns get my seat in SBR lower, meet a girl/bloke and decidide they would prefer getting there end away, instead of going to footy. I'm 74 sit in section 5 I still sing.Its the tourists who sit in front me don't, different group each week. |
I think you are always going to have upset some people Leaky. But I think they can achieve a lot through pricing. ie. make it much less attractive for > 50 year olds (I am one of them btw) to want to sit in the Lower North. Then, if you are 50+ and you really want to sing then you should in theory be able to cough up the dough to go in there, because at 50 you are theoretically able to swallow an extra £150 on a season ticket price if singing is really that important to you. | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 09:26 - Jun 2 with 882 views | Slambo |
| FAO: Blue Action on 07:39 - Jun 2 by victorysquad |
Safe standing could work if it is first come first served |
Absolutely - but it's not allowed! The green guide I think it's called has something like 14 stipulations to get a licensed 'safe standing area'. I'm paraphrasing, but the salient points are:
1/ person per standing space
2/ a named person per standing space
3/ a seat must still be offered per standing space. I'm not making it up: an FC must offer a seat in order to qualify for a standing area!
To reiterate what I said before, the entire English game is hardwired to stifle any sort of independent fan culture. It's not about - and never had anything to do with - 'safety', but control. Call me a massive conspiracy nut, but I fail to see how it can be interpreted any other way... |  |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 09:43 - Jun 2 with 847 views | noubledooble |
| FAO: Blue Action on 06:23 - Jun 2 by trncbluearmy |
100%
Mates and me all 60 plus sing our hearts out, surrounded by youngsters on their phones leaving 10 minutes before half time to get more pissed, come back on phones leave 10 minutes before end.
No problem with the young ultras joining us in s5 just dump the bloody phones.
The banner moan was exaggerated, as is always the case, most of us love a good banner
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Spot on. I still believe Blue action should be in the north but unfortunately moving them all was impossible. Maybe having the drummer in there with just a few to start with might be enough to get both stands in unison. In section 5 where I stand there’s often 3 songs going at once the drum in the middle will help. The banner thing was exaggerated no one near me complained I for one loved being part of the tifos in there. Blue action please don’t make it an age thing. Stronger and louder together. | | | |
| FAO: Blue Action on 09:48 - Jun 2 with 846 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Is the issue not just that we don't have a very noisy home support these days.
Those in A block give it a go. Then a smattering of people in the lower north. But aside from that most of the ground are more than happy to just sit and watch the game. Which is there right to do that, I think its a shame but to me that's just how most of our fans want to operate.
Even last season, when we were winning every week, scoring loads of goals I didn't think our home support was particularly noisy. It had moments, but in the most part it was just a bit flat. Not sure how you can solve that problem unless you replace half the ground. |  |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 10:31 - Jun 2 with 765 views | Leaky |
| FAO: Blue Action on 09:48 - Jun 2 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Is the issue not just that we don't have a very noisy home support these days.
Those in A block give it a go. Then a smattering of people in the lower north. But aside from that most of the ground are more than happy to just sit and watch the game. Which is there right to do that, I think its a shame but to me that's just how most of our fans want to operate.
Even last season, when we were winning every week, scoring loads of goals I didn't think our home support was particularly noisy. It had moments, but in the most part it was just a bit flat. Not sure how you can solve that problem unless you replace half the ground. |
To be honest how many grounds have been noisy, not many in the Prem. To be fair as much as I hate to admit it Elland Road has probably been the noisiest. | | | |
| FAO: Blue Action on 10:35 - Jun 2 with 760 views | Luk38644 |
S5 ST holder here, have been for 13 years – I’m fully behind what BA as anything that helps improve atmosphere is a bonus, especially the displays, however there are a few things I just don’t quite get when it comes to BA.
First off, I’ve never understood the wanting to command S5 thing – I get they want to be central behind the goal, but the reality is that there are alot of people in there who sing already (myself included) who would be hoofed out for basically not being part of BA. No group should take priority over seating over anyone else, but I’m sure BA are accepting of this hence the move to Block A.
The move just doesn’t seem to have worked & if we’re looking at it in a simplistic way, they’ve moved out of the NSL, taken a load of singers with them meaning the vocal supporters are now split across and even wider area and into another stand, because there are still lots of singers in S4 & S5. I do understand their gripe with people in the NSL who don’t sing, trust me, it irks me too as I don’t see the point being in there unless you add to the atmosphere, but splitting away from the NSL doesn’t feel like the answer as, lets be honest, the Cobbold will never be the home to a singing section, it’s just not suitable for it at all – it will always be NSL and so it should be. The only time I could see that changing is after a Cobbold redevelopment and even then, that will be for more corporate/posher seats than the ‘rowdy lot’.
I just feel BA moving away has split us all apart when we all need to be in the NSL together somehow – I’m not sure how that is possible, but letting them command S5 just because it’s a ‘group’ isn’t the answer. Maybe the club could hold back non-renewal seats in S5/S6 and then BA get first dibs on them so over time, they filter back in? I’m not sure – I hope they find a way but atm, it feels like a huge chunk of voal fans have moved out of the natural singing heart of PR which is a bad thing. |  | | |
| FAO: Blue Action on 10:44 - Jun 2 with 723 views | Leaky |
| FAO: Blue Action on 09:48 - Jun 2 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Is the issue not just that we don't have a very noisy home support these days.
Those in A block give it a go. Then a smattering of people in the lower north. But aside from that most of the ground are more than happy to just sit and watch the game. Which is there right to do that, I think its a shame but to me that's just how most of our fans want to operate.
Even last season, when we were winning every week, scoring loads of goals I didn't think our home support was particularly noisy. It had moments, but in the most part it was just a bit flat. Not sure how you can solve that problem unless you replace half the ground. |
Plenty of noise at away games as has been noted by sevreral EPL teams this season. Its just getting them together in PR | | | |
| FAO: Blue Action on 12:16 - Jun 2 with 638 views | Slambo |
| FAO: Blue Action on 06:56 - Jun 2 by bluelagos |
So first question is does it matter, next is where to put BA and final one is how to do it.
For me the answer is the club don't accept the premise that is matters.
Why do I say that? Because they prioritise money over atmosphere.
How else can you explain them investing in corporate sh1te lounges rather than in safe standing?
Forcing people in J block to sit down to enhance the view of the prawn sandwich once a season w@nkers that the club prioritise.
Supporters voice? pmsl. I must have missed their vocal input when Leeds charged us £52 a ticket.
The club have never given a flying fck for supporters, they have and always will prioritise making as much money as possible from us. The move would enhance the atmosphere but cost money so isn't really on the club's agenda.
Has always been thus. [Post edited 2 Jun 7:05]
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What's ironic is having a massive block of, say, 2,000 ultras behind the goal, flags waving, smoke bombs billowing, non-stop drumming and singing, big choreos and tifos would look and sound incredible both live and on tv and would thus enhance the business..!! They could even tack a premium on some of those executive seats to account for the better experience. It is in English football's commercial interest to empower groups like ours. Never ceases to amaze me how these successful businessmen show such poor business acumen in this area. Then again, I guess what they'd prefer to do (see Sunderland most recently) is enable a puppet group to crowd fund some tifo and have it knocked up in a Chinese sweatshop while a Marketing bod types something into ChatGPT for a banner. The club can then give the illusion of an independent fan scene, get some cool snaps for the socials, whilst not having to have any deal with uppity fans like me... | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 12:36 - Jun 2 with 572 views | TheMoralMajority |
| FAO: Blue Action on 09:09 - Jun 2 by victorysquad |
I think you are always going to have upset some people Leaky. But I think they can achieve a lot through pricing. ie. make it much less attractive for > 50 year olds (I am one of them btw) to want to sit in the Lower North. Then, if you are 50+ and you really want to sing then you should in theory be able to cough up the dough to go in there, because at 50 you are theoretically able to swallow an extra £150 on a season ticket price if singing is really that important to you. |
Yeah. This is called age discrimination. Absolute non-starter. |  |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 12:46 - Jun 2 with 550 views | Leaky |
| FAO: Blue Action on 09:09 - Jun 2 by victorysquad |
I think you are always going to have upset some people Leaky. But I think they can achieve a lot through pricing. ie. make it much less attractive for > 50 year olds (I am one of them btw) to want to sit in the Lower North. Then, if you are 50+ and you really want to sing then you should in theory be able to cough up the dough to go in there, because at 50 you are theoretically able to swallow an extra £150 on a season ticket price if singing is really that important to you. |
What then happens if the plus 50's take the hit on the price hike and renew. the club make a hansome profit, ther's still no place for Blue Action | | | |
| FAO: Blue Action on 12:54 - Jun 2 with 529 views | Farmerpiles |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:56 - Jun 1 by DinnernotTea |
Make north stand lower another £100 per season instead of the current cheapest seats in the ground. Immediately the old boys and girls who offer absolutely nothing in terms of making noise in our "kop" will move on. They bang on about "I've been here 30 years 40 years blah blah". No mate, you treat your season ticket as a bill and you don't won't to pay more (who can blame them).
Stand in north lower now and the average age is above 50, it is mental. And such a dull experience.
North lower was and should always be for the younger generations making a racket for 2 hours. |
Assume your still hold that view when you get into your 50s like me, and offer to give your seat up to 'the young fans' who 'make a racket'. I still sing my heart out, age has nothing to do with it. Some of the younger generation of fans around me in Section 5 talk utter boll@cks, never mind sing. |  | | |
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