| Guiu talks ongoing 07:29 - Jun 5 with 8957 views | EssexBloo |
Doesn’t sound like an easy deal to get done, especially with the original story saying he wasn’t keen on the move.
Is it one we can get done to you think Phil? Feels to me he’s waiting for better offers and that we will miss out. |  | | |  |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:18 - Jun 5 with 3465 views | itfcsuth |
He’s very raw.
Wouldn’t be falling over ourselves to try and get anything done, especially if the player don’t have the appetite to be here. |  | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:19 - Jun 5 with 3455 views | StokieBlue |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:18 - Jun 5 by itfcsuth |
He’s very raw.
Wouldn’t be falling over ourselves to try and get anything done, especially if the player don’t have the appetite to be here. |
You wrote that on another thread and it was countered by a Spanish based poster and a few others.
What are you basing "very raw" on?
I've not seen much of him so am interested to know, he's scored when he's played it seems and in reality we aren't going to be able to afford the finished produce so "raw" with large upside is probably where we are aiming.
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:21 - Jun 5 with 3446 views | BarcaBlue |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:56 - Jun 5 by Pinewoodblue |
Think they have restrictions in place and unable to register new players. |
That's not completely correct. Today they signed Garcia from Espanyol and have made enquiries about Luis Diaz. They are having to get rid of players to sign new ones but they're not under any kind of transfer embargo. |  | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:21 - Jun 5 with 3444 views | Herbivore |
It does sound like it'd be a hell of a coup if we pulled it off and it seems there's some wrangling over whether this would be a loan or a permanent deal if we could get it done. I wonder if it might end up being a loan with a commitment to buy if we go up, perhaps. In any case, a player of that calibre is going to have options, some of which will, on paper, be much more attractive than joining us in the Championship. It's going to be a tricky one to do. |  |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:22 - Jun 5 with 3436 views | hype313 |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:17 - Jun 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're using hindsight. These were seemingly difficult deals at the time. |
In comparison to Guiu, I think they were easier to do than this guy.
Morsy was told he was surplus, and even if dropping a division was on his mind, he was going to a club with bags of cash and playing for a manager he had previous relationship and success with.
Not sure there was a huge demand for Phillips last summer given his stint at WH.
Happy to agree to disagree though. |  |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:25 - Jun 5 with 3400 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:45 - Jun 5 by DanTheMan |
I'm not saying it's impossible or that we shouldn't try, I doubt we'd keep trying if there was no interest but if it's a choice between a top European league and the Championship then I think most players would choose the former. |
You're just repeating yourself in a slightly different way.
Many players would choose what they see as the long-term best pathway, including coaching if they're young, the vision (and plans actually happening) of the owners, and, of course, the money on offer.
To your point, the case could be put that Ipswich are only temporarily out of the best European league. The bookies have us favourites to bounce back as Champions.
All this is what they'll be talking about in the "ongoing talks". Just saying top European leagues v Championship is a bit too simplistic IMO. |  |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:31 - Jun 5 with 3367 views | BloomBlue |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:18 - Jun 5 by itfcsuth |
He’s very raw.
Wouldn’t be falling over ourselves to try and get anything done, especially if the player don’t have the appetite to be here. |
Wasn't Delap 'raw'?
Didn't work out too badly did it. |  | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:35 - Jun 5 with 3346 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:22 - Jun 5 by hype313 |
In comparison to Guiu, I think they were easier to do than this guy.
Morsy was told he was surplus, and even if dropping a division was on his mind, he was going to a club with bags of cash and playing for a manager he had previous relationship and success with.
Not sure there was a huge demand for Phillips last summer given his stint at WH.
Happy to agree to disagree though. |
I wasn't really comparing them, just highlighting that difficult deals do get done. | |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:36 - Jun 5 with 3341 views | hype313 |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:35 - Jun 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I wasn't really comparing them, just highlighting that difficult deals do get done. |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 11:59 - Jun 5 with 3183 views | BarcaBlue |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:18 - Jun 5 by itfcsuth |
He’s very raw.
Wouldn’t be falling over ourselves to try and get anything done, especially if the player don’t have the appetite to be here. |
If you keep repeating this, it doesn't make it any more true. He's in no way "very raw" - it's nonsense. Players don't successfully come through the Masia and debut (and score)for Barça if they are not completely ready to hold their own at the top of La Liga. They don't either go on to debut in the Premier or score a hat-trick in a European competition. It's a bizarre take. He's young and consequently has limited experience but in no way "very raw".
The logical reason for any reticence in joining a Championship club is because after debuting and scoring for both Barça and Chelsea he probably has his sights set a lot higher, and understandably so. | | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 12:15 - Jun 5 with 3135 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:21 - Jun 5 by Herbivore |
It does sound like it'd be a hell of a coup if we pulled it off and it seems there's some wrangling over whether this would be a loan or a permanent deal if we could get it done. I wonder if it might end up being a loan with a commitment to buy if we go up, perhaps. In any case, a player of that calibre is going to have options, some of which will, on paper, be much more attractive than joining us in the Championship. It's going to be a tricky one to do. |
Agree on this. He must be deliberating as on the one hand its dropping down to the second tier in England when his sights are set very high. If he goes t a big club, then as with Chelsea, he will be a bench warmer. On the other hand, he can look at what Mckenna has done with Delap and Htchinson, and see that he could come to a club that are hot favourites to win the Championship, he'd play every week, establish himself in the side as the main #9 in time for a real crack in the Premier League next season. So its long view vs short term view. We know what Omari chose. |  |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 12:26 - Jun 5 with 3075 views | DarkBrandon |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:17 - Jun 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're using hindsight. These were seemingly difficult deals at the time. |
They were. Morsy in particular was viewed as something of a coup. Plenty of Boro fans online were disappointed. IIRC he wouldn't have dropped a league for another manager.
But then he didn't play fantastically under Cook, McKenna came in and the rest is history. |  | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 17:57 - Jun 5 with 2774 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:21 - Jun 5 by Herbivore |
It does sound like it'd be a hell of a coup if we pulled it off and it seems there's some wrangling over whether this would be a loan or a permanent deal if we could get it done. I wonder if it might end up being a loan with a commitment to buy if we go up, perhaps. In any case, a player of that calibre is going to have options, some of which will, on paper, be much more attractive than joining us in the Championship. It's going to be a tricky one to do. |
Would be absolutely shocked if it was permeant deal as a Championship club. |  | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 18:00 - Jun 5 with 2756 views | textbackup |
I expect the striker search to drag on all summer… we then end up with Hirst and AAH going into the season. |  |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 18:10 - Jun 5 with 2675 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 18:00 - Jun 5 by textbackup |
I expect the striker search to drag on all summer… we then end up with Hirst and AAH going into the season. |
Surely no chance AAH plays for us again, something has gone wrong if he does tbh with our current financials. | | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 16:43 - Jun 11 with 2060 views | SheffordBlue |
Has been named in the Chelsea squad for the Club World Cup so if we are still pursuing this as an option nothing will happen soon | |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 18:01 - Jun 11 with 1686 views | Rimsy |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 16:43 - Jun 11 by SheffordBlue |
Has been named in the Chelsea squad for the Club World Cup so if we are still pursuing this as an option nothing will happen soon |
Oh well, move on. Can't afford to be chasing certain players all summer then end up short of options, like last year. |  |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 18:15 - Jun 11 with 1593 views | positivity |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 16:43 - Jun 11 by SheffordBlue |
Has been named in the Chelsea squad for the Club World Cup so if we are still pursuing this as an option nothing will happen soon |
don't think it changes anything, was never likely to come in the mini window, especially if it's a loan. | |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 18:29 - Jun 11 with 1464 views | OldFart71 |
I think the big problem is that when we were last in the Championship (Not that long ago I know) we could entice players with a grand scheme of new facilities, larger stadium and the Premier League and although of course we can still say our ambition is the Premier League a player will look at where we have been and where we are now and think "Well you were there and failed" what's to say if in the event we did get promoted I'll be looking for another club in a couple of seasons.
I know not all players will look at things that way. But players that are already at Premier League clubs will I suggest view things a bit differently. Hence why we signed so many players that were at Championship clubs and are now being touted for moves to clubs promoted or already in the Prem.
No easy task. | | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 18:41 - Jun 11 with 1368 views | ArnieM |
Sorry to ask, but is he actually any good? I’ve never heard of him, not that that’s any guideline. |  |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 18:57 - Jun 11 with 1278 views | SheffordBlue |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 18:29 - Jun 11 by OldFart71 |
I think the big problem is that when we were last in the Championship (Not that long ago I know) we could entice players with a grand scheme of new facilities, larger stadium and the Premier League and although of course we can still say our ambition is the Premier League a player will look at where we have been and where we are now and think "Well you were there and failed" what's to say if in the event we did get promoted I'll be looking for another club in a couple of seasons.
I know not all players will look at things that way. But players that are already at Premier League clubs will I suggest view things a bit differently. Hence why we signed so many players that were at Championship clubs and are now being touted for moves to clubs promoted or already in the Prem.
No easy task. |
I think equally players will look at how relegated clubs have got on the following season and seen that they generally (Luton being an exception) are very competitive for promotion the following year. It's likely that we'll be the same and attacking players coming to us might fancy their chances of scoring lots of goals. | |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 19:08 - Jun 11 with 1202 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:31 - Jun 5 by BloomBlue |
Wasn't Delap 'raw'?
Didn't work out too badly did it. |
That’s what I’d be saying if I was his agent. ‘You go with Kieran fella, he’ll look after you and improve you. Then, one day, you too might get a move to Chelsea’. |  |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 20:29 - Jun 11 with 893 views | JeremiahBrown |
Hopefully Delap may speak to him and put in a good word for Ipswich and McKenna. | | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 20:50 - Jun 11 with 772 views | ITFCSG |
If he doesn't want to come or think he's too big for a Championship club then cast the net elsewhere ASAP. It seems McK has a certain fixation towards certain players he targets and closes his mind towards the entire transfer pool, which results in us failing to sign effective players in the needed positions throughout the past few transfer windows. Ben Godfrey ffs. Look at what happened last summer with Ioannidis, Broja, Philogene and Latte Lath and Downes in January. Its not new. Remember Camara and Ahadme?
Imperative to get new signings in early, more last minute desperation signings we would either be left with Hirst and AAH come August. Or another AAH-like signing from League One and Two. | | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 21:32 - Jun 11 with 621 views | Big_Jase |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 20:50 - Jun 11 by ITFCSG |
If he doesn't want to come or think he's too big for a Championship club then cast the net elsewhere ASAP. It seems McK has a certain fixation towards certain players he targets and closes his mind towards the entire transfer pool, which results in us failing to sign effective players in the needed positions throughout the past few transfer windows. Ben Godfrey ffs. Look at what happened last summer with Ioannidis, Broja, Philogene and Latte Lath and Downes in January. Its not new. Remember Camara and Ahadme?
Imperative to get new signings in early, more last minute desperation signings we would either be left with Hirst and AAH come August. Or another AAH-like signing from League One and Two. |
It’s 11th June, relax.
Most players we will be targeting either on international duty or on a well deserved holiday. Deals will happen and players will be in the door before pre-season. |  |
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