| Guiu talks ongoing 07:29 - Jun 5 with 4683 views | EssexBloo |
Doesn’t sound like an easy deal to get done, especially with the original story saying he wasn’t keen on the move.
Is it one we can get done to you think Phil? Feels to me he’s waiting for better offers and that we will miss out. |  | | |  |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 08:02 - Jun 5 with 3227 views | RegencyBlue |
Trying to sign potential Premier League quality players in the Championship isn’t going to be easy so talks are going to be difficult, for want of a better word, generally I’d guess, not just with this guy.
Having said that we can’t afford to waste as much time chasing players as we seemed to do with some last summer, ultimately to no effect. Easy for me to say as an outsider looking in but we have some serious gaps in the squad to fill and the sooner that’s done the better. |  | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 08:36 - Jun 5 with 2887 views | Axeldalai_lama |
Yet another factor in the cut and paste 'buy him, he's good' world people want.
Do we attempt to get difficult deals over the line with better players which take longer and may fall through more often, or do we 'settle' for middle players who will be happy to come quick and get bedded in? Wait for answers from the better players and we might miss out on that second group and end up making do with lesser players late on.
I don't know the right answer, let's hope the club can broadly get it right. |  | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 08:43 - Jun 5 with 2798 views | StokieBlue |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 08:36 - Jun 5 by Axeldalai_lama |
Yet another factor in the cut and paste 'buy him, he's good' world people want.
Do we attempt to get difficult deals over the line with better players which take longer and may fall through more often, or do we 'settle' for middle players who will be happy to come quick and get bedded in? Wait for answers from the better players and we might miss out on that second group and end up making do with lesser players late on.
I don't know the right answer, let's hope the club can broadly get it right. |
I think we have to persevere with the better players, especially if it's a purchase and they are going to be here next season.
We need to be getting players who can play this season and get that experience to kick-on in the PL.
Last season demonstrated that "middle players" as you describe them won't be enough and we will just need to rebuild again if we go up.
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 08:45 - Jun 5 with 2784 views | Zx1988 |
I can understand why he might be reticent - taking off the blue-tinted specs, I can't see that there's a great deal of upside for him in even a loan to Ipswich.
I think the biggest selling point, and what the club needs to lean on, is the fact that he'd be getting a season of development under a coach who is developing an excellent reputation for improving young talent.
Otherwise, from a pure football point of view, it seems a bit of a risky deal. Spend a season tearing up the Championship, and he's done no more than would be expected of a top-level ex-Barca graduate with an almost 1-in-1.5 scoring record in European competition.
If he struggles... well... [Post edited 5 Jun 8:47]
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 08:46 - Jun 5 with 2763 views | DanTheMan |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 08:45 - Jun 5 by Zx1988 |
I can understand why he might be reticent - taking off the blue-tinted specs, I can't see that there's a great deal of upside for him in even a loan to Ipswich.
I think the biggest selling point, and what the club needs to lean on, is the fact that he'd be getting a season of development under a coach who is developing an excellent reputation for improving young talent.
Otherwise, from a pure football point of view, it seems a bit of a risky deal. Spend a season tearing up the Championship, and he's done no more than would be expected of a top-level ex-Barca graduate with an almost 1-in-1.5 scoring record in European competition.
If he struggles... well... [Post edited 5 Jun 8:47]
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If I were him and I had other suitors in Europe, I know which option I'm picking. |  |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 08:48 - Jun 5 with 2725 views | Pinewoodblue |
Reaching a deal with a player who doesn’t want to get stuck in Championship isn’t going to be easy.
For a start his agent is going to want a release clause if we don’t go back up straight away.
We have to stay calm and leave it to Ashton & Co. |  |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 08:48 - Jun 5 with 2711 views | Zx1988 |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 08:46 - Jun 5 by DanTheMan |
If I were him and I had other suitors in Europe, I know which option I'm picking. |
Same here.
That's the challenge for Town in so many ways - convincing him that we're a better option than, say, Frankfurt whilst, at the same time, balancing showing the player how much we want him with being able to set a red line beyond which we drop our interest and start looking elsewhere. | |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:17 - Jun 5 with 2517 views | franz_tyson |
If he's not keen on coming to us in the Championship then we shouldn't push it too much. I don't take it personally if he thinks he can do better, but we don't want anyone here who's not totally committed. | | | |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:17 - Jun 5 with 2512 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 08:46 - Jun 5 by DanTheMan |
If I were him and I had other suitors in Europe, I know which option I'm picking. |
Quite, but that objective thinking is sometimes lacking.
Take off your blue tinted specs and we're barely a more attractive proposition than Southampton. He's a young lad who has come through La Masia, he's spent his whole life being told how good he is, how he's destined for greatness. He's played senior football for Barcelona and had top clubs trying to get him out of there 12 months ago and landed at Chelsea.
I can't imagine the prospect of signing for a Championship club was ever on his bingo card, and I dare say as the window goes on the competition will intensify. I don't really see much value for him in committing to us now, he might as well sit tight and see what else comes up. That's not to say we have no chance at all, but its not an easy sell is it. |  | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:22 - Jun 5 with 2452 views | Zx1988 |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:17 - Jun 5 by _clive_baker_ |
Quite, but that objective thinking is sometimes lacking.
Take off your blue tinted specs and we're barely a more attractive proposition than Southampton. He's a young lad who has come through La Masia, he's spent his whole life being told how good he is, how he's destined for greatness. He's played senior football for Barcelona and had top clubs trying to get him out of there 12 months ago and landed at Chelsea.
I can't imagine the prospect of signing for a Championship club was ever on his bingo card, and I dare say as the window goes on the competition will intensify. I don't really see much value for him in committing to us now, he might as well sit tight and see what else comes up. That's not to say we have no chance at all, but its not an easy sell is it. |
Which must make the whole thing particularly annoying for Ashton & Co.
Say their professional assessment is that there is a 50%-75% chance of landing Guiu, but the club might have to wait until mid-August to realise that chance. In the meantime, a Josh Sargent-type striker without the injury record becomes available, and has a 100% chance of signing in July if the club want him.
Both will want to be nailed-on starters, so you can't have both.
Do you stick on Striker B, or hold out for the 60% chance of landing Guiu? | |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:24 - Jun 5 with 2412 views | hype313 |
He'll have plenty of offers from abroad, all playing in their respective top divisions with the option of Europe on the table.
Reach for the stars by all means, but if he's not keen from the outset, then you don't really want to be wasting too much time trying to sell the project. |  |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:26 - Jun 5 with 2391 views | Kieran_Knows |
But if he wasn’t keen on the move then why are Town still negotiating for him? If he’s got all these supposedly suitors in Europe, and there was no way he fancied a move to us, then him or his agent would just say that. |  |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:28 - Jun 5 with 2357 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:17 - Jun 5 by franz_tyson |
If he's not keen on coming to us in the Championship then we shouldn't push it too much. I don't take it personally if he thinks he can do better, but we don't want anyone here who's not totally committed. |
If he is the player we really want we should absolutely be pushing it. |  |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:29 - Jun 5 with 2341 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:22 - Jun 5 by Zx1988 |
Which must make the whole thing particularly annoying for Ashton & Co.
Say their professional assessment is that there is a 50%-75% chance of landing Guiu, but the club might have to wait until mid-August to realise that chance. In the meantime, a Josh Sargent-type striker without the injury record becomes available, and has a 100% chance of signing in July if the club want him.
Both will want to be nailed-on starters, so you can't have both.
Do you stick on Striker B, or hold out for the 60% chance of landing Guiu? |
Yep, that's the challenge when recruiting. Is 1 in the hand worth 2 in the bush? We've got finite resources and squad places and they need to be used well. I imagine that's why we're trying to get the deal done early in this initial window, otherwise as you say we might have to pivot and explore other options.
Never know what happens behind the scenes but last year it didn't feel like we got it right. To have AAH as the 3rd option (2nd when Hirst got injured) can't have been part of the plan. We chased various forwards like Latte-Lath, Broja and the Greek lad which didn't materialise. | | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:30 - Jun 5 with 2335 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:17 - Jun 5 by _clive_baker_ |
Quite, but that objective thinking is sometimes lacking.
Take off your blue tinted specs and we're barely a more attractive proposition than Southampton. He's a young lad who has come through La Masia, he's spent his whole life being told how good he is, how he's destined for greatness. He's played senior football for Barcelona and had top clubs trying to get him out of there 12 months ago and landed at Chelsea.
I can't imagine the prospect of signing for a Championship club was ever on his bingo card, and I dare say as the window goes on the competition will intensify. I don't really see much value for him in committing to us now, he might as well sit tight and see what else comes up. That's not to say we have no chance at all, but its not an easy sell is it. |
I guess it depends how much influence Chelsea have in the matter. Ultimately he is their asset. If they think a season playing regularly and scoring goals under McKenna is in their/his best interests then I imagine that will count for something.
Saying that, if we don't get it wrapped up quickly, I think our chances diminish. From what I gather there are 2/3 players we are hoping to get quick deals done for as 'priority targets' before other clubs start working their way down lists. | | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:35 - Jun 5 with 2289 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 08:46 - Jun 5 by DanTheMan |
If I were him and I had other suitors in Europe, I know which option I'm picking. |
If you didn't know anything about the club, which he probably wouldn't have done initially, then yeah. That's where the talks come in and we sell him McKenna and The Project. If the club sells a big enough dream then he might well be interested.
We managed to get Delap. We persuaded Philips, which some thought unlikely (it wasn't a huge success but that's beside the point). We managed to get Morsy and others down to League 1. So it's possible that players who you'd think would be reluctant can be sold the vision and potential. |  |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:39 - Jun 5 with 2243 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:26 - Jun 5 by Kieran_Knows |
But if he wasn’t keen on the move then why are Town still negotiating for him? If he’s got all these supposedly suitors in Europe, and there was no way he fancied a move to us, then him or his agent would just say that. |
Because he meets our needs and it doesn’t involve money changing hands. Priced at £10m the amount still outstanding from the sale of Delap.
Going to need a lot of patience. | |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:43 - Jun 5 with 2165 views | hype313 |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:35 - Jun 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
If you didn't know anything about the club, which he probably wouldn't have done initially, then yeah. That's where the talks come in and we sell him McKenna and The Project. If the club sells a big enough dream then he might well be interested.
We managed to get Delap. We persuaded Philips, which some thought unlikely (it wasn't a huge success but that's beside the point). We managed to get Morsy and others down to League 1. So it's possible that players who you'd think would be reluctant can be sold the vision and potential. |
To be fair, getting Morsy away wasn't a difficult job given he'd been told by Boro he was surplus, Phillips got another chance to prove his worth having spent years living off previous form.
This guy is from la Masia, very sought after and Barca were fuming he left. | |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:45 - Jun 5 with 2136 views | DanTheMan |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:35 - Jun 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
If you didn't know anything about the club, which he probably wouldn't have done initially, then yeah. That's where the talks come in and we sell him McKenna and The Project. If the club sells a big enough dream then he might well be interested.
We managed to get Delap. We persuaded Philips, which some thought unlikely (it wasn't a huge success but that's beside the point). We managed to get Morsy and others down to League 1. So it's possible that players who you'd think would be reluctant can be sold the vision and potential. |
I'm not saying it's impossible or that we shouldn't try, I doubt we'd keep trying if there was no interest but if it's a choice between a top European league and the Championship then I think most players would choose the former. | |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:45 - Jun 5 with 2130 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:43 - Jun 5 by hype313 |
To be fair, getting Morsy away wasn't a difficult job given he'd been told by Boro he was surplus, Phillips got another chance to prove his worth having spent years living off previous form.
This guy is from la Masia, very sought after and Barca were fuming he left. |
Does rather beg the question why they wouldn't try and get him back if the £10m figure is reliable? Its nothing to them, unless its a matter of principle now / burnt bridges. | | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:52 - Jun 5 with 1998 views | hype313 |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:45 - Jun 5 by _clive_baker_ |
Does rather beg the question why they wouldn't try and get him back if the £10m figure is reliable? Its nothing to them, unless its a matter of principle now / burnt bridges. |
€1.9b in debt on the books currently, I suppose what's another £10m but they are in serious financial peril. | |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:56 - Jun 5 with 1938 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:52 - Jun 5 by hype313 |
€1.9b in debt on the books currently, I suppose what's another £10m but they are in serious financial peril. |
Think they have restrictions in place and unable to register new players. | |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:59 - Jun 5 with 1890 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 08:45 - Jun 5 by Zx1988 |
I can understand why he might be reticent - taking off the blue-tinted specs, I can't see that there's a great deal of upside for him in even a loan to Ipswich.
I think the biggest selling point, and what the club needs to lean on, is the fact that he'd be getting a season of development under a coach who is developing an excellent reputation for improving young talent.
Otherwise, from a pure football point of view, it seems a bit of a risky deal. Spend a season tearing up the Championship, and he's done no more than would be expected of a top-level ex-Barca graduate with an almost 1-in-1.5 scoring record in European competition.
If he struggles... well... [Post edited 5 Jun 8:47]
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Is the manager who wants him now going to be the manager come the end of the window? If Frank goes to Spurs and Brentford go in for McKenna... |  |
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| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:11 - Jun 5 with 1784 views | Bluedandy |
Does Guiu know that we beat Johan Cruyff's Barcelona three nil?
That might swing it, just don't mention the second leg. | | | |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 10:17 - Jun 5 with 1696 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Guiu talks ongoing on 09:43 - Jun 5 by hype313 |
To be fair, getting Morsy away wasn't a difficult job given he'd been told by Boro he was surplus, Phillips got another chance to prove his worth having spent years living off previous form.
This guy is from la Masia, very sought after and Barca were fuming he left. |
You're using hindsight. These were seemingly difficult deals at the time. | |
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