| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:37 - Jun 5 with 1116 views | StokieBlue |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:31 - Jun 5 by ElderGrizzly |
I imagine we're going to be in a situation where we don't need to sell, but the player makes it clear if a deal can be done, he'd like to leave.
Wage difference? Ambition? Location? With those linked all being further up North for O'Shea may be a draw.
Does anyone know, did he ever buy somewhere down here when he joined, or is his family still up near Burnley? |
This is unfortunately the case but it's getting boring - if you don't want to be held to a contract then perhaps don't sign the contract in the first place? I know the reality is different but it's annoying.
Not sure those teams are hugely ambitious.
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| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:38 - Jun 5 with 1103 views | textbackup |
I happen to know his preferred choice of CB partner |  |
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| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:38 - Jun 5 with 1108 views | Churchman |
If the player wants to go, like any other who feels that way let them go. For a premium for a year’s Premier League experience plus transfer fee inflation. He’s also is under contract and we don’t need to sell.
I hope he wants to stay and does. If not, we move on. Mind you if the story is from the bog rag sun, I doubt there’s any substance to it. [Post edited 5 Jun 15:51]
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| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:42 - Jun 5 with 1084 views | portmanking |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:38 - Jun 5 by textbackup |
I happen to know his preferred choice of CB partner |
I actually think he'd work best with Woolfie. Woolfie doing the sweeping up role and Dara being the aggressive stopper. |  | | |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:43 - Jun 5 with 1075 views | PhilTWTD |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:35 - Jun 5 by StokieBlue |
It's not though really because as others have said, we will probably look to replace him so some of that money will be spent on a replacement.
It's been posted on here that Hutch has a release clause - might be nonsense but if it's not then we can't repel a certain level of bid.
With regards to capital, I didn't think we really need to sell to repel bids?
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Wouldn't surprise me if O'Shea has a release clause as well. If you were an agent selling a player to a club you thought had a good chance of relegation, then you'd look to add one in, wouldn't you? Hutchinson definitely has one, £35m, but that's probably more than anyone would offer for him at the moment. |  | | |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:46 - Jun 5 with 1043 views | BlueDove |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:33 - Jun 5 by portmanking |
Yep, he's quick and a beast in the air, but his distribution is bang average (it really is) and his positional awareness isn't good.
If we can sell O'Shea for £20m and buy Japhet Tanganga for comparable peanuts from Millwall I'd do it. On the proviso we kept Leif and Omari too, of course. |
Tanganga will go to the Premier League. Apparently he has a release clause of 1.2 million, but it can only be activated by Premier League clubs. | | | |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:46 - Jun 5 with 1037 views | StokieBlue |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:43 - Jun 5 by PhilTWTD |
Wouldn't surprise me if O'Shea has a release clause as well. If you were an agent selling a player to a club you thought had a good chance of relegation, then you'd look to add one in, wouldn't you? Hutchinson definitely has one, £35m, but that's probably more than anyone would offer for him at the moment. |
Fair enough, no insight in to what level his clause may be?
I assume it would be at least a 50% profit which I guess would be around 22m.
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| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:49 - Jun 5 with 1016 views | Herbivore |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:27 - Jun 5 by FromReuserWithLove |
Agree that he isnt a huge upgrade but do think he has a couple of attributes that set him apart and would be really evident at Championship level.
Pace - he is really quick across the ground which can get him out of jail.
First contact - He's very aggressive in the air and wins a lot of first contacts.
Both of those things Woolfy is weak at imo. |
But it's about balance and when O'Shea plays with Greaves, both of them have the instinct to attack the first ball strongly and we've been caught out a few times as a result. I think Woolf alongside Greaves looked a more balanced CB pairing. There's things O'Shea has that Woolf doesn't, agreed, especially the pace and jump, but it's also true that Woolf has attributes O'Shea doesn't. I think he reads the game better and he's much better on the ball. For me, of all the players we might we'll lose, he is the one I'd lose the least sleep over. Would much rather keep Davis and Hutch, for example. |  |
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| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:51 - Jun 5 with 1015 views | Herbivore |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:28 - Jun 5 by _clive_baker_ |
Its a tough one. Realistically post Delap we've probably only got 3 players that would command £20m+ and they're O'Shea, Davis and Omari. If you told me we have to lose 1 of them for financial reasons you could make a case that the other 2 are more valuable to us. Ideally we keep them all, but maybe that's unrealistic. |
Have just said similar! If we had to lose another of our big assets, he's the one I'd be most comfortable losing. We've got Woolf who I think can step in more than capably, we'd also have the option of bringing someone else in. For me, he's easier to replace than Davis or Hutch. | |
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| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:53 - Jun 5 with 1011 views | RegencyBlue |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:43 - Jun 5 by PhilTWTD |
Wouldn't surprise me if O'Shea has a release clause as well. If you were an agent selling a player to a club you thought had a good chance of relegation, then you'd look to add one in, wouldn't you? Hutchinson definitely has one, £35m, but that's probably more than anyone would offer for him at the moment. |
This!
It has to be a distinct possibility any contracts signed over the last year have release clauses in them which is not going to make the required rebuilding in the squad any easier. |  | | |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:55 - Jun 5 with 988 views | Herbivore |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:29 - Jun 5 by Garv |
Big upgrade in Premier League terms, though. And that's where we aim to be.
For what it's worth I thought LW did very very little wrong when he played this season. |
Personally, I don't think any team should be relying on O'Shea to keep them in the Prem. That's three relegations now, and that's not remotely on him alone, but I don't think he's head and shoulders above his teammates and being let down by those around him. He's had his fair share of errors this season and while he has plenty of good attributes, he's never filled me with great confidence. | |
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| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:55 - Jun 5 with 970 views | BiGDonnie |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:27 - Jun 5 by FromReuserWithLove |
Agree that he isnt a huge upgrade but do think he has a couple of attributes that set him apart and would be really evident at Championship level.
Pace - he is really quick across the ground which can get him out of jail.
First contact - He's very aggressive in the air and wins a lot of first contacts.
Both of those things Woolfy is weak at imo. |
He scored for Burnley first game of last season in the Champ.
I hope he stays and tries to build something with us.
Saying that Woolfie is more than good enough should he go. |  |
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| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:59 - Jun 5 with 947 views | PhilTWTD |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:46 - Jun 5 by StokieBlue |
Fair enough, no insight in to what level his clause may be?
I assume it would be at least a 50% profit which I guess would be around 22m.
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No real idea. Think he would have been in a strong negotiating position so might well be comparitively low. | | | |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:02 - Jun 5 with 912 views | StokieBlue |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:59 - Jun 5 by PhilTWTD |
No real idea. Think he would have been in a strong negotiating position so might well be comparitively low. |
That would be a shame, there should be a premium for the extra years PL experience.
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| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:04 - Jun 5 with 899 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:46 - Jun 5 by BlueDove |
Tanganga will go to the Premier League. Apparently he has a release clause of 1.2 million, but it can only be activated by Premier League clubs. |
Nothing to stop Town offering above that release clause though, then the decision is up to Millwall. Tanganga was one we were linked with 12 months ago. | | | |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:05 - Jun 5 with 896 views | StokieBlue |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:04 - Jun 5 by burnbudgiesburn |
Nothing to stop Town offering above that release clause though, then the decision is up to Millwall. Tanganga was one we were linked with 12 months ago. |
If the release clause is met any offer above that clause is wasted money. Millwall can't just say there has been a higher offer.
I guess if no PL club wants him then they don't really have to accept any offer.
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| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:05 - Jun 5 with 893 views | ArnieM |
I think our defence is going to look decidedly weaker if we lose Burgess, O'Shea and Axel. |  |
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| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:05 - Jun 5 with 896 views | PhilTWTD |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:02 - Jun 5 by StokieBlue |
That would be a shame, there should be a premium for the extra years PL experience.
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That's what put him in a stronger negotiating position! I am speculating, but seems likely to be the case.
Had expected him to be the one who Premier League clubs would most look at after Delap. No guarantee he goes but he's evidently got a lot that would appeal, pace, power in the air, leadership and I think played more games than anyone else after he signed despite having a knock. | | | |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:06 - Jun 5 with 886 views | portmanking |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:04 - Jun 5 by burnbudgiesburn |
Nothing to stop Town offering above that release clause though, then the decision is up to Millwall. Tanganga was one we were linked with 12 months ago. |
Well, if we offered £1.25m instead of £1.2m, they're not going to say no, are they? It's £50k more than they'd get from a PL club.
I know he's been on our radar for some time. | | | |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:15 - Jun 5 with 833 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 14:27 - Jun 5 by FromReuserWithLove |
Agree that he isnt a huge upgrade but do think he has a couple of attributes that set him apart and would be really evident at Championship level.
Pace - he is really quick across the ground which can get him out of jail.
First contact - He's very aggressive in the air and wins a lot of first contacts.
Both of those things Woolfy is weak at imo. |
Woolfenden is a Championship standard defender. The two points you make, I agree with.
He can read the game well though. His lack of pace can be aided by playing him central in a back 3 at a higher level, but I felt it was always noticeable in the games in the Championship where McKenna opted with Edmundson or Tuanzebe to play at CB, due to the striker on the opposition, eg Delap for Hull, Wright for Coventry etc, as Woolfenden couldn't match the threat of their pace.
He will be fine in the Championship overall though. |  |
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| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:15 - Jun 5 with 829 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:06 - Jun 5 by portmanking |
Well, if we offered £1.25m instead of £1.2m, they're not going to say no, are they? It's £50k more than they'd get from a PL club.
I know he's been on our radar for some time. |
Exactly.
£1.2m is a strangely small release fee, if it is indeed only Prem clubs that can trigger it. | | | |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:29 - Jun 5 with 761 views | textbackup |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:06 - Jun 5 by portmanking |
Well, if we offered £1.25m instead of £1.2m, they're not going to say no, are they? It's £50k more than they'd get from a PL club.
I know he's been on our radar for some time. |
Nothing about that release clause sounds right.
PL teams drop £1.2m out of pockets and don’t bat an eyelid. Millwall would know that. | |
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| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:31 - Jun 5 with 756 views | Herbivore |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:05 - Jun 5 by ArnieM |
I think our defence is going to look decidedly weaker if we lose Burgess, O'Shea and Axel. |
Depends on who replaces them. If they all go and we don't sign anyone then I agree, but that seems unlikely. | |
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| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:49 - Jun 5 with 674 views | Fixed_It |
Now. Being. Reported. By. The. Suffolk. Crunch.  |  |
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| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:53 - Jun 5 with 642 views | StokieBlue |
| Three PL clubs monitoring O’Shea on 15:49 - Jun 5 by Fixed_It |
Now. Being. Reported. By. The. Suffolk. Crunch. |
Sounds like a breakfast cereal you'd get from the Suffolk Food Hall.
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