| 116 million on 11:51 - Jun 13 with 3190 views | ArnieM |
Puts our meagre returns on our players in the shade doesn’t it. |  |
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| 116 million on 11:52 - Jun 13 with 3173 views | baxterbasics |
Insane.
Yet some seemed to think a similar expenditure by ITFC across a whole transfer window should somehow have yielded success. This is what we were up against. |  |
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| 116 million on 12:00 - Jun 13 with 3070 views | _clive_baker_ |
| 116 million on 11:52 - Jun 13 by baxterbasics |
Insane.
Yet some seemed to think a similar expenditure by ITFC across a whole transfer window should somehow have yielded success. This is what we were up against. |
Gigantic chasm innit. I genuinely think if Liverpool played 10 games against each Championship club at Anfield they might lose 1. Not 1 against each club, 1 of the 240 games. The gap hasn't ever been bigger and I can only see it growing from here when you look at the wealth disparity. If they win the Club World Cup the prize money pays for Wirtz. Just participating pays for a Delap.
I think it's bad news for the English game.
We're not creative enough, and we're not positive enough.
We still believe. |  | | |
| 116 million on 12:13 - Jun 13 with 2953 views | BseaBlue |
| 116 million on 11:51 - Jun 13 by ArnieM |
Puts our meagre returns on our players in the shade doesn’t it. |
You could probably double that figure with his wages over a five year period as well which is a really scary thought.
His wages for a year is probably not far off ours for the promotion campaign! Barring an oil barren/state take over, you just are not going to be able to compete with that. |  | | |
| 116 million on 12:27 - Jun 13 with 2869 views | mellowblue |
| 116 million on 12:00 - Jun 13 by _clive_baker_ |
Gigantic chasm innit. I genuinely think if Liverpool played 10 games against each Championship club at Anfield they might lose 1. Not 1 against each club, 1 of the 240 games. The gap hasn't ever been bigger and I can only see it growing from here when you look at the wealth disparity. If they win the Club World Cup the prize money pays for Wirtz. Just participating pays for a Delap.
I think it's bad news for the English game.
We're not creative enough, and we're not positive enough.
We still believe. |
If they were to attempt that in one season, their players would be like rheumatoid carthorses after 150 games. As long as we play them in the 200 to 240th game range , I give us a chance. Not sure how their attendance figures would stack up. Supporter fatigue would be high. |  | | |
| 116 million on 12:30 - Jun 13 with 2830 views | PhilTWTD |
| 116 million on 12:00 - Jun 13 by _clive_baker_ |
Gigantic chasm innit. I genuinely think if Liverpool played 10 games against each Championship club at Anfield they might lose 1. Not 1 against each club, 1 of the 240 games. The gap hasn't ever been bigger and I can only see it growing from here when you look at the wealth disparity. If they win the Club World Cup the prize money pays for Wirtz. Just participating pays for a Delap.
I think it's bad news for the English game.
We're not creative enough, and we're not positive enough.
We still believe. |
Indeed. I think we're talking about games between the likes of Liverpool, Man City etc against newly promoted Premier League sides in the same way we used to look at First Division sides against lower league or even non-league teams in the third round of the FA Cup. |  | | |
| 116 million on 12:54 - Jun 13 with 2629 views | ArnieM |
| 116 million on 12:13 - Jun 13 by BseaBlue |
You could probably double that figure with his wages over a five year period as well which is a really scary thought.
His wages for a year is probably not far off ours for the promotion campaign! Barring an oil barren/state take over, you just are not going to be able to compete with that. |
Do you know I've followed Town for over 50 years and I've loved most of it. But the game gas changed beyond recognition especially over the last decade. Its not a nice " product" anymore. Fans count gor nothing. The greed and cheating in the game is truly pitiful. The Premier League is hezviliy branded the best in the world. I'd fusagree. Its plastic, full of cheats, full of agents, players managers, clubs looming only to make money. All are multi million aires, and frankly play lip service to loyalty and the fans that pay through the nose yo watch a very boring football game, that us essentially over coached and lacks true dponti | |
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| 116 million on 13:08 - Jun 13 with 2520 views | Churchman |
| 116 million on 11:52 - Jun 13 by baxterbasics |
Insane.
Yet some seemed to think a similar expenditure by ITFC across a whole transfer window should somehow have yielded success. This is what we were up against. |
Puts it in perspective, doesn’t it.
The numbers are unreal and so is the gap. Seeing it live really brought home to me that unless you are one of the ‘haves’, forget it. Every team is well organised, coached and stuffed full of top players. It just scales up the more important the club to the point that Liverpool can spend on one player nearly as much as we spent failing to get any where near staying in the PL and that’s before you consider wages.
I hate it. It’s all about money when it should be all about the game. |  | | |
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| 116 million on 13:15 - Jun 13 with 2479 views | BseaBlue |
| 116 million on 13:08 - Jun 13 by Churchman |
Puts it in perspective, doesn’t it.
The numbers are unreal and so is the gap. Seeing it live really brought home to me that unless you are one of the ‘haves’, forget it. Every team is well organised, coached and stuffed full of top players. It just scales up the more important the club to the point that Liverpool can spend on one player nearly as much as we spent failing to get any where near staying in the PL and that’s before you consider wages.
I hate it. It’s all about money when it should be all about the game. |
The irony is that PSR was put in to place to try and stop it but it has only made things worse. The clubs that are trying to 'catch up' don't have anywhere near the revenue of the big clubs and can't spend their own money to do so.
It's a sorry state of affairs. | | | |
| 116 million on 13:21 - Jun 13 with 2430 views | Metal_Hacker |
THE GAME IS BUĞĞERED ! |  |
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| 116 million on 13:25 - Jun 13 with 2390 views | Edmundo |
| 116 million on 13:15 - Jun 13 by BseaBlue |
The irony is that PSR was put in to place to try and stop it but it has only made things worse. The clubs that are trying to 'catch up' don't have anywhere near the revenue of the big clubs and can't spend their own money to do so.
It's a sorry state of affairs. |
Murdoch's dream from 1992 has finally come true. |  |
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| 116 million on 13:27 - Jun 13 with 2381 views | Kievthegreat |
| 116 million on 13:15 - Jun 13 by BseaBlue |
The irony is that PSR was put in to place to try and stop it but it has only made things worse. The clubs that are trying to 'catch up' don't have anywhere near the revenue of the big clubs and can't spend their own money to do so.
It's a sorry state of affairs. |
Only way to be able to spend is to get the breaks and stay at the trough, or generating more income. It's why Birmingham are looking at building a big new stadium sooner rather than later.
It's why if I was Ashton I'd be trying to convince the investors to build the stadium upgrades sooner and via direct investment now rather than waiting to try and get established before taking the hit. |  | | |
| 116 million on 14:07 - Jun 13 with 2239 views | Illinoisblue |
A mere 350k a week in wages, too. |  |
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| 116 million on 14:36 - Jun 13 with 2095 views | tonybied |
| 116 million on 13:27 - Jun 13 by Kievthegreat |
Only way to be able to spend is to get the breaks and stay at the trough, or generating more income. It's why Birmingham are looking at building a big new stadium sooner rather than later.
It's why if I was Ashton I'd be trying to convince the investors to build the stadium upgrades sooner and via direct investment now rather than waiting to try and get established before taking the hit. |
Sure, a bigger capacity would add more to the coffers but gate receipts absolutely pale into insignificance when compared to TV money though, that's why most middle sized clubs aren't extending their grounds. Add to that, construction costs have spiralled since Covid and it'll be decades before expansion is paid for by bum on seats. It's a hard sell for Ashton to push for this sooner rather than later.
The only way we can compete is by spending a few seasons in the PL and building the squad quality consistently, season on season, without room for many mistakes. The more seasons that prompted teams are relegated straight away just compounds the issue even further. As touched on by someone else above, it's the consequence of PSR. PSR really isn't fit for purpose when it has the opposite effect it was designed to fix.
The real way to fix PSR is to allow clubs to spend what they wish, but money pumped into the club can never be pulled back out, ie. not loaned to the club. PSR was supposed to protect clubs spending beyond their reach and ending up going to the wall, or at least ending up in the sh*t. All it seems to be doing though is pulling up the drawbridge for the bigger clubs. |  | | |
| 116 million on 14:57 - Jun 13 with 1992 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| 116 million on 14:07 - Jun 13 by Illinoisblue |
A mere 350k a week in wages, too. |
Can their fans still pretend to be the poor relation that spends no money? |  |
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| 116 million on 15:15 - Jun 13 with 1886 views | StokieBlue |
| 116 million on 11:51 - Jun 13 by ArnieM |
Puts our meagre returns on our players in the shade doesn’t it. |
Would you not say that it shows those who thought we should have done miles better with what we spent were being unrealistic?
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| 116 million on 15:17 - Jun 13 with 1864 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| 116 million on 13:15 - Jun 13 by BseaBlue |
The irony is that PSR was put in to place to try and stop it but it has only made things worse. The clubs that are trying to 'catch up' don't have anywhere near the revenue of the big clubs and can't spend their own money to do so.
It's a sorry state of affairs. |
PSR was put in place to protect the cartel of the Big 6.
They want to stop a Blackburn, Chelsea, Man City type investment model disrupting their party.
Their plan is going exactly how they wanted it to go. | |
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| 116 million on 19:14 - Jun 13 with 1494 views | HighgateBlue |
| 116 million on 11:52 - Jun 13 by baxterbasics |
Insane.
Yet some seemed to think a similar expenditure by ITFC across a whole transfer window should somehow have yielded success. This is what we were up against. |
Well, we're talking about the Champions. Nobody expected us to be competing for the Premier League title.
Success would have been staying up, I think most of us were realistic to agree on that. Were you saying at the beginning of the season that there's no way we'll stay up, even with the money we spent? Because I really don't recall too many people saying that. |  | | |
| 116 million on 20:18 - Jun 13 with 1376 views | Vaughan8 |
You look at the euromillions jackpot and think it's a lot.
It buys you one Writz and his wages for a few years......! | | | |
| 116 million on 21:02 - Jun 13 with 1283 views | Swansea_Blue |
Silly money. One hell of a player though, so deserves to have one of the highest price tags. But yeah, it’s obscene now how much the big clubs throw around. There could be another £60, 70, 80 million on top of that in wages (I’ve not read the details, but it’ll be shed loads more whatever he’s being paid). I don’t understand how these clubs can adhere to PSR rules. |  |
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| 116 million on 21:24 - Jun 13 with 1244 views | Plums |
| 116 million on 14:36 - Jun 13 by tonybied |
Sure, a bigger capacity would add more to the coffers but gate receipts absolutely pale into insignificance when compared to TV money though, that's why most middle sized clubs aren't extending their grounds. Add to that, construction costs have spiralled since Covid and it'll be decades before expansion is paid for by bum on seats. It's a hard sell for Ashton to push for this sooner rather than later.
The only way we can compete is by spending a few seasons in the PL and building the squad quality consistently, season on season, without room for many mistakes. The more seasons that prompted teams are relegated straight away just compounds the issue even further. As touched on by someone else above, it's the consequence of PSR. PSR really isn't fit for purpose when it has the opposite effect it was designed to fix.
The real way to fix PSR is to allow clubs to spend what they wish, but money pumped into the club can never be pulled back out, ie. not loaned to the club. PSR was supposed to protect clubs spending beyond their reach and ending up going to the wall, or at least ending up in the sh*t. All it seems to be doing though is pulling up the drawbridge for the bigger clubs. |
I've just read on the BBC that Frank spent £254m on players whilst at Brentford. Absolutely staggering numbers and definitely not based on gate receipts. I do wonder how far we are from the point when the various PL club owners lobby to reduce or get rid of relegation to protect their investments. It can't be long surely. |  |
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| 116 million on 07:40 - Jun 14 with 938 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| 116 million on 11:52 - Jun 13 by baxterbasics |
Insane.
Yet some seemed to think a similar expenditure by ITFC across a whole transfer window should somehow have yielded success. This is what we were up against. |
Yes, we were competing in the same league but to use spends from Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, City etc is misleading.
We were competing with the likes of the rest, all with bigger budgets, granted, but they can't compete with those figures either. | | | |
| 116 million on 08:25 - Jun 14 with 882 views | blue_curacao |
Ok, this may be a daft question but here goes...
Given that a club's ability to spend is constrained by revenues, could a club theoretically buy another business unrelated to football and use the revenues from that business in its PSR calculations? | | | |
| 116 million on 20:52 - Jun 14 with 462 views | baxterbasics |
| 116 million on 19:14 - Jun 13 by HighgateBlue |
Well, we're talking about the Champions. Nobody expected us to be competing for the Premier League title.
Success would have been staying up, I think most of us were realistic to agree on that. Were you saying at the beginning of the season that there's no way we'll stay up, even with the money we spent? Because I really don't recall too many people saying that. |
No I wasn't saying that. But I knew it was a big ask, even with the spend. | |
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| 116 million on 21:38 - Jun 14 with 386 views | MVBlue |
| 116 million on 12:00 - Jun 13 by _clive_baker_ |
Gigantic chasm innit. I genuinely think if Liverpool played 10 games against each Championship club at Anfield they might lose 1. Not 1 against each club, 1 of the 240 games. The gap hasn't ever been bigger and I can only see it growing from here when you look at the wealth disparity. If they win the Club World Cup the prize money pays for Wirtz. Just participating pays for a Delap.
I think it's bad news for the English game.
We're not creative enough, and we're not positive enough.
We still believe. |
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