| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. 08:09 - Jun 26 with 3468 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/25/israeli-forces-kill-three-palestin
'Dozens of Israeli settlers have attacked a Palestinian West Bank town, sparking a confrontation that ended with Israeli forces killing three Palestinians.
In a separate incident, a 15-year-old boy was killed by the Israeli army in the northern West Bank town of Al-Yamoun, amid a surge of violence and near-daily confrontations between settlers and Palestinians.' |  |
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 13:38 - Jun 26 with 864 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 10:57 - Jun 26 by Ryorry |
It's not just "a few" though is it, it's pretty much daily.
I am also "passionate and angry about what is happening there" (as I think most people are).
I appreciate he's trying to keep the issue front, left, right & centre in everyone's minds, but there's no need to on here when it's front, left, right & centre of every news bulletin across all media anyway. Many of us come on here to escape the relentlessness of the news. I don't want to stick to 'football only' as I like to hear about other general things. You can't not see threads or posters when logged out.
I think the vast majority of us on here are already in agreement with BDD's line on this anyway; however, if I wanted to bring in the tiny minority who aren't, I'd try to do it in a way which encouraged them to engage, not put them off by constantly nagging them (aversion therapy?!). |
Well said it’s the downfall of this board sometimes for me to be honest <Insert latest Guardian article here>
It’s much better to have a 40 pager that can be added to on a topic for those that want to debate or highlight it, especially for those of us here for our football team and a little escapism. There’s some on here for other issues that barely post on Town, which is fine but it just dominates. |  | | |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 13:45 - Jun 26 with 844 views | blueasfook |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 11:51 - Jun 26 by Benters |
This. |
Thank you Benters |  |
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 13:48 - Jun 26 with 832 views | J2BLUE |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 13:45 - Jun 26 by blueasfook |
Thank you Benters |
This |  |
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 13:49 - Jun 26 with 833 views | blueasfook |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 13:25 - Jun 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
When you start getting uppies from blueass you know it's time to have a long hard look at yourself. |
Harsh. I am very fair with my upvotes/downvotes. [Post edited 26 Jun 13:49]
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 13:50 - Jun 26 with 790 views | jaykay |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 10:38 - Jun 26 by Benters |
You are entitled to your view,if that’s how you feel you stick to it. |
are you going to post the same words to banks |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 14:05 - Jun 26 with 774 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 13:31 - Jun 26 by J2BLUE |
Which part are you struggling with mate? |
Never saw you as being on either side but more neutral.
Hey ho up to you |  | | |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 14:10 - Jun 26 with 750 views | J2BLUE |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 14:05 - Jun 26 by reusersfreekicks |
Never saw you as being on either side but more neutral.
Hey ho up to you |
I would like to think I am fairly neutral to be fair. | |
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 14:14 - Jun 26 with 736 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 14:10 - Jun 26 by J2BLUE |
I would like to think I am fairly neutral to be fair. |
Hence my querying your us and them angle.
Anyway too much introspection [Post edited 26 Jun 14:22]
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 14:31 - Jun 26 with 719 views | DJR |
A couple of interesting stories in today's Haaretz.
1. According to a poll, if Knesset elections were held today, the current Netanyahu coalition parties would win only 49 out of the 120 seats.
2. Two prominent ultra-Orthodox members of the coalition have called for an end to the war and the return of the hostages. One said "We are facing a sad day in which seven soldiers were killed. At this moment I don't understand what we are fighting for and for what purpose. What are we even trying to achieve there, when soldiers are being killed all the time?" [Post edited 26 Jun 15:09]
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 16:29 - Jun 26 with 614 views | Ryorry |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 14:31 - Jun 26 by DJR |
A couple of interesting stories in today's Haaretz.
1. According to a poll, if Knesset elections were held today, the current Netanyahu coalition parties would win only 49 out of the 120 seats.
2. Two prominent ultra-Orthodox members of the coalition have called for an end to the war and the return of the hostages. One said "We are facing a sad day in which seven soldiers were killed. At this moment I don't understand what we are fighting for and for what purpose. What are we even trying to achieve there, when soldiers are being killed all the time?" [Post edited 26 Jun 15:09]
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Posted a few weeks ago that the tide was turning amongst the general population of Israelis in terms of their previous support for Netanyahoo, and that rebellion against him seemed to be rising. Was refuted by some then, so it's good to hear of this recent poll and the comments (assuming they're valid/genuine).
Always best if a country's abhorrent policies arising from its dictatorial leader/s can be overturned from within, rather than by external intervention. |  |
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 16:57 - Jun 26 with 596 views | Bigalhunter |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 11:00 - Jun 26 by positivity |
i'd be happy to swap gb for fookers. didn't always agree with him, but he usually had valid and well-researched points (unlike koont!) |
Hmmm…consign blueas to a lifetime of posting on the Maccabi Haifa equivalent of TWTD in exchange for having GB back…
Go on then, where do we sign? |  |
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 19:46 - Jun 26 with 515 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 09:39 - Jun 26 by Ryorry |
Have a day off. |
It’s relentless from Banksy and always one-sided, so I understand where you are coming from in terms of the board.
But… this is really important imo. What are our values? Israel’s atrocities should be kept front and centre in the national debate. We shouldn’t be ramping up our military support for a country that’s facing multiple charges of breaking international law and killing tens of thousands of innocent people, including a lot of women and children. We shouldn’t be pussy footing around the US and being pragmatic about our response.
At a national scale, the Israeli government are more lethal than the largest pandemic to affect the world in over a hundred years (they’ve killed over ten times more Palestinians than Covid did). There’s nothing wrong with reminding people what a bunch of murders Netanyahu and his government are. While they continue face no meaningful consequences, but lots of western support, I’d argue there’s more need than ever to bang on about it. It doesn’t need balance to be true. Everyone knows Hamas aren’t saints either.
Sadly, our leaders still don’t want to see this and are essentially being cowards and not calling out what they see in front of their eyes. Why shouldn’t we be criticising them, daily if necessary? |  |
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 20:24 - Jun 26 with 470 views | NthQldITFC |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 19:46 - Jun 26 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s relentless from Banksy and always one-sided, so I understand where you are coming from in terms of the board.
But… this is really important imo. What are our values? Israel’s atrocities should be kept front and centre in the national debate. We shouldn’t be ramping up our military support for a country that’s facing multiple charges of breaking international law and killing tens of thousands of innocent people, including a lot of women and children. We shouldn’t be pussy footing around the US and being pragmatic about our response.
At a national scale, the Israeli government are more lethal than the largest pandemic to affect the world in over a hundred years (they’ve killed over ten times more Palestinians than Covid did). There’s nothing wrong with reminding people what a bunch of murders Netanyahu and his government are. While they continue face no meaningful consequences, but lots of western support, I’d argue there’s more need than ever to bang on about it. It doesn’t need balance to be true. Everyone knows Hamas aren’t saints either.
Sadly, our leaders still don’t want to see this and are essentially being cowards and not calling out what they see in front of their eyes. Why shouldn’t we be criticising them, daily if necessary? |
Hear, hear. Hear, hear. Murder fatigue is understandable, but the state-sponsored murder is continuing every single fkn day and the drip-drip of crass, bullsh!t excuses mustn't ever be allowed to cow us into apathy. |  |
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 20:32 - Jun 26 with 468 views | Ryorry |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 19:46 - Jun 26 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s relentless from Banksy and always one-sided, so I understand where you are coming from in terms of the board.
But… this is really important imo. What are our values? Israel’s atrocities should be kept front and centre in the national debate. We shouldn’t be ramping up our military support for a country that’s facing multiple charges of breaking international law and killing tens of thousands of innocent people, including a lot of women and children. We shouldn’t be pussy footing around the US and being pragmatic about our response.
At a national scale, the Israeli government are more lethal than the largest pandemic to affect the world in over a hundred years (they’ve killed over ten times more Palestinians than Covid did). There’s nothing wrong with reminding people what a bunch of murders Netanyahu and his government are. While they continue face no meaningful consequences, but lots of western support, I’d argue there’s more need than ever to bang on about it. It doesn’t need balance to be true. Everyone knows Hamas aren’t saints either.
Sadly, our leaders still don’t want to see this and are essentially being cowards and not calling out what they see in front of their eyes. Why shouldn’t we be criticising them, daily if necessary? |
I agree with all of that, but still don’t see why it can’t be kept to one thread, like the Ukraine thread was iirc.
If I thought increasing the depression of a UK inhabitant would in any way mitigate the obviously far worse, terrible suffering of Gaza inhabitants, I wouldn’t mind, but I just don’t think BDS’s approach actually achieves anything. As I said, probably 99% here are in agreement anyway, and the other 1% are unlikely to be persuaded by repeatedly being bombarded with new threads - maybe even become more likely to switch off. | |
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 20:47 - Jun 26 with 439 views | StokieBlue |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 20:32 - Jun 26 by Ryorry |
I agree with all of that, but still don’t see why it can’t be kept to one thread, like the Ukraine thread was iirc.
If I thought increasing the depression of a UK inhabitant would in any way mitigate the obviously far worse, terrible suffering of Gaza inhabitants, I wouldn’t mind, but I just don’t think BDS’s approach actually achieves anything. As I said, probably 99% here are in agreement anyway, and the other 1% are unlikely to be persuaded by repeatedly being bombarded with new threads - maybe even become more likely to switch off. |
Surely the logical extension of this is that every subject can be kept to one thread?
Like a single thread where people could complain about other threads?
I disagree on this, it's absolutely right for him to highlight these things. Over 800 deaths in Gaza during the 12 days of the conflict with Iran and it was barely mentioned.
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 21:10 - Jun 26 with 416 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 20:32 - Jun 26 by Ryorry |
I agree with all of that, but still don’t see why it can’t be kept to one thread, like the Ukraine thread was iirc.
If I thought increasing the depression of a UK inhabitant would in any way mitigate the obviously far worse, terrible suffering of Gaza inhabitants, I wouldn’t mind, but I just don’t think BDS’s approach actually achieves anything. As I said, probably 99% here are in agreement anyway, and the other 1% are unlikely to be persuaded by repeatedly being bombarded with new threads - maybe even become more likely to switch off. |
Ok, that’s fair. We don’t have the best thread discipline on here, never had. Match days are intolerable with tens of 1 post threads when other club forums mange to have a single match thread. And we get a lot of repetition in general too. It seems to be just the way we roll. | |
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 21:42 - Jun 26 with 398 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 20:32 - Jun 26 by Ryorry |
I agree with all of that, but still don’t see why it can’t be kept to one thread, like the Ukraine thread was iirc.
If I thought increasing the depression of a UK inhabitant would in any way mitigate the obviously far worse, terrible suffering of Gaza inhabitants, I wouldn’t mind, but I just don’t think BDS’s approach actually achieves anything. As I said, probably 99% here are in agreement anyway, and the other 1% are unlikely to be persuaded by repeatedly being bombarded with new threads - maybe even become more likely to switch off. |
Yeah you're probably right Ryorry it would probably be best for all concerned if we all just shut the f.uck up and consume some more sh1t or something.
Let's stick all the depressing stuff on one thread...we could call it the 'awkward depressing reality, best ignored thread' or some such | |
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 11:02 - Jun 27 with 284 views | MattinLondon |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 21:42 - Jun 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Yeah you're probably right Ryorry it would probably be best for all concerned if we all just shut the f.uck up and consume some more sh1t or something.
Let's stick all the depressing stuff on one thread...we could call it the 'awkward depressing reality, best ignored thread' or some such |
Just as long as that thread isn’t posted on the football section as that’ll really upset some. |  | | |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 11:58 - Jun 27 with 241 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 11:02 - Jun 27 by MattinLondon |
Just as long as that thread isn’t posted on the football section as that’ll really upset some. |
That would have been the best place for it when he had "The Pauls" as our dynasty of managers. |  | | |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 12:50 - Jun 27 with 188 views | J2BLUE |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 21:42 - Jun 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Yeah you're probably right Ryorry it would probably be best for all concerned if we all just shut the f.uck up and consume some more sh1t or something.
Let's stick all the depressing stuff on one thread...we could call it the 'awkward depressing reality, best ignored thread' or some such |
I think that is part of the problem. It IS depressing and with the nut case in the white house it's likely to get worse. Credit to anyone who can keep digging on a subject like this. I can sympathise with anyone who wants to bury their head in the same.
It's a truly mad world. Gaza/West Bank. Russia/Ukraine. Israel/Iran. Trump. China's treatment of the Uyghur people. Desperate migrants. Billionaires who will eventually be trillionaires while some people don't even have clean water. Climate change. Materialism. Waste and mass produced tat we buy from Poundland then send to landfill. Cost of living crisis. Housing crisis. Inflation.
It just goes on and on. If you can imagine a better world the above is all so depressing. Not sure what my point actually is other than I can see why some people want a break from it. And yes, I know there's no break from much worse situations in many of the places mentioned above. | |
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 13:00 - Jun 27 with 168 views | charlie_lynton |
One thing we know for sure now is that there can never be a 'two-state solution' in Palestine. Let's just hope the politicians realise this sooner rather than later, and avoid more unnecessary bloodshed. |  | | |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 14:53 - Jun 27 with 63 views | DJR |
A rather disturbing article in Haaretz. It is paywalled but I have access and set out much of the article.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-27/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-
'It's a Killing Field': IDF Soldiers Ordered to Shoot Deliberately at Unarmed Gazans Waiting for Humanitarian Aid
IDF officers and soldiers told Haaretz they were ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near food distribution sites in Gaza, even when no threat was present. Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed, prompting the military prosecution to call for a review into possible war crimes
Israeli soldiers in Gaza told Haaretz that the army has deliberately fired at Palestinians near aid distribution sites over the past month.
Conversations with officers and soldiers reveal that commanders ordered troops to shoot at crowds to drive them away or disperse them, even though it was clear they posed no threat.
One soldier described the situation as a total breakdown of the Israel Defense Forces' ethical codes in Gaza.
The distribution centers typically open for just one hour each morning. According to officers and soldiers who served in their areas, the IDF fires at people who arrive before opening hours to prevent them from approaching, or again after the centers close, to disperse them. Since some of the shooting incidents occurred at night – ahead of the opening – it's possible that some civilians couldn't see the boundaries of the designated area.
"It's a killing field," one soldier said. "Where I was stationed, between one and five people were killed every day. They're treated like a hostile force – no crowd-control measures, no tear gas – just live fire with everything imaginable: heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, mortars. Then, once the center opens, the shooting stops, and they know they can approach. Our form of communication is gunfire."
The soldier added, "We open fire early in the morning if someone tries to get in line from a few hundred meters away, and sometimes we just charge at them from close range. But there's no danger to the forces." According to him, "I'm not aware of a single instance of return fire. There's no enemy, no weapons." He also said the activity in his area of service is referred to as Operation Salted Fish – the name of the Israeli version of the children's game "Red light, green light".
IDF officers told Haaretz that the army does not allow the public in Israel or abroad to see footage of what takes place around the food distribution sites. According to them, the army is satisfied that the GHF's operations have prevented a total collapse of international legitimacy for continuing the war. They believe the IDF has managed to turn Gaza into a "backyard," especially since the war with Iran began.
"Gaza doesn't interest anyone anymore," said a reservist who completed another round of duty in the northern Strip this week. "It's become a place with its own set of rules. The loss of human life means nothing. It's not even an 'unfortunate incident,' like they used to say."
An officer serving in the security detail of a distribution center described the IDF's approach as deeply flawed: "Working with a civilian population when your only means of interaction is opening fire – that's highly problematic, to say the least," he told Haaretz. "It's neither ethically nor morally acceptable for people to have to reach, or fail to reach, a [humanitarian zone] under tank fire, snipers and mortar shells."
The officer explained that the security on the sites is organized into several tiers. Inside the distribution centers and the "corridor" leading to them are American workers, and the IDF is not permitted to operate in that space. A more external layer is made up of Palestinian supervisors, some of them armed and affiliated with the Abu Shabab militia.
The IDF's security perimeter includes tanks, snipers, and mortars whose purpose, according to the officer, is to protect those present and ensure the aid distribution can take place.
"At night, we open fire to signal to the population that this is a combat zone and they mustn't come near," the officer said. "Once," he recounted, "the mortars stopped firing, and we saw people starting to approach. So we resumed fire to make it clear they weren't allowed to. In the end, one of the shells landed on a group of people."
In other cases, he said, "We fired machine guns from tanks and threw grenades. There was one incident where a group of civilians was hit while advancing under the cover of fog. It wasn't intentional, but these things happen."
He noted that there were also casualties and injuries among IDF soldiers in these incidents. "A combat brigade doesn't have the tools to handle a civilian population in a war zone. Firing mortars to keep hungry people away is neither professional nor humane. I know there are Hamas operatives among them, but there are also people who simply want to receive aid. As a country, we have a responsibility to ensure that happens safely," the officer said.
The officer pointed to another issue with the distribution centers – their lack of consistency. Residents don't know when each center will open, which adds to the pressure on the sites and contributes to harm to civilians.
I don't know who's making the decisions, but we give instructions to the population and then either don't follow through with them or change them," he said.
"Earlier this month, there were cases where we were notified a message had gone out saying the center would open in the afternoon, and people showed up early in the morning to be first in line for food. Because they arrived too early, the distribution was canceled that day." [Post edited 27 Jun 14:55]
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| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 16:15 - Jun 27 with 36 views | Bent_double |
| Thank the Lord for peace in Israel. on 14:53 - Jun 27 by DJR |
A rather disturbing article in Haaretz. It is paywalled but I have access and set out much of the article.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-27/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-
'It's a Killing Field': IDF Soldiers Ordered to Shoot Deliberately at Unarmed Gazans Waiting for Humanitarian Aid
IDF officers and soldiers told Haaretz they were ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near food distribution sites in Gaza, even when no threat was present. Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed, prompting the military prosecution to call for a review into possible war crimes
Israeli soldiers in Gaza told Haaretz that the army has deliberately fired at Palestinians near aid distribution sites over the past month.
Conversations with officers and soldiers reveal that commanders ordered troops to shoot at crowds to drive them away or disperse them, even though it was clear they posed no threat.
One soldier described the situation as a total breakdown of the Israel Defense Forces' ethical codes in Gaza.
The distribution centers typically open for just one hour each morning. According to officers and soldiers who served in their areas, the IDF fires at people who arrive before opening hours to prevent them from approaching, or again after the centers close, to disperse them. Since some of the shooting incidents occurred at night – ahead of the opening – it's possible that some civilians couldn't see the boundaries of the designated area.
"It's a killing field," one soldier said. "Where I was stationed, between one and five people were killed every day. They're treated like a hostile force – no crowd-control measures, no tear gas – just live fire with everything imaginable: heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, mortars. Then, once the center opens, the shooting stops, and they know they can approach. Our form of communication is gunfire."
The soldier added, "We open fire early in the morning if someone tries to get in line from a few hundred meters away, and sometimes we just charge at them from close range. But there's no danger to the forces." According to him, "I'm not aware of a single instance of return fire. There's no enemy, no weapons." He also said the activity in his area of service is referred to as Operation Salted Fish – the name of the Israeli version of the children's game "Red light, green light".
IDF officers told Haaretz that the army does not allow the public in Israel or abroad to see footage of what takes place around the food distribution sites. According to them, the army is satisfied that the GHF's operations have prevented a total collapse of international legitimacy for continuing the war. They believe the IDF has managed to turn Gaza into a "backyard," especially since the war with Iran began.
"Gaza doesn't interest anyone anymore," said a reservist who completed another round of duty in the northern Strip this week. "It's become a place with its own set of rules. The loss of human life means nothing. It's not even an 'unfortunate incident,' like they used to say."
An officer serving in the security detail of a distribution center described the IDF's approach as deeply flawed: "Working with a civilian population when your only means of interaction is opening fire – that's highly problematic, to say the least," he told Haaretz. "It's neither ethically nor morally acceptable for people to have to reach, or fail to reach, a [humanitarian zone] under tank fire, snipers and mortar shells."
The officer explained that the security on the sites is organized into several tiers. Inside the distribution centers and the "corridor" leading to them are American workers, and the IDF is not permitted to operate in that space. A more external layer is made up of Palestinian supervisors, some of them armed and affiliated with the Abu Shabab militia.
The IDF's security perimeter includes tanks, snipers, and mortars whose purpose, according to the officer, is to protect those present and ensure the aid distribution can take place.
"At night, we open fire to signal to the population that this is a combat zone and they mustn't come near," the officer said. "Once," he recounted, "the mortars stopped firing, and we saw people starting to approach. So we resumed fire to make it clear they weren't allowed to. In the end, one of the shells landed on a group of people."
In other cases, he said, "We fired machine guns from tanks and threw grenades. There was one incident where a group of civilians was hit while advancing under the cover of fog. It wasn't intentional, but these things happen."
He noted that there were also casualties and injuries among IDF soldiers in these incidents. "A combat brigade doesn't have the tools to handle a civilian population in a war zone. Firing mortars to keep hungry people away is neither professional nor humane. I know there are Hamas operatives among them, but there are also people who simply want to receive aid. As a country, we have a responsibility to ensure that happens safely," the officer said.
The officer pointed to another issue with the distribution centers – their lack of consistency. Residents don't know when each center will open, which adds to the pressure on the sites and contributes to harm to civilians.
I don't know who's making the decisions, but we give instructions to the population and then either don't follow through with them or change them," he said.
"Earlier this month, there were cases where we were notified a message had gone out saying the center would open in the afternoon, and people showed up early in the morning to be first in line for food. Because they arrived too early, the distribution was canceled that day." [Post edited 27 Jun 14:55]
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Sickening. Truely sickening.
Israelies will end up paying for this big time over the next few years - not the ones who should, the government and the IDF, but the people of Israel. |  |
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