| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. 15:29 - Jul 2 with 4389 views | SitfcB |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:59 - Jul 2 with 831 views | SitfcB |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:48 - Jul 2 by positivity |
still don't see what's offensive, people is factually correct, so why take offense? |
Don’t find ‘People’ offensive.
Just weird, and incorrect. | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:00 - Jul 2 with 828 views | J2BLUE |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:51 - Jul 2 by Swansea_Blue |
For the purposes of sex (biology) they are not men, but for the purposes of gender they are.
I’ve never understood why so many people get worked up about this. |
Things like this whole thing where a minority of very loud trans people and activists kick off does absolutely nothing to further their cause.
We should be able to respect trans people while also using language based on sex for biological issues. |  |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:01 - Jul 2 with 828 views | Ryorry |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:53 - Jul 2 by lowhouseblue |
everyone is different and i respect your view. it's not the same as a that of a very great many women though. which is fine. |
How many women have you spoken with on this specifically?
I’m not talking here about other previous discussions re trans rights/issues generally. |  |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:14 - Jul 2 with 793 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:59 - Jul 2 by SitfcB |
Don’t find ‘People’ offensive.
Just weird, and incorrect. |
Really? If she had read the autocue without pausing, I highly doubt anyone would have even noticed.
"... Advising that the elderly, pregnant people and those wtih existing conditions...." I seriously doubt it'd even have registered for me.
A complete non-story but hey, you're well on your way to another 10 pager, so congrats. |  | | |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:16 - Jul 2 with 789 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:25 - Jul 2 by Illinoisblue |
It’s not about being polite or hurting feelings; it’s about facts and truth. |
Nonsense.
Its about culture wars and telling people what and who they are allowed to be.
No one (bar the odd real loon) actually says that biology is not a thing. But people pretend otherwise in order to make a big fuss over reasonable, but sometimes clumsy attempts not to exclude others. |  | | |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:17 - Jul 2 with 780 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:59 - Jul 2 by SitfcB |
Don’t find ‘People’ offensive.
Just weird, and incorrect. |
Its not incorrect though is it?
And it is entirely possible, of course, for a pregnant person to want to be seen as a male, because of their psychological wiring. So why not be polite and accomodating. What harm is it to you? | | | |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:18 - Jul 2 with 776 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:45 - Jul 2 by Trequartista |
Not really, it implies men can be pregnant when they can't. I think women are more likely to be more offended than me, as the newsreader's face suggested. |
Only if you are looking for something to shout about. | | | |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:28 - Jul 2 with 744 views | positivity |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:59 - Jul 2 by SitfcB |
Don’t find ‘People’ offensive.
Just weird, and incorrect. |
it's only weird if you chose to take offense, your prerogative if you're that sensitive on the issue.
however, it is definitely not incorrect as women are people | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:30 - Jul 2 with 729 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:28 - Jul 2 by positivity |
it's only weird if you chose to take offense, your prerogative if you're that sensitive on the issue.
however, it is definitely not incorrect as women are people |
Offence here, is being taken rather than given.... | | | |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:36 - Jul 2 with 702 views | squiz |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 17:14 - Jul 2 by Illinoisblue |
The journalist who wrote “pregnant people” should be asked to explain why they wrote that. |
Presumably the phrase "pregnant people" is how its worded in the scientific report the story is based on? |  | | |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:38 - Jul 2 with 691 views | MattinLondon |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:59 - Jul 2 by SitfcB |
Don’t find ‘People’ offensive.
Just weird, and incorrect. |
To be fair, if you get a ten pager as a result of this complete non-story, I too will also find people to be weird and incorrect. |  | | |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:42 - Jul 2 with 669 views | giant_stow |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:01 - Jul 2 by Ryorry |
How many women have you spoken with on this specifically?
I’m not talking here about other previous discussions re trans rights/issues generally. |
I've always thought Lowhouse might be a woman. Could be wrong.
Anyway, my mum would probably be offended by talking about 'people' getting pregnant, but she's crazed feminist. (only joking mum).
The funny thing is that my trans nephew would probably find it hard not to be pissed off with her for it.
Somehow they rub along. |  |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:42 - Jul 2 with 659 views | lowhouseblue |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:01 - Jul 2 by Ryorry |
How many women have you spoken with on this specifically?
I’m not talking here about other previous discussions re trans rights/issues generally. |
lots. i also read widely and follow this debate. i know lots of women, and i have read writing by lots of women, who are concerned that biological women as a separate and distinct group are being erased and that their life experience is being dismissed. they dislike the idea that biological males can be taken as identical to them for all intents and purposes. many in fact see it as an expression of male power and misogyny. it's a really very prominent theme in this debate. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:44 - Jul 2 with 662 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Well that's 3 pages of reading time I'm not getting back! |  |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:49 - Jul 2 with 643 views | giant_stow |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:42 - Jul 2 by lowhouseblue |
lots. i also read widely and follow this debate. i know lots of women, and i have read writing by lots of women, who are concerned that biological women as a separate and distinct group are being erased and that their life experience is being dismissed. they dislike the idea that biological males can be taken as identical to them for all intents and purposes. many in fact see it as an expression of male power and misogyny. it's a really very prominent theme in this debate. |
The trouble is, I think there's some truth in that penultimate sentence or at least, I can see why it would rung true to many. | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 20:23 - Jul 2 with 583 views | bartyg |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:42 - Jul 2 by lowhouseblue |
lots. i also read widely and follow this debate. i know lots of women, and i have read writing by lots of women, who are concerned that biological women as a separate and distinct group are being erased and that their life experience is being dismissed. they dislike the idea that biological males can be taken as identical to them for all intents and purposes. many in fact see it as an expression of male power and misogyny. it's a really very prominent theme in this debate. |
Do you read feminist literature which isn't focused on the othering of trans people?
As with all bigoted movements it is those with the least experience of others who are the least tolerant. If your only interaction with trans people/ immigrants/ muslims/ whatever group of people is sensationalised violence on social media then of course hatred will breed. It only takes a brief glance at a certain children's author's twitter (or, the OG, Father Ted writer) to see how "legitimate concerns" can transform into rabid bigotry within a short period of time. |  | | |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 20:38 - Jul 2 with 550 views | Ryorry |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:42 - Jul 2 by lowhouseblue |
lots. i also read widely and follow this debate. i know lots of women, and i have read writing by lots of women, who are concerned that biological women as a separate and distinct group are being erased and that their life experience is being dismissed. they dislike the idea that biological males can be taken as identical to them for all intents and purposes. many in fact see it as an expression of male power and misogyny. it's a really very prominent theme in this debate. |
Fair enough. Can’t say it’s ever even been a topic discussed amongst women I’ve known in real life tbh. | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 21:01 - Jul 2 with 501 views | lowhouseblue |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 20:23 - Jul 2 by bartyg |
Do you read feminist literature which isn't focused on the othering of trans people?
As with all bigoted movements it is those with the least experience of others who are the least tolerant. If your only interaction with trans people/ immigrants/ muslims/ whatever group of people is sensationalised violence on social media then of course hatred will breed. It only takes a brief glance at a certain children's author's twitter (or, the OG, Father Ted writer) to see how "legitimate concerns" can transform into rabid bigotry within a short period of time. |
so you don't engage with what's posted - you just post insults. no discussion of the issues raised, instead we have:
"othering of trans people"
"bigoted movements"
"least experience of others"
"least tolerant"
"sensationalised violence"
"hatred will breed"
"transform into rabid bigotry"
broad sweep editorialising, with nothing to back it up, just a contentless list of insults and no attempt to respond to what's been said. an attempt to assert your moral superiority and to stigmatise anything you disagree with. consider your virtue polished.
and your very first post was about the culture war being so dull? i just didn't realise that was meant entirely self-referentially. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 21:22 - Jul 2 with 468 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:47 - Jul 2 by Illinoisblue |
Have we signed any people yet?! |
But you wouldn't say 'have we signed any men'. The usual phrase would be 'have we signed anyone'. All just over analysed clumsy language. 'Anyone who is pregnant should blah blah blah', seems perfectly straightforward, 'any woman who is pregnant' seems clumsier and more forced. |  | | |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 23:53 - Jul 2 with 388 views | positivity |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:47 - Jul 2 by Illinoisblue |
Have we signed any people yet?! |
not since charlie wood, afaik | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 01:11 - Jul 3 with 324 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 19:17 - Jul 2 by redrickstuhaart |
Its not incorrect though is it?
And it is entirely possible, of course, for a pregnant person to want to be seen as a male, because of their psychological wiring. So why not be polite and accomodating. What harm is it to you? |
But if their psychological wiring makes them want to be seen as male, the last thing in the world they'd want is to be pregnant. |  | | |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 03:52 - Jul 3 with 267 views | tcblue |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 01:11 - Jul 3 by StNeotsBlue |
But if their psychological wiring makes them want to be seen as male, the last thing in the world they'd want is to be pregnant. |
I guess you'd have to ask every single trans male to know for sure, but there's been cases where this has been the case and the *person* hasn't felt any dysphoria | | | |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 08:22 - Jul 3 with 119 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 01:11 - Jul 3 by StNeotsBlue |
But if their psychological wiring makes them want to be seen as male, the last thing in the world they'd want is to be pregnant. |
Not necessarily. Life is not black and white.
More to the point, (and its the point certain folks in the thread will not address), what harm is there in inclusive language? [Post edited 3 Jul 8:22]
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