| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 15:44 - Jul 4 with 891 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 15:13 - Jul 4 by chicoazul |
Phil or someone deleted my post which quoted Louis CK on the subject of abortion.
I don’t know why. |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 16:01 - Jul 4 with 835 views | chicoazul |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 15:44 - Jul 4 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Yes you do. |
Maybe one of the cry babies complained about it? |  |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 16:56 - Jul 4 with 785 views | Nutkins_Return |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 14:27 - Jul 4 by NedPlimpton |
A women has final say over her own body is all that really matters here. And should be able to do so without judgement. Lily isn't endorsing endless abortions, right? She's just talking about her past in the context of being wild. So openly admitting that it's probably not her finest moment.
How many celebrity men around her age will have had unprotected sex and spoken/bragged about it? Where's their responsibility here?? But no, let's all judge a women for having a past, because that's what we always do |
I agree women have final say and rightly so but sorry so many weird takes on here and twisting what people have said. Don't think anyone here thinks fine for me. And not for women so why say that?
I think men who go around shagging loads of women without protection are pretty gross personally. It's pretty horrendous from a public health perspective and the spreading of STDs. Yes it's consenting adults and free choice but it's still stupid and it's reasonable to have an opinion that's not a great thing to go around doing. (And yes we've probably all done stupid stuff but I'm talking about just doing it all the time with a who cares attitude).
So same thing for women and yes women's body is her body and her choice. But you are also throwing in an emotive subject of the termination of life (regardless of stage). I'm pro abortion rights but surely people can see, doing this loads of times and giggling about it will be emotive and beyond a normal discussion on abortion and women's choice. It's just not a good look is it. And let's say it's with the same bloke or different blokes knowingly doing it. Exactly the same opinion on them.
Not a single person on here giving it the "middle aged men telling women what to do" lazy nonsense would be fine with their kids doing that in their 20s. Every single person would say to their kid that that's a bit irresponsible and not really ok. Please be careful and look after yourself etc.
Nothing against Lily Allen, any women or any man shagging as many people as they want. Nothing against her having an abortion. But come on, having a good old giggle about terminating loads of babies is odd behaviour ffs. Incredible that that's a debate. |  |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 17:03 - Jul 4 with 770 views | Libero |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 16:56 - Jul 4 by Nutkins_Return |
I agree women have final say and rightly so but sorry so many weird takes on here and twisting what people have said. Don't think anyone here thinks fine for me. And not for women so why say that?
I think men who go around shagging loads of women without protection are pretty gross personally. It's pretty horrendous from a public health perspective and the spreading of STDs. Yes it's consenting adults and free choice but it's still stupid and it's reasonable to have an opinion that's not a great thing to go around doing. (And yes we've probably all done stupid stuff but I'm talking about just doing it all the time with a who cares attitude).
So same thing for women and yes women's body is her body and her choice. But you are also throwing in an emotive subject of the termination of life (regardless of stage). I'm pro abortion rights but surely people can see, doing this loads of times and giggling about it will be emotive and beyond a normal discussion on abortion and women's choice. It's just not a good look is it. And let's say it's with the same bloke or different blokes knowingly doing it. Exactly the same opinion on them.
Not a single person on here giving it the "middle aged men telling women what to do" lazy nonsense would be fine with their kids doing that in their 20s. Every single person would say to their kid that that's a bit irresponsible and not really ok. Please be careful and look after yourself etc.
Nothing against Lily Allen, any women or any man shagging as many people as they want. Nothing against her having an abortion. But come on, having a good old giggle about terminating loads of babies is odd behaviour ffs. Incredible that that's a debate. |
“Not a single person on here giving it the "middle aged men telling women what to do" lazy nonsense would be fine with their kids doing that in their 20s. Every single person would say to their kid that that's a bit irresponsible and not really ok. Please be careful and look after yourself etc.”
I’ve a step daughter in her 20’s at university- if she told me she had X number of abortions I’d be asking her what the circumstances where and why she didn’t feel she could reach out for support to us before hand and apologising for the fact that for whatever reason she didn’t feel that she could- but ultimately I’d be empathising with her and supporting her emotionally, because zero good comes from making moralistic judgements on people who have had to make these kinds of tough choices.
So no, not “every single person” would say it’s “irresponsible” or “not ok” - some of us are more concerned with supporting our kids than judging them. |  | | |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 17:19 - Jul 4 with 749 views | Libero |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 14:44 - Jul 4 by NedPlimpton |
Yeah, fair enough. I don't think that would be the response of everyone on this thread, or the media. But hey ho.
Pro-choice women are definitely having a tougher time of things than they have done previously, especially with the goings-on in the US and Farage's comments over here, so maybe I'm being a bit defensive. But a predominantly male-based forum judging the number of abortions a women has had just doesn't sit comfortably with me |
Yep, exactly this- I think it’s interesting how different people read the subtext to what Allen is saying too- for me my first thoughts were- Christ, what support network did you have around you? Why couldn’t you reach out to someone? What were the circumstances that led to abortions being the best case scenario for you on multiple occasions? For it to happen repeatedly she must have been in a pretty poor situation(s) and I can’t even imagine the strain that would put on your mental health- no one does that unless they have to.
Clearly she’s downplaying it X years on, potentially as a coping mechanism, but it speaks volumes that some people’s first instinct is to judge her when in reality what she’s revealed is very vulnerable and personal.
There will be young women now in that sane kind of situation, Allen speaking on it removes the stigma and may even encourage them to speak to friends or family. | | | |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 17:24 - Jul 4 with 738 views | Swansea_Blue |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 19:27 - Jul 3 by MattinLondon |
There’s a poster on here who is a budgie but comes across as a decent chap. I think that Chico is a Town fan but he seems to take great delight in being a bell end. |
Ah, ignore my post further up then. I thought you were talking about Giant_Stow/Ullaa/aka Six Fingered Sister Botherer*. As usual, I’m reading a thread in small batches and about 2 hours behind everyone else.
*sorry Ullaa, got to be done! |  |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 17:41 - Jul 4 with 714 views | Kropotkin123 |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 11:40 - Jul 4 by artsbossbeard |
Correct.
You can't attempt to argue that you're Pro Choice if this upsets you. |
This is not aimed exclusively at you, but also in response to others who have made similar or related points.
I think the attempt to shut down people’s opinions by calling them “mental” or “judgmental”, or by framing the podcasters as “strong women” who are beyond critique, is a weak position.
I support universal and unrestricted access to abortion. But that doesn’t mean we should avoid ethical discussions about how that right is used. That’s not hypocrisy, it’s moral complexity. Criticising someone for treating abortion as contraception or romanticising it is not the same as opposing their right to access it. These are two different ethical concerns.
People of any gender or age have the right to engage in ethical discussions. Dismissing discomfort or disgust as “judgmental” isn’t a real counterpoint. It’s a form of ad hominem, showing either an unwillingness or inability to engage with the actual arguments. For example, I haven’t seen anyone actually defend this statement:
“I remember once getting pregnant and the man paying for my abortion, and me thinking it was so romantic.”
Being pro-choice means supporting someone’s right to make decisions about their body. It does not mean we have to approve of every way that right might be used. I think the position is actually stronger when it includes space for reflection and critique, not blind endorsement. [Post edited 4 Jul 17:43]
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 17:52 - Jul 4 with 690 views | Libero |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 17:41 - Jul 4 by Kropotkin123 |
This is not aimed exclusively at you, but also in response to others who have made similar or related points.
I think the attempt to shut down people’s opinions by calling them “mental” or “judgmental”, or by framing the podcasters as “strong women” who are beyond critique, is a weak position.
I support universal and unrestricted access to abortion. But that doesn’t mean we should avoid ethical discussions about how that right is used. That’s not hypocrisy, it’s moral complexity. Criticising someone for treating abortion as contraception or romanticising it is not the same as opposing their right to access it. These are two different ethical concerns.
People of any gender or age have the right to engage in ethical discussions. Dismissing discomfort or disgust as “judgmental” isn’t a real counterpoint. It’s a form of ad hominem, showing either an unwillingness or inability to engage with the actual arguments. For example, I haven’t seen anyone actually defend this statement:
“I remember once getting pregnant and the man paying for my abortion, and me thinking it was so romantic.”
Being pro-choice means supporting someone’s right to make decisions about their body. It does not mean we have to approve of every way that right might be used. I think the position is actually stronger when it includes space for reflection and critique, not blind endorsement. [Post edited 4 Jul 17:43]
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It’s my judgement that Allen is a strong character- not to everyone’s taste, but I think it’s fair to describe her as a strong woman.
No one said she was beyond criticism, you’ve fabricated that.
There’s no unwillingness or inability to engage here, so again, you’re just making things up, mate.
“Criticising someone for treating as contraception or romanticising it is not the same as opposing their right to access it” - sure, but your read that Allen is “romanticising” is interesting.
Does Allen state herself that she was “treating (abortion) as contraception” - I haven’t listened to the whole interview yet.
Is quite a claim by you if she didn’t directly state that herself… [Post edited 4 Jul 17:58]
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:02 - Jul 4 with 658 views | Kropotkin123 |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 17:52 - Jul 4 by Libero |
It’s my judgement that Allen is a strong character- not to everyone’s taste, but I think it’s fair to describe her as a strong woman.
No one said she was beyond criticism, you’ve fabricated that.
There’s no unwillingness or inability to engage here, so again, you’re just making things up, mate.
“Criticising someone for treating as contraception or romanticising it is not the same as opposing their right to access it” - sure, but your read that Allen is “romanticising” is interesting.
Does Allen state herself that she was “treating (abortion) as contraception” - I haven’t listened to the whole interview yet.
Is quite a claim by you if she didn’t directly state that herself… [Post edited 4 Jul 17:58]
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"Middle aged men in being judgemental about strong woman’s (historic) life choices, shocker."
This certainly infers that people that criticise her are doing so she is a strong female and they are male. I stand by me distilling your point into this. | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:08 - Jul 4 with 643 views | Libero |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:02 - Jul 4 by Kropotkin123 |
"Middle aged men in being judgemental about strong woman’s (historic) life choices, shocker."
This certainly infers that people that criticise her are doing so she is a strong female and they are male. I stand by me distilling your point into this. |
She’s absolutely the kind of woman that a certain sect of middle aged men absolutely love to hate, yes.
However my point is *clearly* much broader than that, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you haven’t read my other posts on the thread.
I notice you’re not answering any of my questions or engaging in any of my counterpoints- now who has an “unwillingness” or “inability to engage”? lol. [Post edited 4 Jul 18:16]
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:14 - Jul 4 with 621 views | Kropotkin123 |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:08 - Jul 4 by Libero |
She’s absolutely the kind of woman that a certain sect of middle aged men absolutely love to hate, yes.
However my point is *clearly* much broader than that, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you haven’t read my other posts on the thread.
I notice you’re not answering any of my questions or engaging in any of my counterpoints- now who has an “unwillingness” or “inability to engage”? lol. [Post edited 4 Jul 18:16]
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It's because I've gone into a call, I can come back in an hour or so. | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:37 - Jul 4 with 575 views | Kropotkin123 |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:08 - Jul 4 by Libero |
She’s absolutely the kind of woman that a certain sect of middle aged men absolutely love to hate, yes.
However my point is *clearly* much broader than that, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you haven’t read my other posts on the thread.
I notice you’re not answering any of my questions or engaging in any of my counterpoints- now who has an “unwillingness” or “inability to engage”? lol. [Post edited 4 Jul 18:16]
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Call ended early.
She may be the "kind of woman that..." but do you actually think that is what is going on here? I don't see it, I don't know enough about her to make a judgement on that side of her character, so it isn't coming from me. I think you are creating something to delegitimise valid criticisms.
As I said, I was addressing multiple posters at once. Not you specifically. I was thinking specifically of Vapour Trail here, who just popped up and said the thread is mental and acused people of being judgemental without engaging with any of the points people raised. Again, I stand firm on what I said in response to this.
However, with that said, you replied to that unengaged post with "Middle aged men in being judgemental about strong woman’s (historic) life choices, shocker.". By building upon it, you are feeding that unwillingness or inability to engage. You have used a slur to delegitimise people's ethical viewpoints here. You need to square with that, rather than laugh it off. | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:40 - Jul 4 with 566 views | Libero |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:37 - Jul 4 by Kropotkin123 |
Call ended early.
She may be the "kind of woman that..." but do you actually think that is what is going on here? I don't see it, I don't know enough about her to make a judgement on that side of her character, so it isn't coming from me. I think you are creating something to delegitimise valid criticisms.
As I said, I was addressing multiple posters at once. Not you specifically. I was thinking specifically of Vapour Trail here, who just popped up and said the thread is mental and acused people of being judgemental without engaging with any of the points people raised. Again, I stand firm on what I said in response to this.
However, with that said, you replied to that unengaged post with "Middle aged men in being judgemental about strong woman’s (historic) life choices, shocker.". By building upon it, you are feeding that unwillingness or inability to engage. You have used a slur to delegitimise people's ethical viewpoints here. You need to square with that, rather than laugh it off. |
Crazy that you’re still accusing me of refusing to engage when I’m actively engaging with the points you’re making and you’re still not directly engaging with what I’ve said- alas, I think that’s likely to be a sign of sorts. | | | |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:44 - Jul 4 with 553 views | Swansea_Blue |
If we get to the point where middle aged men aren’t able to discuss anything, this forum will go pretty quiet! Look at the latest TWTD survey - this place is full of us.
Given how toxic this issue is, especially in the States, this seems to be a nicely sedate discussion so far. Hugely emotive of course. I’ve not got a lot to add other than I really hope we don’t import the extreme pro-life movement ideology that’s removing rights and choices from women in some states.
Although be warned. US pro-life group backers are already sending money this way https://democracyforsale.substack.com/p/us-antiabortion-cash-floods-uk-free-spee | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:49 - Jul 4 with 536 views | Nutkins_Return |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:44 - Jul 4 by Swansea_Blue |
If we get to the point where middle aged men aren’t able to discuss anything, this forum will go pretty quiet! Look at the latest TWTD survey - this place is full of us.
Given how toxic this issue is, especially in the States, this seems to be a nicely sedate discussion so far. Hugely emotive of course. I’ve not got a lot to add other than I really hope we don’t import the extreme pro-life movement ideology that’s removing rights and choices from women in some states.
Although be warned. US pro-life group backers are already sending money this way https://democracyforsale.substack.com/p/us-antiabortion-cash-floods-uk-free-spee |
Well said | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:55 - Jul 4 with 521 views | Kropotkin123 |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:49 - Jul 4 by Nutkins_Return |
Well said |
Scary article. Begs the question, at what point is money like this a threat to our democracy that we should pushback against through laws? I don't have any good answers. | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:59 - Jul 4 with 514 views | Libero |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:44 - Jul 4 by Swansea_Blue |
If we get to the point where middle aged men aren’t able to discuss anything, this forum will go pretty quiet! Look at the latest TWTD survey - this place is full of us.
Given how toxic this issue is, especially in the States, this seems to be a nicely sedate discussion so far. Hugely emotive of course. I’ve not got a lot to add other than I really hope we don’t import the extreme pro-life movement ideology that’s removing rights and choices from women in some states.
Although be warned. US pro-life group backers are already sending money this way https://democracyforsale.substack.com/p/us-antiabortion-cash-floods-uk-free-spee |
In all seriousness- you took what I said to mean that middle aged men can’t discuss *anything*? | | | |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 19:02 - Jul 4 with 504 views | Kropotkin123 |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:59 - Jul 4 by Libero |
In all seriousness- you took what I said to mean that middle aged men can’t discuss *anything*? |
I don't think they meant you, I think they were lightheartly building upon the concept and taking it to its extreme. | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 20:07 - Jul 4 with 427 views | Libero |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 19:02 - Jul 4 by Kropotkin123 |
I don't think they meant you, I think they were lightheartly building upon the concept and taking it to its extreme. |
Cheers, good to know you *can* directly engage with questions I ask, when you want to. 🥲 | | | |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 20:29 - Jul 4 with 395 views | Nutkins_Return |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 17:03 - Jul 4 by Libero |
“Not a single person on here giving it the "middle aged men telling women what to do" lazy nonsense would be fine with their kids doing that in their 20s. Every single person would say to their kid that that's a bit irresponsible and not really ok. Please be careful and look after yourself etc.”
I’ve a step daughter in her 20’s at university- if she told me she had X number of abortions I’d be asking her what the circumstances where and why she didn’t feel she could reach out for support to us before hand and apologising for the fact that for whatever reason she didn’t feel that she could- but ultimately I’d be empathising with her and supporting her emotionally, because zero good comes from making moralistic judgements on people who have had to make these kinds of tough choices.
So no, not “every single person” would say it’s “irresponsible” or “not ok” - some of us are more concerned with supporting our kids than judging them. |
Wow. Ok. Fair enough. Each to their own. Anyone makes bad life choices now and we should apologize to them for it. Absolutely blown my mind.
No judgement. That's just completely wild to me.
Honestly in my mind it is so unbelievably unhelpful to excuse and take the blame for our kids mistakes. Empaphise, support, help YES! Unconditional support YES. Apologizing and taking away any accountability for every. Sorry. That doesn't help them or humanity. That's my opinion. I genuinely respect your right to yours.
Interestingly, in both our opinions here we are saying it's not normal or right and as I said we would both have concerns in that scenario about our kids - rather then just their choice fair play.
By the way I think this is good discussion and in the right spirit. The minute it goes another way I'll l tap out for the sake of Phil haha | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 20:46 - Jul 4 with 380 views | Ryorry |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 20:29 - Jul 4 by Nutkins_Return |
Wow. Ok. Fair enough. Each to their own. Anyone makes bad life choices now and we should apologize to them for it. Absolutely blown my mind.
No judgement. That's just completely wild to me.
Honestly in my mind it is so unbelievably unhelpful to excuse and take the blame for our kids mistakes. Empaphise, support, help YES! Unconditional support YES. Apologizing and taking away any accountability for every. Sorry. That doesn't help them or humanity. That's my opinion. I genuinely respect your right to yours.
Interestingly, in both our opinions here we are saying it's not normal or right and as I said we would both have concerns in that scenario about our kids - rather then just their choice fair play.
By the way I think this is good discussion and in the right spirit. The minute it goes another way I'll l tap out for the sake of Phil haha |
Very good discussion and examination of the various philosophies, yes.
Fwiw I do think men have every right to talk about this and put their povs. Conception requires men’s’ input (sorry, couldn’t resist), so unless they’re donors or have chosen to absent themselves, I think their involvement is to be encouraged within reason (no pressure, and women retain the right to make the decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not). |  |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 20:52 - Jul 4 with 356 views | Swansea_Blue |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:59 - Jul 4 by Libero |
In all seriousness- you took what I said to mean that middle aged men can’t discuss *anything*? |
In relation to this issue | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 21:02 - Jul 4 with 342 views | Libero |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 20:29 - Jul 4 by Nutkins_Return |
Wow. Ok. Fair enough. Each to their own. Anyone makes bad life choices now and we should apologize to them for it. Absolutely blown my mind.
No judgement. That's just completely wild to me.
Honestly in my mind it is so unbelievably unhelpful to excuse and take the blame for our kids mistakes. Empaphise, support, help YES! Unconditional support YES. Apologizing and taking away any accountability for every. Sorry. That doesn't help them or humanity. That's my opinion. I genuinely respect your right to yours.
Interestingly, in both our opinions here we are saying it's not normal or right and as I said we would both have concerns in that scenario about our kids - rather then just their choice fair play.
By the way I think this is good discussion and in the right spirit. The minute it goes another way I'll l tap out for the sake of Phil haha |
“Wow. Ok. Fair enough. Each to their own. Anyone makes bad life choices now and we should apologize to them for it. Absolutely blown my mind.”
If your kid is going through something this big and you’re not approachable to them about it for whatever reason, that’s on you, you’re the parent, it’s your job to be there and to provide them that safe space where they do feel comfortable coming to you with anything.
It may not be the case but your post reads like you have an issue with apologising, period.
This isn’t about ‘accountability’ - it’s about being supportive.
Shaming your kid will do nothing positive for them.
As I say, my concern wouldn’t be the X abortions, as much as it would be that they hadn’t felt comfortable enough to reach out to my partner or I for support.
I dare say, people with responsible adults in their lives and good support networks around them don’t get themselves into issues where they’re having a number of abortions over a number of years.
I think the issue here for a lot of people is they’re rather myopic and they drop this idea of X abortions into the context of their lives and can only see it within their gaze/viewpoint/lived experience.
Reality is that young people who are stuck in this kind of cycle often are lacking in safe adult figures, or haven’t been supported or taught adequately or in extreme situations maybe they have an issue with alcohol or other substances- there’s a myriad of various other factors that can be picked apart to tailor suitable support to the person in question.
I used to work for a supported living for young people 16-21 transitioning from care in to independent living, we had a couple of girls who had periods in their life like this.
While Lilly Allen didn’t grow up in care or live in a YMCA there will be environmental factors that influenced her as well as personal ones- as I said in another post, when I first saw a clip of her talking on this, all I could think was- where were your support network?
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 23:52 - Jul 4 with 282 views | Nutkins_Return |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 21:02 - Jul 4 by Libero |
“Wow. Ok. Fair enough. Each to their own. Anyone makes bad life choices now and we should apologize to them for it. Absolutely blown my mind.”
If your kid is going through something this big and you’re not approachable to them about it for whatever reason, that’s on you, you’re the parent, it’s your job to be there and to provide them that safe space where they do feel comfortable coming to you with anything.
It may not be the case but your post reads like you have an issue with apologising, period.
This isn’t about ‘accountability’ - it’s about being supportive.
Shaming your kid will do nothing positive for them.
As I say, my concern wouldn’t be the X abortions, as much as it would be that they hadn’t felt comfortable enough to reach out to my partner or I for support.
I dare say, people with responsible adults in their lives and good support networks around them don’t get themselves into issues where they’re having a number of abortions over a number of years.
I think the issue here for a lot of people is they’re rather myopic and they drop this idea of X abortions into the context of their lives and can only see it within their gaze/viewpoint/lived experience.
Reality is that young people who are stuck in this kind of cycle often are lacking in safe adult figures, or haven’t been supported or taught adequately or in extreme situations maybe they have an issue with alcohol or other substances- there’s a myriad of various other factors that can be picked apart to tailor suitable support to the person in question.
I used to work for a supported living for young people 16-21 transitioning from care in to independent living, we had a couple of girls who had periods in their life like this.
While Lilly Allen didn’t grow up in care or live in a YMCA there will be environmental factors that influenced her as well as personal ones- as I said in another post, when I first saw a clip of her talking on this, all I could think was- where were your support network?
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Wtaf. You just read a load of stuff into something that wasn't there. You most certainly can parent, be approachable and supportive without having to apologize for something you didn't do. Unreal! (Never met someone and come out with 'your post reads like you have an issue with apologising'). Best thing about that sentence is you got in a 'get out' with "it might not be the case" and then ended it with a "period".
I'll tap out here as this was super loaded to offend. | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 00:00 - Jul 5 with 272 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 16:01 - Jul 4 by chicoazul |
Maybe one of the cry babies complained about it? |
How you have escaped a ban is beyond me. You literally live for causing controversy. |  | | |
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