| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna 08:40 - Jul 5 with 3839 views | Pinewoodblue |
In recent weeks we have seen the departure of five non playing team members with just one internal promotion announced.
All moved themselves on presumably to do better. We have also not been able to retain out of contract players we presumably wanted to keep on board.
Hopefully Ashton isn’t spending too much time concentrating on the upcoming concerts, while I’m sure they are a source of revenue we need to be focused on the core business.
The only objective ought to be assembling a team to get us back to Premier League. Precious little sign of it.
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| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 08:41 - Jul 5 with 3281 views | Swailsey |
Brace yourself for the onslaught!!
Also I’m convinced my dad has several burner accounts on here.. |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 08:45 - Jul 5 with 3204 views | Superblue95 |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 08:41 - Jul 5 by Swailsey |
Brace yourself for the onslaught!!
Also I’m convinced my dad has several burner accounts on here.. |
Blueas is your dad?? |  |
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| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 08:46 - Jul 5 with 3193 views | Simonds92 |
I mean, there's probably an important and valid point in there somewhere, but the added bits about the concert are complete bòllòcks.
Some people say it's good to have a refresh of your backroom team to make sure things don't go stale, but i don't think this level of change is ideal. |  | | |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 08:49 - Jul 5 with 3138 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Doh, I thought it was going to be another geography thread. |  |
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| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 09:29 - Jul 5 with 2797 views | Westcountryblue |
Staff turnover is naturally pretty high in the football industry.
-Lee Grant outgrew his role.
-David Martin's role was very much an entry level coaching role to gain experience before moving on to a first team goalkeeping job. Button has replaced him.
-Sam Williams went back to Man Utd, who are difficult to turn down regardless of their league position. The club now regains access to Jamestown Analytics who only exclusively provide scouting data for Brighton in the Premiership.
- Ivan Mukandi moved to a Premiership club and had done a good 3 year stint here.
- Brian Klug is 64 years old and for both parties, it might be a good time to freshen things up in the academy, which hasn't really bore fruit in recent years.
Lee Grant is the biggest blow, the rest, we can upgrade as a top level Championship club now vs when we previously recruited backroom staff as a developing Championship/League One side. [Post edited 5 Jul 9:35]
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| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 10:05 - Jul 5 with 2568 views | BlueBadger |
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| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 10:22 - Jul 5 with 2484 views | WD19 |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 08:49 - Jul 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Doh, I thought it was going to be another geography thread. |
It can be anything you like, if you catch my drift….. |  | | |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 10:33 - Jul 5 with 2421 views | billlm |
People value there worth if they think there worth more than there current employment it's there choice to move on,
After all we're not as valued as we were in the premiership,
All be it disappointing maybe some fat needs to be trimmed to stay within financial boundaries,
Some replacements or promoted within may actually be better personnel,
Lack of a real signing is a bit disappointing, |  | | |
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| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 10:35 - Jul 5 with 2404 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 10:22 - Jul 5 by WD19 |
It can be anything you like, if you catch my drift….. |
Sometimes this forum can be a bit of a cirque(us). | |
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| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 10:43 - Jul 5 with 2359 views | 765765 |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 09:29 - Jul 5 by Westcountryblue |
Staff turnover is naturally pretty high in the football industry.
-Lee Grant outgrew his role.
-David Martin's role was very much an entry level coaching role to gain experience before moving on to a first team goalkeeping job. Button has replaced him.
-Sam Williams went back to Man Utd, who are difficult to turn down regardless of their league position. The club now regains access to Jamestown Analytics who only exclusively provide scouting data for Brighton in the Premiership.
- Ivan Mukandi moved to a Premiership club and had done a good 3 year stint here.
- Brian Klug is 64 years old and for both parties, it might be a good time to freshen things up in the academy, which hasn't really bore fruit in recent years.
Lee Grant is the biggest blow, the rest, we can upgrade as a top level Championship club now vs when we previously recruited backroom staff as a developing Championship/League One side. [Post edited 5 Jul 9:35]
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| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 10:45 - Jul 5 with 2337 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
Shock horror, some of our employees wanted something other than we could offer.
One player wanted to play in the PL, and be closer to family.
Another in the twilight of his career wanted a contract length that was too long for our ambitions.
And some background staff saw career advancement opportunities.
This is the way of things, and I’m sure we will replace all with improved options. | | | |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 10:46 - Jul 5 with 2332 views | 765765 |
Having staff good enough to be poached by Premier League teams is now a bad thing too? You are aware we got relegated and everything that comes with that? | | | |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 10:57 - Jul 5 with 2263 views | stonojnr |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 08:46 - Jul 5 by Simonds92 |
I mean, there's probably an important and valid point in there somewhere, but the added bits about the concert are complete bòllòcks.
Some people say it's good to have a refresh of your backroom team to make sure things don't go stale, but i don't think this level of change is ideal. |
in our promotion season we had so many backroom staff, they needed a separate bus for them to fit on for the promotion parade.
I think we can churn a few of them and still be in a good place overall, its just the nature of the business, Im not even sure in previous years we'd even have noticed but we're in the must have a story about Town every hour to publish so even minor things get blown up as big stories now.
its more interesting the people moving on, have often been in areas where there was most criticism of fans on performance of the squad last season, but that could be coincidence | | | |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 11:11 - Jul 5 with 2175 views | Simonds92 |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 10:45 - Jul 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Shock horror, some of our employees wanted something other than we could offer.
One player wanted to play in the PL, and be closer to family.
Another in the twilight of his career wanted a contract length that was too long for our ambitions.
And some background staff saw career advancement opportunities.
This is the way of things, and I’m sure we will replace all with improved options. |
Twilight of his career? Burgess at 29? He's got another good 5 or 6 years in him as a cb. He's never been blessed with pace so I can't see why there would be any significant drop off and if anything, he's still on an upwards trajectory. | | | |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 11:32 - Jul 5 with 2053 views | darkhorse28 |
All valid points… a reasonable assessment.
Some of the excuses are cringeworthy, it is a theme and they have left because they don’t want to be here, or because they weren’t good enough (which means their recruitment in the first place was massively flawed).
And judging by the PR from the club, that Ashton wants to do everything, is doing all the summer events, and has t had a day off (according to him) is a worry…, because he’s made lots of mistakes this past 12 months and he seems burnt out, I can’t imagine that’s helping him make better ones in the future.
Not just a criticism of Mark. But those above him.
Where is his support. Where is the building of an elite team that doesn’t rely on a manager and owner.
Other clubs build a structure for the club, not around individuals.
We are in danger of making the same mistakes we’ve made before.
Ashton is indexed to McKenna. If it doesn’t work, he’s gone .
Or should be…, yet who do we have on the c suite side of the club that isn’t Mark Ashton.
He’s worked hard to make himself indispensable, at the expensive of the club.
He’s a very good operator at EFL level, but if he was elite, his role wouldn’t be so hands on…, it would be strategic in its entirety.
It’s not. And that’s why he’s only ever made it to this level.
Sad to say it’s not his fault…, where is the agency and accountability above him?
Where is the duty of care actually to Mark?
Boasting he’s not had a day off since West Ham is SO poor.
It’s one step away from eating toblerone on a lay-by on the A12.
When all your best players, and your staff, want to leave, it’s not progress, especially when it’s not a strategic choice, but a product of poor performance. | | | |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 11:32 - Jul 5 with 2049 views | TheBoyBlue |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 11:11 - Jul 5 by Simonds92 |
Twilight of his career? Burgess at 29? He's got another good 5 or 6 years in him as a cb. He's never been blessed with pace so I can't see why there would be any significant drop off and if anything, he's still on an upwards trajectory. |
You are right he isn't at the twilight of his career, but all the more reason why he would want regular gametime elsewhere that we can't guarantee him. | |
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| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 11:38 - Jul 5 with 2009 views | muccletonjoe |
Even if we got no one in apart from a third choice keeper, there would still be those on here trying to convince us to stop moaning and everything will be fine |  | | |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 11:42 - Jul 5 with 1981 views | Trequartista |
Is this a parody? |  |
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| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 11:45 - Jul 5 with 1956 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 11:38 - Jul 5 by muccletonjoe |
Even if we got no one in apart from a third choice keeper, there would still be those on here trying to convince us to stop moaning and everything will be fine |
And even if we had just had an amazing season and a hugely strong squad people would still moan about not enough signings. It's a two way street. Of course fans are going to wish for better, of course fans are going to defend the club they love. C'est la vie. |  | | |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 13:59 - Jul 5 with 1631 views | PioneerBlue |
Good grief | |
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| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 14:08 - Jul 5 with 1577 views | J2BLUE |
What utter nonsense. |  |
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| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 14:09 - Jul 5 with 1578 views | bsw72 |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 11:32 - Jul 5 by darkhorse28 |
All valid points… a reasonable assessment.
Some of the excuses are cringeworthy, it is a theme and they have left because they don’t want to be here, or because they weren’t good enough (which means their recruitment in the first place was massively flawed).
And judging by the PR from the club, that Ashton wants to do everything, is doing all the summer events, and has t had a day off (according to him) is a worry…, because he’s made lots of mistakes this past 12 months and he seems burnt out, I can’t imagine that’s helping him make better ones in the future.
Not just a criticism of Mark. But those above him.
Where is his support. Where is the building of an elite team that doesn’t rely on a manager and owner.
Other clubs build a structure for the club, not around individuals.
We are in danger of making the same mistakes we’ve made before.
Ashton is indexed to McKenna. If it doesn’t work, he’s gone .
Or should be…, yet who do we have on the c suite side of the club that isn’t Mark Ashton.
He’s worked hard to make himself indispensable, at the expensive of the club.
He’s a very good operator at EFL level, but if he was elite, his role wouldn’t be so hands on…, it would be strategic in its entirety.
It’s not. And that’s why he’s only ever made it to this level.
Sad to say it’s not his fault…, where is the agency and accountability above him?
Where is the duty of care actually to Mark?
Boasting he’s not had a day off since West Ham is SO poor.
It’s one step away from eating toblerone on a lay-by on the A12.
When all your best players, and your staff, want to leave, it’s not progress, especially when it’s not a strategic choice, but a product of poor performance. |
Unless you know the club staff structure, the people involved and how it functions day to day, then this is utter nonsense and supposition based on media snippets.
A CEO being front and centre is common place, doesn’t mean he does everything but he is ultimately accountable for everything the club does and therefore positions himself as such. |  | | |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 14:20 - Jul 5 with 1525 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 11:11 - Jul 5 by Simonds92 |
Twilight of his career? Burgess at 29? He's got another good 5 or 6 years in him as a cb. He's never been blessed with pace so I can't see why there would be any significant drop off and if anything, he's still on an upwards trajectory. |
ok, not the twilight of his total career, but by the time we return to the PL he will be at least just shy of his 31st birthday, and as you say, never the quickest. We need better by the time we return to the PL, and Cam playing as a 31/32 years old in the PL is not where we need to be heading.
Cam was great for us, and I'll be forever grateful. but now is the time to be planning for our next shot in the big-boys playgrounds, and Cam would be getting too old and slow for that for 26/27 and 27/28 if we head back up. | | | |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 14:31 - Jul 5 with 1466 views | HighgateBlue |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 11:32 - Jul 5 by darkhorse28 |
All valid points… a reasonable assessment.
Some of the excuses are cringeworthy, it is a theme and they have left because they don’t want to be here, or because they weren’t good enough (which means their recruitment in the first place was massively flawed).
And judging by the PR from the club, that Ashton wants to do everything, is doing all the summer events, and has t had a day off (according to him) is a worry…, because he’s made lots of mistakes this past 12 months and he seems burnt out, I can’t imagine that’s helping him make better ones in the future.
Not just a criticism of Mark. But those above him.
Where is his support. Where is the building of an elite team that doesn’t rely on a manager and owner.
Other clubs build a structure for the club, not around individuals.
We are in danger of making the same mistakes we’ve made before.
Ashton is indexed to McKenna. If it doesn’t work, he’s gone .
Or should be…, yet who do we have on the c suite side of the club that isn’t Mark Ashton.
He’s worked hard to make himself indispensable, at the expensive of the club.
He’s a very good operator at EFL level, but if he was elite, his role wouldn’t be so hands on…, it would be strategic in its entirety.
It’s not. And that’s why he’s only ever made it to this level.
Sad to say it’s not his fault…, where is the agency and accountability above him?
Where is the duty of care actually to Mark?
Boasting he’s not had a day off since West Ham is SO poor.
It’s one step away from eating toblerone on a lay-by on the A12.
When all your best players, and your staff, want to leave, it’s not progress, especially when it’s not a strategic choice, but a product of poor performance. |
But who is ABOVE Mark?
The failure to have a Chairman sitting alongside him as a mentor, and also as a proper check and balance is a real headscratcher to me. I think it's a poor decision, I really do. But hey, let's hope we nail it on the pitch this season, and the issue will become academic. |  | | |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 15:37 - Jul 5 with 1306 views | bsw72 |
| Erosion of team Ashton / McKenna on 14:31 - Jul 5 by HighgateBlue |
But who is ABOVE Mark?
The failure to have a Chairman sitting alongside him as a mentor, and also as a proper check and balance is a real headscratcher to me. I think it's a poor decision, I really do. But hey, let's hope we nail it on the pitch this season, and the issue will become academic. |
Ed Schwartz as majority shareholder. | | | |
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