| Morsy 17:35 - Jul 14 with 10614 views | bluesbrothers |
Has he travelled? Seen a lot of content that covers a lot of players, but no evidence that he’s there… |  | | |  |
| Morsy on 08:57 - Jul 15 with 1266 views | gsoly |
| Morsy on 08:34 - Jul 15 by boysof1981 |
Wonder what the wage difference is? He must be on a much better wage here than Derby can offer, even if it’s an additional year he’s after. Surely the only reason must be he’s been told he’s not guaranteed a place with the players incoming. Could understand a year or two in Saudi would see him up for life, but Derby??? [Post edited 15 Jul 8:41]
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I've wondered this. Rumours abound that he may be on a match highest earner clause. Then it must come down to captaincy/first name on the teamsheet. |  | | |
| Morsy on 08:58 - Jul 15 with 1241 views | Churchman |
| Morsy on 08:04 - Jul 15 by bluesbrothers |
Why do people insist on saying comments like “nobody but him and the club know anything” - surely no one actually believes themselves when they say that. He’s going. I don’t know where but he’s going. I really hope that means we are very confident on further incomings but, again, can’t say that as fact. |
Has he told you? Has McKenna, Ashton or the bloke that does contracts told you that? What’s the evidence beyond him not travelling? My suspicion is that he will move on. If I gambled, I’d put money on it, but I don’t know that for certain. There is no fact behind it.
Speculating, putting two and two together is fine, but I stand by what I said. Only he and the club truly know - and if you’ve ever done anything that’s media sensitive, you’ll understand why I say that. |  | | |
| Morsy on 09:24 - Jul 15 with 1093 views | OldFart71 |
In the best interest of all parties if Morsy goes. Town get a fee, Morsy gets a longer contract. If he stays with Town he won't get a two year contract next season and if we are in the Prem Morsy would be looking for another club anyway and not many would give a two year contract on decent money to a 35 year old.
I wish him luck whoever or wherever he goes and says a big thanks. | | | |
| Morsy on 09:31 - Jul 15 with 1058 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Morsy on 23:31 - Jul 14 by Churchman |
Pretty much agree with you. However, you do need a ‘water carrier’ type of player and I’d like him to stay another season. .
But not on any terms. He’s 34 in September and he’s not the player he was. Time is catching up with him, just as it does with us all. If he goes to say Derby on a good two year deal I’ll understand it, not least because his family come from the midlands.
All good things come to an end and maybe it’s time for us to revamp and change and for Sam to take on a new challenge in his final years. Notably he’s rarely stayed anywhere more than four years (Wigan: five). Maybe that’s what works for him.
He’s been absolutely fantastic for us as both a player and Captain and if he goes, it will be with good wishes and heartfelt thanks. Terrific character, we’ve been very lucky to have him at the club. |
Agree with much of that, but I’d say the majority of footballers don’t stay at a club for more than 4 years very often, so I’m not sure that element is really a notable pattern of his career.
Other than the fact they stay for most of their contract, then seek more preferable terms elsewhere, which is more relevant than just that time period naturally suiting him personally. |  |
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| Morsy on 09:39 - Jul 15 with 967 views | nrb1985 |
| Morsy on 08:33 - Jul 15 by portmanking |
Somebody make it make sense?
Well, using our significant financial advantage over the rest of the Championship to futureproof our midfield isn't a bad reason...
You have to remember our Egyptian King is 34 at the start of this season. He's been a huge part of our success, but is he realistically going to be part of our next chapter? No. Separate the romanticism and it's a sensible move for all parties. [Post edited 15 Jul 8:35]
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That still doesn't make any sense.
You need some continuity, you can't just throw together a group of good players on paper and hope they'll gel on day one. Particularly when brining guys in from overseas where there will naturally be a process of adjustment.
In reality, if clubs operated the way you describe in your last paragraph, then people like Milner wouldn't have been kept around for so long by Klopp, while only playing bit part roles. Or Giggs, or Thiago Silva or many other countless examples.
Clearly, these guys won’t be part of the next era long term — but they play a huge role in passing on the culture, values and standards of the club and helping smooth what might otherwise be messy transitions.
So we lose all of those intangible benefits and maybe gain 200-300k in a transfer fee in return?! No thanks. [Post edited 15 Jul 10:05]
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| Morsy on 09:42 - Jul 15 with 926 views | itfcjoe |
| Morsy on 09:39 - Jul 15 by nrb1985 |
That still doesn't make any sense.
You need some continuity, you can't just throw together a group of good players on paper and hope they'll gel on day one. Particularly when brining guys in from overseas where there will naturally be a process of adjustment.
In reality, if clubs operated the way you describe in your last paragraph, then people like Milner wouldn't have been kept around for so long by Klopp, while only playing bit part roles. Or Giggs, or Thiago Silva or many other countless examples.
Clearly, these guys won’t be part of the next era long term — but they play a huge role in passing on the culture, values and standards of the club and helping smooth what might otherwise be messy transitions.
So we lose all of those intangible benefits and maybe gain 200-300k in a transfer fee in return?! No thanks. [Post edited 15 Jul 10:05]
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Morsy wants a longer deal, we don't really have the need or want to offer him one so for me I'd have him play out his contract to offer that level of continuity and quality in the squad.
He's been a fantastic player and a great captain, but I don't see why it is in clubs best interest to let him leave at this time, even if he does end up being a highly paid back up this season then it still feels a good use of the wage budget because we know what he can do |  |
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| Morsy on 09:50 - Jul 15 with 845 views | portmanking |
| Morsy on 09:39 - Jul 15 by nrb1985 |
That still doesn't make any sense.
You need some continuity, you can't just throw together a group of good players on paper and hope they'll gel on day one. Particularly when brining guys in from overseas where there will naturally be a process of adjustment.
In reality, if clubs operated the way you describe in your last paragraph, then people like Milner wouldn't have been kept around for so long by Klopp, while only playing bit part roles. Or Giggs, or Thiago Silva or many other countless examples.
Clearly, these guys won’t be part of the next era long term — but they play a huge role in passing on the culture, values and standards of the club and helping smooth what might otherwise be messy transitions.
So we lose all of those intangible benefits and maybe gain 200-300k in a transfer fee in return?! No thanks. [Post edited 15 Jul 10:05]
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Burnley signed circa 15-20 players last season and racked up 100 points and lost only two games all season.
You're assuming that Morsy would be happy playing a bit-part role though? He may still feel he has 2-3 years in the tank to give another project? | | | |
| Morsy on 09:52 - Jul 15 with 813 views | Meadowlark |
I trust (hope!) it's more than just a contractual thing and we don't make the same mistake as we did with Hladky! |  | | |
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| Morsy on 09:54 - Jul 15 with 791 views | baxterbasics |
| Morsy on 23:20 - Jul 14 by ReusersTown |
And we just trudge towards becoming another one of the soulless franchises in the process. *Cries |
You realise player turnover has always been a thing right? |  |
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| Morsy on 09:56 - Jul 15 with 776 views | nrb1985 |
| Morsy on 09:42 - Jul 15 by itfcjoe |
Morsy wants a longer deal, we don't really have the need or want to offer him one so for me I'd have him play out his contract to offer that level of continuity and quality in the squad.
He's been a fantastic player and a great captain, but I don't see why it is in clubs best interest to let him leave at this time, even if he does end up being a highly paid back up this season then it still feels a good use of the wage budget because we know what he can do |
Agreed.
He's under contract, make him play out his last year and offer him a sweetener like an additional promotion bonus for his troubles.
It is really really not in our interests letting him leave now. | | | |
| Morsy on 09:58 - Jul 15 with 745 views | baxterbasics |
I know we've been saying "he's nearly 34" - and I'm inclined to agree his best is now behind him.
But I just read that Brentford have signed 35yr old Jordan Henderson on a two year deal! | |
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| Morsy on 09:58 - Jul 15 with 742 views | nrb1985 |
| Morsy on 09:50 - Jul 15 by portmanking |
Burnley signed circa 15-20 players last season and racked up 100 points and lost only two games all season.
You're assuming that Morsy would be happy playing a bit-part role though? He may still feel he has 2-3 years in the tank to give another project? |
"Burnley signed circa 15-20 players last season and racked up 100 points and lost only two games all season"
And Chelsea's new owners signed 15-30 players when they came in and turned a Champions League winning side into one that finished 10th, 8th and 6th. And has taken them 3 years to get back to anything resembling a top four side.
What's your point? [Post edited 15 Jul 10:00]
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| Morsy on 09:58 - Jul 15 with 740 views | Kievthegreat |
| Morsy on 09:52 - Jul 15 by Meadowlark |
I trust (hope!) it's more than just a contractual thing and we don't make the same mistake as we did with Hladky! |
There was no mistake with Hladky. He wasn't good enough for the prem and we already had Walton as backup. If a deal could have been done to keep him as backup on backup wages, it wouldn't have hurt, but obviously he didn't want the terms we offered.
The mistake was signing Muric. |  | | |
| Morsy on 10:05 - Jul 15 with 683 views | portmanking |
| Morsy on 09:58 - Jul 15 by nrb1985 |
"Burnley signed circa 15-20 players last season and racked up 100 points and lost only two games all season"
And Chelsea's new owners signed 15-30 players when they came in and turned a Champions League winning side into one that finished 10th, 8th and 6th. And has taken them 3 years to get back to anything resembling a top four side.
What's your point? [Post edited 15 Jul 10:00]
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My point is that there's always a churn in squads. Parachute clubs have a huge advantage over the rest of the league when it comes to squad building, as Burnley proved.
Chelsea aren't a comparable case, since they operate in another stratosphere to us. | | | |
| Morsy on 10:06 - Jul 15 with 669 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Morsy on 09:50 - Jul 15 by portmanking |
Burnley signed circa 15-20 players last season and racked up 100 points and lost only two games all season.
You're assuming that Morsy would be happy playing a bit-part role though? He may still feel he has 2-3 years in the tank to give another project? |
With respect though, he signed a contract that expires next summer. I get the 'after all he's done for us' argument for letting him go, if he can sort himself out longer term. But ultimately we want to get promoted and the club has to make decisions in our best interests. If we can sign another couple at Matusiwa's level then it's not such an issue but I don't think we can undervalue what Morsy's experience/leadership bring to us this season. | | | |
| Morsy on 10:07 - Jul 15 with 660 views | nrb1985 |
| Morsy on 10:05 - Jul 15 by portmanking |
My point is that there's always a churn in squads. Parachute clubs have a huge advantage over the rest of the league when it comes to squad building, as Burnley proved.
Chelsea aren't a comparable case, since they operate in another stratosphere to us. |
I don't think we'll agree on this one but I hope you're right!
As Joe said though, I can't see how this is in our best interests at all given he's only got a year on his contract. | | | |
| Morsy on 10:15 - Jul 15 with 594 views | bluesbrothers |
| Morsy on 08:58 - Jul 15 by Churchman |
Has he told you? Has McKenna, Ashton or the bloke that does contracts told you that? What’s the evidence beyond him not travelling? My suspicion is that he will move on. If I gambled, I’d put money on it, but I don’t know that for certain. There is no fact behind it.
Speculating, putting two and two together is fine, but I stand by what I said. Only he and the club truly know - and if you’ve ever done anything that’s media sensitive, you’ll understand why I say that. |
Morning. | | | |
| Morsy on 10:25 - Jul 15 with 503 views | dirtyboy |
It appears this is universally seen as disappointing.
Firstly, what a captain, what a role model to have, genuinely lovely guy.
In his mind, he wants to play week in week out and fair play to him for that and if we cannot guarantee that because we do want to build, which I understand, then if the reported fact that we're letting him get a contract abroad with no fee, it still makes me feel Ipswich Town is a club that respects players as people by doing the right thing.
We could have made him stay and be our back up, and left him high and dry next year looking for a contract.
Sammy will always be welcome back in Town, the man needs a permanent place somewhere. He's up with Matty Holland now as our most recent captain fantastic. |  | | |
| Morsy on 10:42 - Jul 15 with 420 views | EddyJ |
We can't be sentimental about it.
Morsy has been a fantastic player for us. Probably the single most important player in our two promotions. A great leader and some great moments.
But he is past his prime. And he showed he wasn't quite good enough for the premier league last season. Let's move on. Give him a warm welcome if he plays against us next season. And consider him a club legend once he retires. | | | |
| Morsy on 20:16 - Jul 15 with 256 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Morsy on 09:42 - Jul 15 by itfcjoe |
Morsy wants a longer deal, we don't really have the need or want to offer him one so for me I'd have him play out his contract to offer that level of continuity and quality in the squad.
He's been a fantastic player and a great captain, but I don't see why it is in clubs best interest to let him leave at this time, even if he does end up being a highly paid back up this season then it still feels a good use of the wage budget because we know what he can do |
Think the thing is, it's not in our best interest but probably the right thing to do and we owe him that. Happy for us to do it. |  |
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| Morsy on 20:20 - Jul 15 with 226 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Morsy on 20:16 - Jul 15 by JammyDodgerrr |
Think the thing is, it's not in our best interest but probably the right thing to do and we owe him that. Happy for us to do it. |
Out of interest
If we couldn't afford hackney because we wanted to gift morsy a nice shiny new 2 year deal just as a thank you... how is that doing the best for the club.
I get people love morsy he's been a great addition. But if finances needs to be used to really rebuild parts of this squad for the better then imo thank you gifts can't come into it. |  |
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| Morsy on 20:30 - Jul 15 with 204 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Morsy on 20:20 - Jul 15 by FrimleyBlue |
Out of interest
If we couldn't afford hackney because we wanted to gift morsy a nice shiny new 2 year deal just as a thank you... how is that doing the best for the club.
I get people love morsy he's been a great addition. But if finances needs to be used to really rebuild parts of this squad for the better then imo thank you gifts can't come into it. |
I mean, the best interest for us is to make him play out the year left, not give him a new deal. I didn't mean that. | |
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