| The curious case of Jack Taylor 11:01 - Jul 21 with 3402 views | _clive_baker_ |
Not that curious to be fair, just sounded like an appropriate thread title.
What do people make of his future here? Couldn't get in the side in the Championship, couldn't get much of an opportunity last season either. In fact he's only started 11 league games in his town career so far, and 3 of those were after the PL season was done.
I'm not really sure what he is, he's not a 6, he's been used at times in a more advanced 10 role but I'm not convinced he's suited to that for us. On paper he's a box-to-box conventional #8, but not in our system.
We're talking about an Ireland international (yeah, I know) in the prime years of his career. One that seems to threaten to break through and is generally neat and tidy, but never really stakes a big claim when he does play. I wonder if he'll move on this summer if the recruitment goes to plan? Or maybe stick around and see more of the same in terms of opportunities until he leaves on a free next summer? |  | | |  |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:06 - Jul 21 with 2582 views | Blue_Moses |
To me a 6 is a defender and a 10 is a striker |  | | |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:08 - Jul 21 with 2553 views | BlueBlood90 |
I think you've answered your own question. He's a useful box-to-box number 8 but unfortunately that isn't much use to us with the system we play.
I'm sure he'll play his part when required this season but I think we still need two more significant upgrades on him during this window. |  |
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| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:09 - Jul 21 with 2532 views | Chris_ITFC |
We signed him for what - £1m-ish?
He’s now competing with players we can sign for £10m-ish.
He was a big signing at the time, but it’s not fair to consider him in that context now. He’s a good squad player, but something has gone wrong with transfers if he starts regularly from here. |  |
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| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:11 - Jul 21 with 2498 views | bournemouthblue |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:06 - Jul 21 by Blue_Moses |
To me a 6 is a defender and a 10 is a striker |
Modern times, we all know he possesses a rifle of a shot and will pop in a few bangers over a season
This will be a make or break season for him with us |  |
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| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:12 - Jul 21 with 2475 views | _clive_baker_ |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:08 - Jul 21 by BlueBlood90 |
I think you've answered your own question. He's a useful box-to-box number 8 but unfortunately that isn't much use to us with the system we play.
I'm sure he'll play his part when required this season but I think we still need two more significant upgrades on him during this window. |
Yeah I think it'll go 1 of 2 ways, 1) we recruit well and he moves on towards the end of the window. Or 2) we still need his presence, he sticks around and continues to not get many opportunities.
Bit of a shame for him, on the plus side he can say he's achieved back to back promotions and played in the premier league. On the downside I would've thought he would want to be playing every week at this stage of his career. Can't see that with us. | | | |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:13 - Jul 21 with 2460 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
He just isn't good enough on the ball to play in the double pivot McKenna likes.
He is good energy and can strike a ball for sure, but doesnt have the skillset we need to be in one of those positions. |  |
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| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:15 - Jul 21 with 2425 views | BseaBlue |
I get the impression that KMac doesn't really fancy him. I've always thought that sometimes when he comes on, he looks effective and makes a difference, but when he starts games he doesn't have the same impact.
Personally, if it was a case of either him or Humphreys staying around, I'd keep Humphreys all day long and let him continue his development with us. Another Morsy style midfielder could come in to replace him which will suit the system better. |  | | |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:17 - Jul 21 with 2394 views | _clive_baker_ |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:13 - Jul 21 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
He just isn't good enough on the ball to play in the double pivot McKenna likes.
He is good energy and can strike a ball for sure, but doesnt have the skillset we need to be in one of those positions. |
Don't disagree with that. I wonder if he'll push for a move himself, doesn't feel like its really in anyone's interests for him to stick around, certainly not if we bring in a couple more as expected. | | | |
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| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:20 - Jul 21 with 2339 views | surreyblue |
I reckon he is still a decent choice off the bench, particularly in games where we have control and he can push a bit further forward than whoever starts in the Luongo position. Agree he isn't a starter. I can see him stick around as back-up this year, particularly given the overhaul elsewhere in the midfield, and then leave next summer. | | | |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:23 - Jul 21 with 2292 views | bluesym |
I haven't really been impressed by him, he doesn't appear to have any kind of attribute which stands out. |  |
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| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:24 - Jul 21 with 2279 views | DJR |
I would be worried if he were anything higher than fourth choice as a starting midfielder but he does offer energy and something different off the bench. [Post edited 21 Jul 11:26]
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| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:25 - Jul 21 with 2255 views | Dubtractor |
We all have our player to be a bit negative about, and Taylor is mine.
I just don't see what it is that he's good at. He's quite slow, not aggressive, not hugely technical, quite slow in using the ball.
I'd move him on, for his benefit as much as anything. |  |
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| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:26 - Jul 21 with 2238 views | baxterbasics |
His main attribute is scoring a late winner or screamer against Wolves.
Unless we draw them in a cup again, not much need for that this season. |  |
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| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:32 - Jul 21 with 2163 views | _clive_baker_ |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:25 - Jul 21 by Dubtractor |
We all have our player to be a bit negative about, and Taylor is mine.
I just don't see what it is that he's good at. He's quite slow, not aggressive, not hugely technical, quite slow in using the ball.
I'd move him on, for his benefit as much as anything. |
I'm with you. Doesn't appear to have the speed of thought or execution, he's technically fine when he's afforded the luxury of time and space and no doubt has a decent shot on him, although even that's a bit of a myth tbh in terms of how often he's actually shown it when it matters.
Might be time he moves on, but it'll only happen when we've got 2 or 3 more in the door. | | | |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:33 - Jul 21 with 2161 views | homer_123 |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:25 - Jul 21 by Dubtractor |
We all have our player to be a bit negative about, and Taylor is mine.
I just don't see what it is that he's good at. He's quite slow, not aggressive, not hugely technical, quite slow in using the ball.
I'd move him on, for his benefit as much as anything. |
I have a different take, which is looking at it from the other side.
He's can do a bit of everything, he can pick a pass, shoot, tackle, track back BUT he's not 'great' at any of those.
My biggest observation is he looks lost sometimes on the pitch, as if he's never quite got to grips with the way play.
He 'should' have been a really good signing for us and I don't agree with a poster who says that KM 'doesn't fancy him', I think it's the contrary - I think KM likes him a lot but seems to be a player that we can't get the best from.
Not every signing works and I think this is one of those. Not for the lack of trying from either party. |  |
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| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:34 - Jul 21 with 2144 views | itfcsuth |
He's more than capable to be rotational at Championship level, part of the squad prior and is pretty well bedded into the understanding of the role KMc wants there.
I think he has terrific engine, and can certainly hit a ball, and is technically pretty sound.
If you moved him on, you would probably have to replace like for like at this level, and I'm not sure you would for the £1.5m we paid.
If promoted though, we have to upgrade. |  | | |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:36 - Jul 21 with 2111 views | BseaBlue |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:33 - Jul 21 by homer_123 |
I have a different take, which is looking at it from the other side.
He's can do a bit of everything, he can pick a pass, shoot, tackle, track back BUT he's not 'great' at any of those.
My biggest observation is he looks lost sometimes on the pitch, as if he's never quite got to grips with the way play.
He 'should' have been a really good signing for us and I don't agree with a poster who says that KM 'doesn't fancy him', I think it's the contrary - I think KM likes him a lot but seems to be a player that we can't get the best from.
Not every signing works and I think this is one of those. Not for the lack of trying from either party. |
'My biggest observation is he looks lost sometimes on the pitch, as if he's never quite got to grips with the way play'
This is spot on for me, particularly when he starts games. The reason I said I don't think he fancies him is that by all accounts he was meant to move on last summer but wanted to fight for his place which is fair enough. KM has never given him a run in the team. He will come in and start a game here and there. I think the main reason is your point above though! | | | |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:43 - Jul 21 with 2030 views | Nutkins_Return |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:25 - Jul 21 by Dubtractor |
We all have our player to be a bit negative about, and Taylor is mine.
I just don't see what it is that he's good at. He's quite slow, not aggressive, not hugely technical, quite slow in using the ball.
I'd move him on, for his benefit as much as anything. |
I think he stays. In the second half system we played in the friendly thought he had an excellent game. He's a good player but I don't see him as a regular starter but that's ok. He is a more threatening attacking midfield option off the bench who will also start cup games and games where we are more front foot. Think he is really useful around the place, good character and will help set standards.
I do agree we will need better technical players in the building but I think he offers a lot in the champ.
Agree with most of your posts the and understand what you are sayong. One thing not right here is him being slow. He's very quick. Would imagine top 5-6 in our squad in a foot race. Be good to see him use it a bit more! | |
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| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:49 - Jul 21 with 1966 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
He's an 8 who needs a bit of a licence to break into the box. I actually think the perfect club for him would be Coventry... under a manager who was one of the best midfielders at timing his runs into the box.
I think he will be moved on this summer, but it won't be until we have bolstered up our own midfield plus made a decision on Humphreys. |  |
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| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:59 - Jul 21 with 1888 views | Mookamoo |
My problem with Taylor is he is not Luongo.
Luongo wasn't quick, didn't score loads, was OK on the ball, wasn't spectacular. What he was, was always in the right place at the right time and made everyone round him better by filling in the gaps. Davis and Hutchinson especially.
What we need a new Luongo and Taylor isn't that |  | | |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 12:02 - Jul 21 with 1849 views | itfcjoe |
27 year old international who doesn't really fit with how we play or has been able to make a mark here - all things being equal you don't let him run his contract down so probably sell him now.
But Morsy's unexpected departure may have scuppered that as leaves us too much to do in CM so he ends up a casualty of that and we lose out on a few million quid we could have potentially got for him |  |
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| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 12:04 - Jul 21 with 1821 views | Vaughan8 |
He's definitely not taken his chances and doesn't seem to have and special features.
However having said that, he's not had too many chances. Was he signed to dislodge Luongo or was he brought here to be backup but progress?
Getting the PL in one second definitely hasn't helped him (like a few others) as the club have progressed quicker than he has or could have done. | | | |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 12:06 - Jul 21 with 1797 views | LeoMuff |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:34 - Jul 21 by itfcsuth |
He's more than capable to be rotational at Championship level, part of the squad prior and is pretty well bedded into the understanding of the role KMc wants there.
I think he has terrific engine, and can certainly hit a ball, and is technically pretty sound.
If you moved him on, you would probably have to replace like for like at this level, and I'm not sure you would for the £1.5m we paid.
If promoted though, we have to upgrade. |
He has prem experience I think we would make a small profit on £1.5m if his contract was longer.
I think Kmac does like him, I’m sure there was an interview a while back when he said he had been promised more game time |  |
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| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 12:09 - Jul 21 with 1764 views | hype313 |
| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 11:17 - Jul 21 by _clive_baker_ |
Don't disagree with that. I wonder if he'll push for a move himself, doesn't feel like its really in anyone's interests for him to stick around, certainly not if we bring in a couple more as expected. |
Just looks like a classic case of the move not working out, with us moving so fast and his best position not used in McKenna's way, along with the fact that Mass was so instrumental in our play.
Just think he will move on, as someone else said, he was £1m and we're now spending 10-15 times that on Midfielders.
He needs to go and play regular football, something he won't get much of here next season or beyond. |  |
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| The curious case of Jack Taylor on 12:17 - Jul 21 with 1680 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
He’s just not good enough, wasn’t good enough to nail down a place in the Champ two seasons ago and the team has continued to evolve significantly since. As other have said if he’s anything higher than 4th choice come September something has gone wrong. The occasional thunderbolt doth not a great player make
Fairly staggered he’s only started 11 games though! |  |
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