| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead 00:05 - Jul 30 with 11243 views | SitfcB |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:56 - Jul 30 with 2331 views | ArmaghBlue |
As good as he is when playing, maybe his fitness concerns are a part of this decision to sell, should it happen. |  | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:57 - Jul 30 with 2314 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:48 - Jul 30 by Vaughan8 |
Of course age plays a part but he's hardly really old. Broadhead is 27 (looked it up) so if a PL wanted him, they could easily match Wrexham's fee which would be a small amount for them, and surely wouldn't want too massive wages.....! Ultimately they don't want him.
Some people on here have an elevated view on Broadhead. If he was as good as people think, a lot "bigger" clubs would be in for him. Don't get me wrong, I like him, but he's clearly not in our future plans and isn't quite good enough for the PL, which we are aiming to get back to this season. |
I don't disagree, they could, its just very rare that PL clubs sign 27 year olds out of the Championship. It doesn't really happen, often they're buying potential and future resale value as much as anything else, which contributes hugely to their appeal and value. Had Broadhead chalked up the stats he did 3 or 4 years earlier in his career he might well have seen the same sort of move Clarke got, but he didn't and dropped to L1.
All that said its ultimately very good money for him at this stage of his career and contract, and however highly anyone rates Broady (and I'm a bona fide superfan) we would be foolish to let him run down his deal, forgo £7.5m and probably a further £1m in wages for him to likely warm our bench for the next 10 months. I'm a big fan of his abilities but I'd take the money in this instance, we're not short in that area and if it helps retain Omari and / or fund Hackney its all for the greater good. [Post edited 30 Jul 14:00]
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 14:04 - Jul 30 with 2225 views | positivity |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:51 - Jul 30 by itfcsuth |
It's an extreme quote, don't be a simpleton.
Of course there is a space for stats, but they are tell a small % of the story - that quote was actually by one of the greatest modern managers in the past 25 years, not this keyboard warrior. |
like joe, herbivore and mckenna, i thnk i'll leave it there; arguing with a blinkered keyboard warrior is like nailing jelly to a wall! |  |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 14:06 - Jul 30 with 2197 views | Churchman |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:32 - Jul 30 by itfcsuth |
Stats, people who don't understand football analyse football, using stats, and them stats are weak as piss as an argument they are so similar.
I've seen Broady, bought in L1, an integral member of a successful group go through L1 and then the Championship to the PL.
I've seen J.Clarke & J.Philogene come in for eye watering sums in comparison at PL level, to try and replace Broady, and ultimately be downgrades on him.
There is nothing impressive about a pair of £20m players, bought in the PL to compete in the PL, having to drop down a league to look good again. |
Eye watering in comparison to what? Broadhead’s fee in 2023? The two you mention were bought with their potential in mind as well as their ability.
I’ve seen NB too. Close up. He’s a smashing player. Lots of good things about his game. Vision, finishing, passing, but he can no more play at Premier League level than I can. He’s not good enough. I noticed particularly during the Wolves game how those he was up against were better than him in every aspect of the game. He wasn’t alone but he was like last pick in the playground by comparison.
Broadhead is a top Championship player. I wish he was staying this season, but only if he wants to, the club want him and he signs a new contract. For whatever reasons that’s not going to happen and it’ll be the fondest of farewells.
Like the others of that team, he’s been great and I wish him well. Especially fitness wise as he’s not the strongest in that department.
If we get anything like £7m for a player that cost £1.5m is in the final year of his contract and gave us a couple of years to remember, that’s decent business. Good for Wrexham, the player and us.
We move on. |  | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 14:08 - Jul 30 with 2172 views | positivity |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:57 - Jul 30 by _clive_baker_ |
I don't disagree, they could, its just very rare that PL clubs sign 27 year olds out of the Championship. It doesn't really happen, often they're buying potential and future resale value as much as anything else, which contributes hugely to their appeal and value. Had Broadhead chalked up the stats he did 3 or 4 years earlier in his career he might well have seen the same sort of move Clarke got, but he didn't and dropped to L1.
All that said its ultimately very good money for him at this stage of his career and contract, and however highly anyone rates Broady (and I'm a bona fide superfan) we would be foolish to let him run down his deal, forgo £7.5m and probably a further £1m in wages for him to likely warm our bench for the next 10 months. I'm a big fan of his abilities but I'd take the money in this instance, we're not short in that area and if it helps retain Omari and / or fund Hackney its all for the greater good. [Post edited 30 Jul 14:00]
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yes, it's 7.5m now or nothing next summer. is he worth that in terms of getting us promoted this season? is he the difference maker? highly unlikely when he's behind philogene and clarke and likely to get very limited game time.
another thing to bear in mind is squad size. if we keep hold of omari, someone else has to go and, much as i love broady, i know who has most value to the side! [Post edited 30 Jul 14:09]
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 14:49 - Jul 30 with 2042 views | itfcsuth |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 14:06 - Jul 30 by Churchman |
Eye watering in comparison to what? Broadhead’s fee in 2023? The two you mention were bought with their potential in mind as well as their ability.
I’ve seen NB too. Close up. He’s a smashing player. Lots of good things about his game. Vision, finishing, passing, but he can no more play at Premier League level than I can. He’s not good enough. I noticed particularly during the Wolves game how those he was up against were better than him in every aspect of the game. He wasn’t alone but he was like last pick in the playground by comparison.
Broadhead is a top Championship player. I wish he was staying this season, but only if he wants to, the club want him and he signs a new contract. For whatever reasons that’s not going to happen and it’ll be the fondest of farewells.
Like the others of that team, he’s been great and I wish him well. Especially fitness wise as he’s not the strongest in that department.
If we get anything like £7m for a player that cost £1.5m is in the final year of his contract and gave us a couple of years to remember, that’s decent business. Good for Wrexham, the player and us.
We move on. |
Brilliant response to be fair - very well put.
Think the business, is a good fee for a player heading in to the final year of his contract.
My point, which I don't think people like, is that I still think Nathan Broadhead is better option/player right now than J.Clarke & J.Philogene, and for that I am disappointed to see him leave.
But as you say, we move on, and it clears the path for the likes of Philogene and J.Clarke to step up to the plate now. |  | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 14:54 - Jul 30 with 2007 views | Herbivore |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 14:49 - Jul 30 by itfcsuth |
Brilliant response to be fair - very well put.
Think the business, is a good fee for a player heading in to the final year of his contract.
My point, which I don't think people like, is that I still think Nathan Broadhead is better option/player right now than J.Clarke & J.Philogene, and for that I am disappointed to see him leave.
But as you say, we move on, and it clears the path for the likes of Philogene and J.Clarke to step up to the plate now. |
It's not that people don't like your point, it's that they completely disagree with it. As does McKenna given he signed those players as upgrades on Broadhead. Your evidence seems to be you watched Broadhead in the Championship with us and he was good and you watched the others in the Prem and they didn't look as good, so they must not be as good. You disregard all other evidence about their respective ability, that's why people find your position frustrating. |  |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 23:30 - Jul 30 with 1816 views | itfcsuth |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 14:54 - Jul 30 by Herbivore |
It's not that people don't like your point, it's that they completely disagree with it. As does McKenna given he signed those players as upgrades on Broadhead. Your evidence seems to be you watched Broadhead in the Championship with us and he was good and you watched the others in the Prem and they didn't look as good, so they must not be as good. You disregard all other evidence about their respective ability, that's why people find your position frustrating. |
I watched Broady in the PL, still the best of the trio.
I also watched the JC and JP being bought in to replace Broady, in the PL, for a near £40m combination, to have to go back down a division to look good is far from impressive.
We didn’t need £20m Championship left sided players, we already had one of them, he was part of the side that fired us automatically out of the Championship to the PL - that was Broady! | | | |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 23:32 - Jul 30 with 1784 views | Vic |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 10:58 - Jul 30 by itfcsuth |
He wouldn't survive 3 seasons as integral member of a KMc squad if his off-the-ball work wasn't good enough - this notion otherwise is pure fiction.
Of course he is inconsistent, wouldn't be with us if he weren't, and most players in that profile are, our squad is no different - but one thing is for sure, he has delivered far more than he hasn't.
Time for others to step up and fill a huge void he will leave. |
Trouble, they already have. |  |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 06:47 - Jul 31 with 1636 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 11:59 - Jul 30 by Herbivore |
Your last paragraph just shows how blinkered you are on this. Philogene got some Champion's League minutes last season for Villa, he's made many more appearances for them than Broadhead did for Everton before being shipped out. He's only ever played in the top 2 divisions despite his young age. Clarke similarly has played virtually all of his football (bar a brief loan spell) in the top 2 divisions and was highly rated enough for Spurs to buy him.
In no way have they performed to a better standard than Broadhead in the Championship? That's your opinion but the stats suggest otherwise. Clarke got 15 goals and several assists in his last season at this level, Philogene got 12 goals and a few assists in the same season, but with fewer appearances than Broadhead. They were standout players at this level. The reason you've not seen them perform better for us than Broadhead is because you've seen Broadhead doing well for us in a promotion winning Championship team, you've only seen Clarke and Philogene playing in a Town side struggling in the Prem.
Again, think you're being very blinkered here. |
Broadhead scored 13 Championship goals in 2312 minutes in 2023/24. Philogene’s 12 came in 2811 minutes so he actually played more than Broadhead, not less. Clarke did indeed score more with 15, but he played 3503 minutes so considerably more
On a minutes per goal basis, Broady was comfortably ahead with a goal every 177 mins compared to one every 233 minutes for Clarke and one every 234 for Philogene
Broadhead also scored twice in the PL last season whereas Clarke didn’t manage a league goal despite a lot more game time. Philogene also scored twice and pipped Broady on a minutes per goal basis, albeit slightly aided by one being an absolute gift
If you’re going to quote goal stats and then act like they’re the be all and end all when someone suggests stats aren’t the be all and end all, it might help to check they actually draw the conclusion you want them to |  |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 06:55 - Jul 31 with 1576 views | Blue_Heath |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 06:47 - Jul 31 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Broadhead scored 13 Championship goals in 2312 minutes in 2023/24. Philogene’s 12 came in 2811 minutes so he actually played more than Broadhead, not less. Clarke did indeed score more with 15, but he played 3503 minutes so considerably more
On a minutes per goal basis, Broady was comfortably ahead with a goal every 177 mins compared to one every 233 minutes for Clarke and one every 234 for Philogene
Broadhead also scored twice in the PL last season whereas Clarke didn’t manage a league goal despite a lot more game time. Philogene also scored twice and pipped Broady on a minutes per goal basis, albeit slightly aided by one being an absolute gift
If you’re going to quote goal stats and then act like they’re the be all and end all when someone suggests stats aren’t the be all and end all, it might help to check they actually draw the conclusion you want them to |
Interesting stats, but £7.5m should be accepted without question otherwise we face another Burgess situation. | | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 06:58 - Jul 31 with 1544 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 06:55 - Jul 31 by Blue_Heath |
Interesting stats, but £7.5m should be accepted without question otherwise we face another Burgess situation. |
Completely agree, it’s excellent money for a player who isn’t first choice and seemingly not 100% happy | |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 07:23 - Jul 31 with 1382 views | Herbivore |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 06:47 - Jul 31 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Broadhead scored 13 Championship goals in 2312 minutes in 2023/24. Philogene’s 12 came in 2811 minutes so he actually played more than Broadhead, not less. Clarke did indeed score more with 15, but he played 3503 minutes so considerably more
On a minutes per goal basis, Broady was comfortably ahead with a goal every 177 mins compared to one every 233 minutes for Clarke and one every 234 for Philogene
Broadhead also scored twice in the PL last season whereas Clarke didn’t manage a league goal despite a lot more game time. Philogene also scored twice and pipped Broady on a minutes per goal basis, albeit slightly aided by one being an absolute gift
If you’re going to quote goal stats and then act like they’re the be all and end all when someone suggests stats aren’t the be all and end all, it might help to check they actually draw the conclusion you want them to |
Oh here he is. I haven't said stats are the only thing that matters so nice straw man argument there. In fact, the first half of the post you took so much time to reply to is not about stats at all but about their respective background and pedigree. If you're going to condescend when you've not even read the post you're replying to, maybe stick to your sh!t two sentence snipes from the sidelines rather than investing so much effort into a post.
Edit - In respect of the statistics, they also highlight something else that's interesting, which is that Broadhead's form and fitness limits his game time. He only featured in just over half our minutes in the Championship and rarely completed 90 minutes. By contrast, Philogene only failed to complete the full 90 minutes on three occasions when available. Clarke only failed to do so on five occasions. Broadhead only completed the full 90 minutes on four occasions all season. 9 of Broadhead's appearances were also from the bench in comparison to no bench appearances from the other two.
That context is important when considering goals per minutes as players who are playing fewer minutes per game often end up with goals to minutes ratios that appear disproportionately impressive. Goals to minutes would tell you Ali Al Hamidi is a WAY more effective Championship goalscorer than George Hirst, they'd also tell you that Hirst is a more effective Prem goalscorer than Liam Delap. There's a reason Delap has moved to Chelsea and not Hirst, just as there are reasons Clarke and Philogene got big money Prem moves while Broadhead is about to sign for Wrexham. [Post edited 31 Jul 8:09]
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 07:31 - Jul 31 with 1307 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
One of my favourite players in my time supporting Town, fantastic feet, unpredictability, and some great moments. Sheff Weds (most unbelievable FK goal I’ve seen at PR), Port Vale, Southampton.
That said, 7.5m is an absolute no/brainer for me - a tidy profit on a (now) largely squad player who’s had a fair share of injuries. Thanks for everything Broady ! | | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 08:16 - Jul 31 with 1148 views | positivity |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 23:30 - Jul 30 by itfcsuth |
I watched Broady in the PL, still the best of the trio.
I also watched the JC and JP being bought in to replace Broady, in the PL, for a near £40m combination, to have to go back down a division to look good is far from impressive.
We didn’t need £20m Championship left sided players, we already had one of them, he was part of the side that fired us automatically out of the Championship to the PL - that was Broady! |
he's good, but he's demonstrably not a 20m player otherwise we'd have taken that 20m and banked it long ago!
he was very patchy in the prem. yes, so was clarke, but he has the benefit of youth and more time to improve under mckenna's coaching, broady may have reached his ceiling already. | |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 08:21 - Jul 31 with 1101 views | Herbivore |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 23:30 - Jul 30 by itfcsuth |
I watched Broady in the PL, still the best of the trio.
I also watched the JC and JP being bought in to replace Broady, in the PL, for a near £40m combination, to have to go back down a division to look good is far from impressive.
We didn’t need £20m Championship left sided players, we already had one of them, he was part of the side that fired us automatically out of the Championship to the PL - that was Broady! |
How are you not managing in the top flight? Clearly you can see something that McKenna and all the scouts at top end Championship and Premier League clubs can't see. | |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 08:23 - Jul 31 with 1095 views | pointofblue |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 07:23 - Jul 31 by Herbivore |
Oh here he is. I haven't said stats are the only thing that matters so nice straw man argument there. In fact, the first half of the post you took so much time to reply to is not about stats at all but about their respective background and pedigree. If you're going to condescend when you've not even read the post you're replying to, maybe stick to your sh!t two sentence snipes from the sidelines rather than investing so much effort into a post.
Edit - In respect of the statistics, they also highlight something else that's interesting, which is that Broadhead's form and fitness limits his game time. He only featured in just over half our minutes in the Championship and rarely completed 90 minutes. By contrast, Philogene only failed to complete the full 90 minutes on three occasions when available. Clarke only failed to do so on five occasions. Broadhead only completed the full 90 minutes on four occasions all season. 9 of Broadhead's appearances were also from the bench in comparison to no bench appearances from the other two.
That context is important when considering goals per minutes as players who are playing fewer minutes per game often end up with goals to minutes ratios that appear disproportionately impressive. Goals to minutes would tell you Ali Al Hamidi is a WAY more effective Championship goalscorer than George Hirst, they'd also tell you that Hirst is a more effective Prem goalscorer than Liam Delap. There's a reason Delap has moved to Chelsea and not Hirst, just as there are reasons Clarke and Philogene got big money Prem moves while Broadhead is about to sign for Wrexham. [Post edited 31 Jul 8:09]
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Though how much of failing to complete the 90 is down to Broadhead's fitness and how much is down to McKenna's approach of replacing the front four after 65? | |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 08:30 - Jul 31 with 1044 views | Herbivore |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 08:23 - Jul 31 by pointofblue |
Though how much of failing to complete the 90 is down to Broadhead's fitness and how much is down to McKenna's approach of replacing the front four after 65? |
Omari completed 90 minutes on 13 occasions despite only staring 20 times. Chaplin completed 90 minutes on 10 occasions. McKenna's preference for changing the front players had some impact I imagine but others in his position played far more minutes per game. Hutchinson started about half the number of games that Broadhead did but ended up playing more minutes over the season. | |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 08:42 - Jul 31 with 980 views | Smoresy |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 07:31 - Jul 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
One of my favourite players in my time supporting Town, fantastic feet, unpredictability, and some great moments. Sheff Weds (most unbelievable FK goal I’ve seen at PR), Port Vale, Southampton.
That said, 7.5m is an absolute no/brainer for me - a tidy profit on a (now) largely squad player who’s had a fair share of injuries. Thanks for everything Broady ! |
Amen - and he's been much more available than I feared he may be when we signed him (the glass knees picture painted by fans of his previous clubs), so if a Wrexham fan's reading this thread, it isn't something that would keep me awake at night.
Look forward to welcoming him home from the stands in November, as well as Kayden in August, Burge in February, Mass in March, Fridge in April, and I fear Woolf in ... based on the other thread. Will be the first time in my 20+ years following Town that ex players line up against who brought us genuine jubilation, and who moved on effectively because the club felt they'd outgrown them. | | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:30 - Jul 31 with 663 views | TVRBlue |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 14:06 - Jul 30 by Churchman |
Eye watering in comparison to what? Broadhead’s fee in 2023? The two you mention were bought with their potential in mind as well as their ability.
I’ve seen NB too. Close up. He’s a smashing player. Lots of good things about his game. Vision, finishing, passing, but he can no more play at Premier League level than I can. He’s not good enough. I noticed particularly during the Wolves game how those he was up against were better than him in every aspect of the game. He wasn’t alone but he was like last pick in the playground by comparison.
Broadhead is a top Championship player. I wish he was staying this season, but only if he wants to, the club want him and he signs a new contract. For whatever reasons that’s not going to happen and it’ll be the fondest of farewells.
Like the others of that team, he’s been great and I wish him well. Especially fitness wise as he’s not the strongest in that department.
If we get anything like £7m for a player that cost £1.5m is in the final year of his contract and gave us a couple of years to remember, that’s decent business. Good for Wrexham, the player and us.
We move on. |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:38 - Jul 31 with 577 views | Ryorry |
Don’t care about all the arguments for letting him go, I’ll still be totally gutted if he does, still think he’s better than a couple of other attackers brought in last season. If he really is off, we’d better bring in someone as good as him or better to replace him or I’ll be even more  . |  |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:50 - Jul 31 with 476 views | Herbivore |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:38 - Jul 31 by Ryorry |
Don’t care about all the arguments for letting him go, I’ll still be totally gutted if he does, still think he’s better than a couple of other attackers brought in last season. If he really is off, we’d better bring in someone as good as him or better to replace him or I’ll be even more . |
We don't need to replace him. The reason we're considering letting him go is because he already has Clarke and Philogene ahead of him, with Omari and Szmodics also able to play in his position. We aren't going to be bringing in a replacement when we're already very well stocked in that area of the pitch. | |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:55 - Jul 31 with 432 views | Ryorry |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:50 - Jul 31 by Herbivore |
We don't need to replace him. The reason we're considering letting him go is because he already has Clarke and Philogene ahead of him, with Omari and Szmodics also able to play in his position. We aren't going to be bringing in a replacement when we're already very well stocked in that area of the pitch. |
Would of course accept Hutch staying as alternative!
SS - we'll see how he is on return. [Post edited 31 Jul 13:55]
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:58 - Jul 31 with 384 views | Herbivore |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:55 - Jul 31 by Ryorry |
Would of course accept Hutch staying as alternative!
SS - we'll see how he is on return. [Post edited 31 Jul 13:55]
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If Hutch stays we are stacked with quality in those areas. I think if Hutch and Broadhead go then we need one more for sure, but probably someone to play as a 10 or to offer a different option on the right. The left sided forward area is already very competitive. | |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 14:18 - Jul 31 with 261 views | Ryorry |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:58 - Jul 31 by Herbivore |
If Hutch stays we are stacked with quality in those areas. I think if Hutch and Broadhead go then we need one more for sure, but probably someone to play as a 10 or to offer a different option on the right. The left sided forward area is already very competitive. |
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