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Now, what do we do…. 09:02 - Aug 5 with 5499 views

If omari is still here come Friday and no transfer is imminent does he play a part in the team on Friday at Birmingham? He is still contracted here and the club pay his wages so he has no right to refuse to play. He offers something special and can be a game changer if needed Friday night. Forget about his little tantrum last weekend if he isn’t sold this summer then what do we do with him? I’m not sure his really worthy of being a little arrogant thinking he’s a premier league player he was fairly poor in most games last season so I’m not sure why he’s trying to push himself out the club.

Just a thought though he still has to feature at some point on Friday if he’s still here. What are your lots thoughts?

Now, what do we do…. on 10:41 - Aug 5 with 1066 views

Wright1

Now, what do we do…. on 10:09 - Aug 5 by Pinewoodblue
This isn’t a racial issue, why try to make it one.

There are way more instances of black players (particularly young ones) being quickly labelled arrogant in my opinion. Much in the same way people will hone in on a black player's physical attributes first and foremost rather than their technical ability or football IQ etc.

People don't like to hear it but these unconscious biases are quite common and ingrained in society.

I'd be shocked if many on here knew enough about Omari and his character to suggest much about him. He seems a quiet lad and hasn't been in the media much.

Now, what do we do…. on 10:43 - Aug 5 with 1048 views

Mullet

So until he stays he's sh1t now? Same as Cajuste being too injury prone or whatever last week?

Some people eh?

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Now, what do we do…. on 10:45 - Aug 5 with 1016 views

Herbivore

Now, what do we do…. on 10:41 - Aug 5 by Wright1

Black players are often criticised for things like their attitude or mentality and, as you say, more often spoke about in terms of their physical attributes and described as powerful or athletic rather than clever or technical. Look at some of the ways Sterling gets/got talked about both as a player and as a person, very clearly unconscious bias at play alongside the more overt racism he also experienced. People immediately questioned Omari's character and attitude for missing Auxerre, the same didn't happen when Broadhead missed the game the week before, or when Szmodics revealed he refused to play for Blackburn to force a move to us.

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Now, what do we do…. on 10:53 - Aug 5 with 950 views

warky_1970

Agreed.

Some believe he looked like a world beater last season. He’s a very good championship player and I’d like him to stay and help us win promotion again. Then we can see how he looks in the Prem with another 12 months of experience under his belt. At our valuation I think it speaks volumes that there are very few links with top flight teams.

Now, what do we do…. on 10:55 - Aug 5 with 937 views

warky_1970

Now, what do we do…. on 09:21 - Aug 5 by chicoazul
Once again a young black Ipswich player is accused of being arrogant.

You’re the one mentioning skin colour. Which is pretty racist of you.

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Now, what do we do…. on 10:55 - Aug 5 with 941 views

Basuco

He gets my full support whatever happens, I have enjoyed watching him give his all for Town, if he is confident in his own ability to make it as a Premier League player, good on him, regardless if Brentford are not willing to meet our valuation, or if they do and he is on his way out, he goes with my best wishes.
If the deal is basically in the right area then he does not play Friday, but whatever happens, stay or go, thanks for the memories Omari, but please stay you have been a great servant to ITFC and a nice guy as well.

Now, what do we do…. on 10:56 - Aug 5 with 927 views

bartyg

Now, what do we do…. on 10:55 - Aug 5 by warky_1970
You’re the one mentioning skin colour. Which is pretty racist of you.

Nothing's certain in life but you can be sure the people dismissing racism claims are over 50

Now, what do we do…. on 10:57 - Aug 5 with 911 views

Sarge

Now, what do we do…. on 09:54 - Aug 5 by Herbivore
As others have mentioned, Broadhead missed the previous friendly amidst transfer speculation and didn't get anything like the same response.

It’s probably because Hutchinson going is what the player (allegedly) wants despite being first choice whereas if Broadhead even wants to leave it’s likely because he’s not going to get a look in and didn’t last season either. People probably have more sympathy with a player in the latter case. Implying it’s in some way related to his skin colour is moronic and entirely unsurprising for the poster.

Now, what do we do…. on 10:57 - Aug 5 with 906 views

warky_1970

Now, what do we do…. on 10:56 - Aug 5 by bartyg
Nothing's certain in life but you can be sure the people dismissing racism claims are over 50

You’re the one mentioning age which is pretty ageist of you.

Now, what do we do…. on 10:58 - Aug 5 with 906 views

blueasfook

Now, what do we do…. on 10:53 - Aug 5 by warky_1970
Agreed. Some believe he looked like a world beater last season. He’s a very good championship player and I’d like him to stay and help us win promotion again. Then we can see how he looks in the Prem with another 12 months of experience under his belt. At our valuation I think it speaks volumes that there are very few links with top flight teams.

I got frustrated with him at times last season. Held on to the ball too long often when a pass or a cross would have been a better option. Shooting wasn't great either at times and was frustrating to see him blast them over. I called him Pound Shop Ronaldo last season - got a me a few downvotes lol.

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Now, what do we do…. on 11:13 - Aug 5 with 826 views

SouthBucksBlue

Now, what do we do…. on 09:54 - Aug 5 by Herbivore
As others have mentioned, Broadhead missed the previous friendly amidst transfer speculation and didn't get anything like the same response.

And this is because he is black is it?

Now, what do we do…. on 11:15 - Aug 5 with 820 views

Pinewoodblue

Now, what do we do…. on 10:41 - Aug 5 by Wright1

To reach the top, as a footballer, you need the skill and also a plentiful supply of self belief.

Unfortunately the latter is often seen as arrogance.

The colour of skin is irrelevant and anyone who thinks otherwise is a racist and perhaps ought to be removed from the forum.

Someone commented that you can be sure those who make racist comments are over 50. I’m 80 next year and yes the demographic has changed over my lifetime but tarring everyone over 50 as likely to be racist is ignorance.

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Now, what do we do…. on 11:19 - Aug 5 with 801 views

Herbivore

Now, what do we do…. on 11:13 - Aug 5 by SouthBucksBlue
And this is because he is black is it?

This isn't a one off example, it happens all the time where Black players' attitudes or their mentality are immediately questioned in ways that white players' aren't. If you think the colour of a player's skin has nothing to do with fans' opinions of them then you're entitled to that view, but the evidence suggests otherwise. Racism isn't always overt.

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Now, what do we do…. on 11:33 - Aug 5 with 720 views

woodbridge_blue

Now, what do we do…. on 09:36 - Aug 5 by Guthrum

What tantrum? McKenna didn't say he refused to play, but that he was left out - of a pre-season friendly, requiring travel to France.

At the age of only 21, he's had an intense promotion season, followed by an extremely intense and ultimately unsuccessful Prem season, then a top-level international Youth competition, which they won just 38 days ago, plus a load of upheaval over his future on top (leaving Chelsea for Ipswich, then possible moves on from there after a single year). Perhaps he's just mentally tired, maybe still physically so.

These are human beings, still quite young, not characters in a game or film.

This is the perfect response.

As well as following Town I am a member of Surrey CCC. Only last week at the Test Match we were reminded of the tragic story of Graham Thorpe.

For a couple of years, members were simply advised that Thorpey was unwell. No one was aware of the hell he and his family were going through until the ultimate horrendous conclusion.

I'm not comparing this to the current Omari situation for one second, but my point is that none of us are ever fully aware of the mental health of most people, let alone players who we follow avidly but are completely detached from us on a personal level.

He might just need a break and will return on Friday night refreshed and raring to go, but in the meantime we should respect his decision not to go to France on Saturday and give the young man our full support.

Now, what do we do…. on 11:51 - Aug 5 with 665 views

WeWereZombies

Now, what do we do…. on 10:56 - Aug 5 by bartyg
Nothing's certain in life but you can be sure the people dismissing racism claims are over 50

In the absence of Facters I think I had better step in and ask you to take a look in the mirror and see if the face looking back at you could be ageist. Just because us old guys keep our own counsel sometimes doesn't mean that we don't watch and feel concern for the people we grew up with who happen to be a different skin colour.

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Now, what do we do…. on 11:53 - Aug 5 with 651 views

SouthBucksBlue

Now, what do we do…. on 11:19 - Aug 5 by Herbivore
This isn't a one off example, it happens all the time where Black players' attitudes or their mentality are immediately questioned in ways that white players' aren't. If you think the colour of a player's skin has nothing to do with fans' opinions of them then you're entitled to that view, but the evidence suggests otherwise. Racism isn't always overt.

I am of course aware that racism isn’t always overt and I agree that sometimes attitudes towards players can be distorted by prejudice but hasn’t racism being suggested ludicrously in this case?

Broadhead is not generally in the starting line up and his motivation for wanting a move is generally understood and sympathised with. Also we don’t know whose call his absence in that game squad was.

KM specifically said that it was Omari’s request not to be involved against Auxerre.
You really think racism was involved in the differing fan reactions?

Now, what do we do…. on 12:00 - Aug 5 with 597 views

Herbivore

Now, what do we do…. on 11:53 - Aug 5 by SouthBucksBlue

I think it's very possible there's some unconscious bias going on, we see too much of it for it to be a coincidence. It's interesting that Broadhead wanting to move to get more minutes is seen as understandable and worthy of sympathy but Hutch wanting to move to play at a higher level is seen as arrogance or disrespectful.

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Now, what do we do…. on 12:29 - Aug 5 with 520 views

warky_1970

Now, what do we do…. on 12:00 - Aug 5 by Herbivore
I think it's very possible there's some unconscious bias going on, we see too much of it for it to be a coincidence. It's interesting that Broadhead wanting to move to get more minutes is seen as understandable and worthy of sympathy but Hutch wanting to move to play at a higher level is seen as arrogance or disrespectful.

Wanting a move for extra minutes is understandable.

Wanting a move because you reckon you should be playing in the prem and earning mega bucks after just showing you were simply not good enough in the Prem last season is indeed arrogance. Skin colour does not come into it.

Now, what do we do…. on 12:36 - Aug 5 with 491 views

Herbivore

Now, what do we do…. on 12:29 - Aug 5 by warky_1970
Wanting a move for extra minutes is understandable. Wanting a move because you reckon you should be playing in the prem and earning mega bucks after just showing you were simply not good enough in the Prem last season is indeed arrogance. Skin colour does not come into it.

Think you've proven my point. Cheers.

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Now, what do we do…. on 12:38 - Aug 5 with 479 views

DarkBrandon

Now, what do we do…. on 11:33 - Aug 5 by woodbridge_blue

Quite.

Not mental health ... but I think back to Jason Cundy's absence due to treatment for testicular cancer. It was reported that he had a leg injury or something, as he (and probably his family) wanted to keep it to themselves while he went through it all. Entirely fair enough.

We never really know what's going on behind the scenes.

Now, what do we do…. on 12:41 - Aug 5 with 446 views

FrimleyBlue

Now, what do we do…. on 09:54 - Aug 5 by Herbivore
As others have mentioned, Broadhead missed the previous friendly amidst transfer speculation and didn't get anything like the same response.

If KM said after the game Broady missed it for the same reason he said Hutch did, I'd have replied the same way I had for Hutch

Im happy to apologise If KM did say that about broady, but I can't remember reading that

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Now, what do we do…. on 12:47 - Aug 5 with 422 views

bartyg

Now, what do we do…. on 11:51 - Aug 5 by WeWereZombies
In the absence of Facters I think I had better step in and ask you to take a look in the mirror and see if the face looking back at you could be ageist. Just because us old guys keep our own counsel sometimes doesn't mean that we don't watch and feel concern for the people we grew up with who happen to be a different skin colour.

I was merely highlighting that people in your age group are more likely to hold racist views than those in younger cohorts.

I apologise if you feel I've tarred all of your generation with that brush, I know that there are of course many who sympathise.

Now, what do we do…. on 13:02 - Aug 5 with 378 views

warky_1970

Now, what do we do…. on 12:47 - Aug 5 by bartyg
I was merely highlighting that people in your age group are more likely to hold racist views than those in younger cohorts. I apologise if you feel I've tarred all of your generation with that brush, I know that there are of course many who sympathise.

Well that’s just b0ll0cks as from footage I saw of the rioting in Epping the other week there were a massive amount of under 50s that wanted the “illegals” gone.

Now, what do we do…. on 13:06 - Aug 5 with 362 views

StokieBlue

Now, what do we do…. on 13:02 - Aug 5 by warky_1970
Well that’s just b0ll0cks as from footage I saw of the rioting in Epping the other week there were a massive amount of under 50s that wanted the “illegals” gone.

That's some really good peer-reviewed expert evidence you've provided there.

Thanks for sharing.

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Now, what do we do…. on 13:10 - Aug 5 with 337 views

BarcaBlue

Now, what do we do…. on 13:02 - Aug 5 by warky_1970
Well that’s just b0ll0cks as from footage I saw of the rioting in Epping the other week there were a massive amount of under 50s that wanted the “illegals” gone.

Maybe because over 50 racists aren't so active as under 50 racists. Still racist scum though.

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