| Playing out from the back 10:12 - Aug 9 with 1058 views | DJR |
Maybe it was just the nature of the game but we didn't attempt to play out from the back much last night.
In any event, with Woolfy not in the team, we just don't seem to be as well geared up to play that way.
The issue though is that playing out from the back enables us to gain possession and put a few passes together, something that we largely failed to do for much of the game last night, which only played into Birmingham's hands.
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| Playing out from the back on 10:20 - Aug 9 with 980 views | Garv |
Without wanting to mention the M word constantly, it's another aspect of our play that is going to suffer following his exit. |  |
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| Playing out from the back on 10:22 - Aug 9 with 957 views | pointofblue |
| Playing out from the back on 10:20 - Aug 9 by Garv |
Without wanting to mention the M word constantly, it's another aspect of our play that is going to suffer following his exit. |
Off the field I don't really care that he's gone. On the field it does seem odd we met him leave without replacing him first. I did think last night a lack of Woolfenden hindered us playing out from the back, but no M word - or someone like him - hindered is too. |  |
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| Playing out from the back on 10:28 - Aug 9 with 905 views | Guthrum |
We would have been in trouble had we tried too much of that. Brum's aggressive press didn't allow any time for it until later in the game when they began to tire and sit back a bit more. Everything was rushed, with too many Brum players in the way for the second stage of transition through the midfield.
Long kicking at least got the ball well up the field with a chance of us ending up with it. |  |
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| Playing out from the back on 10:32 - Aug 9 with 865 views | SitfcB |
Birmingham didn’t either tbf - two teams with the same style of play, was probably always going to a bit of a shîte game.
I said on the way out to a Birmingham fan that it didn’t make for a great game because we both have the same styles of play, won’t come up against opposition like that every week! |  |
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| Playing out from the back on 10:36 - Aug 9 with 829 views | jasondozzell |
I think it was the frenetic nature of the game but totally agree we needed more control.
We seemed in a rush to counter and gave away the ball so cheaply at times.
I would have liked us to have played our football more but perhaps the game and missing Morsy made that a tall order.
Taylor and Szmods at times looked for Hollywood ball rather than keeping possession. |  | | |
| Playing out from the back on 10:55 - Aug 9 with 750 views | southnorfolkblue |
We did try to do it through Matusiwa but he got caught out on a number of occasions so we went more direct which was probably the right thing to do in the circumstances | |
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| Playing out from the back on 11:01 - Aug 9 with 711 views | thebooks |
Yeah, and Palmer seems happier hoofing it up the park.
I think Cajuste will help a lot.
Brum shouldn’t have sat back after going up as that helped us keep possession more. We didn’t look too bad from about 60m on.
Certain players getting stick, which will no doubt develop into the usual which player will we get on the back of thing (lots of candidates this year, but my money will be on Clarke, followed by AAH and Ben Johnson). But I felt last night was, weirdly enough, a tactical thing. We were way too passive.
I think KM needs to figure out an approach for when we’re the league favourites. We played like last season yesterday. |  | | |
| Playing out from the back on 11:06 - Aug 9 with 671 views | urbanpenguin |
| Playing out from the back on 11:01 - Aug 9 by thebooks |
Yeah, and Palmer seems happier hoofing it up the park.
I think Cajuste will help a lot.
Brum shouldn’t have sat back after going up as that helped us keep possession more. We didn’t look too bad from about 60m on.
Certain players getting stick, which will no doubt develop into the usual which player will we get on the back of thing (lots of candidates this year, but my money will be on Clarke, followed by AAH and Ben Johnson). But I felt last night was, weirdly enough, a tactical thing. We were way too passive.
I think KM needs to figure out an approach for when we’re the league favourites. We played like last season yesterday. |
I suspect it will change depending on the team we play. McK knew that Brum were going to push tight on defenders as they had quick front players, and the tactic was for Hirst to flick on to a Szmodics run through, which nearly worked sometimes but not enough.
I suspect against other teams, like Saints next week, it will be more build up. Also, for build up to work, we need a holding midfielder who knows the system inside out, which we clearly don't have yet. |  | | |
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| Playing out from the back on 11:09 - Aug 9 with 657 views | DJR |
| Playing out from the back on 10:20 - Aug 9 by Garv |
Without wanting to mention the M word constantly, it's another aspect of our play that is going to suffer following his exit. |
I saw Muric live in every game he played, and didn't think that he was good with his feet, not least because of his size and bulk.
I think Palmer is better with his feet but it has been noticeable since Christmas that we have tended to be more direct.
I thought that a pragmatic response to our struggles in the Premiership, and maybe the view was taken that last night's game would be rather backs-to-the wall as well.
I imagine against Southampton we will be much more likely to revert to type but I think it is noticeable that Greaves doesn't really strike me as someone keen to make himself available, in contrast to Burgess who turned out to be surprisingly good playing it out from the back.
And of course we no longer have Hladky who was fantastic with his feet. [Post edited 9 Aug 11:12]
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| Playing out from the back on 11:15 - Aug 9 with 613 views | TractorJack |
The Birmingham pressure was very good but we can still be more composed. Palmer sadly never looks that calm with the ball at his feet. Really makes you realise how good Hladky was at that. |  | | |
| Playing out from the back on 11:27 - Aug 9 with 571 views | Dennyx4 |
| Playing out from the back on 11:09 - Aug 9 by DJR |
I saw Muric live in every game he played, and didn't think that he was good with his feet, not least because of his size and bulk.
I think Palmer is better with his feet but it has been noticeable since Christmas that we have tended to be more direct.
I thought that a pragmatic response to our struggles in the Premiership, and maybe the view was taken that last night's game would be rather backs-to-the wall as well.
I imagine against Southampton we will be much more likely to revert to type but I think it is noticeable that Greaves doesn't really strike me as someone keen to make himself available, in contrast to Burgess who turned out to be surprisingly good playing it out from the back.
And of course we no longer have Hladky who was fantastic with his feet. [Post edited 9 Aug 11:12]
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Thought the M word related to Morsy, but could well have been Muric. Personally, think both would have helped with passing out from the back.
I am not convinced with Palmer with the ball at his feet, but wasn’t convinced with Muric in that regard either, albeit I do think he is better than Palmer. Neither are anywhere near the level of Hladky at passing.
Not every team will press us, however, if we do look shaky, you can see more teams, making that a tactic to try and win the ball high up the pitch against us.
I think Young playing right back, may also help with playing out from the back.
We badly missed a threat out wide yesterday, Ogbene still working his way back to match fitness.A Hutchinson or Philogene would have given us a much bigger threat, and also stopped a team committing to a high press. |  | | |
| Playing out from the back on 11:28 - Aug 9 with 569 views | SomethingBlue |
It's next to impossible when Palmer is the starting keeper and it's looking like a real issue. | |
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| Playing out from the back on 11:42 - Aug 9 with 492 views | Chocorange |
| Playing out from the back on 11:28 - Aug 9 by SomethingBlue |
It's next to impossible when Palmer is the starting keeper and it's looking like a real issue. |
How much would it cost to get Hladky back?
Hardly played for Burnley and their fans don’t think much of him.
Suits the way we want to play out from the back |  | | |
| Playing out from the back on 11:54 - Aug 9 with 451 views | DJR |
| Playing out from the back on 11:27 - Aug 9 by Dennyx4 |
Thought the M word related to Morsy, but could well have been Muric. Personally, think both would have helped with passing out from the back.
I am not convinced with Palmer with the ball at his feet, but wasn’t convinced with Muric in that regard either, albeit I do think he is better than Palmer. Neither are anywhere near the level of Hladky at passing.
Not every team will press us, however, if we do look shaky, you can see more teams, making that a tactic to try and win the ball high up the pitch against us.
I think Young playing right back, may also help with playing out from the back.
We badly missed a threat out wide yesterday, Ogbene still working his way back to match fitness.A Hutchinson or Philogene would have given us a much bigger threat, and also stopped a team committing to a high press. |
Yep, I think I may have misinterpreted.
And clearly Mosry was a loss in that sense, given how used he is to playing that way. [Post edited 9 Aug 11:54]
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| Playing out from the back on 11:55 - Aug 9 with 438 views | GlasgowBlue |
More to do with the keeper than the defenders. |  |
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| Playing out from the back on 11:58 - Aug 9 with 419 views | pointofblue |
| Playing out from the back on 11:55 - Aug 9 by GlasgowBlue |
More to do with the keeper than the defenders. |
To an extent, but O'Shea is not as comfortable with the ball as Woolfenden. So we basically have players who are upgrades in the basics of goalkeeping (arguably in Palmer's case) and defending but not in our style of play. Arguably the same could be said of Clarke. | |
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| Playing out from the back on 12:02 - Aug 9 with 405 views | franz_tyson |
Morsy was the main focal point for playing out from the back -not Woolfy. | | | |
| Playing out from the back on 12:03 - Aug 9 with 388 views | pointofblue |
| Playing out from the back on 12:02 - Aug 9 by franz_tyson |
Morsy was the main focal point for playing out from the back -not Woolfy. |
The pair of them were key. I know it's the done thing on here to drag down Woolfenden at every opportunity in order to lift O'Shea but he played a key role for us for two seasons. | |
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| Playing out from the back on 12:09 - Aug 9 with 348 views | BloomBlue |
On the wireless a few weeks ago, the topic of the GK 8 second rule was discussed. Joe Hart felt that initially that would have an impact on GKs playing out from the back ie short pass to a midfielder.
His reasoning was previously, GKs could hold onto it long enough for the midfielder to find space. Now with the 8 second rule the midfielder is going to have to take the ball a lot quicker, resulting in mistakes, and/or more long kicks from the GK.
He felt players would adjust quickly, but did predict for the first few games you would see less playing out from the back. |  | | |
| Playing out from the back on 12:10 - Aug 9 with 333 views | Nutkins_Return |
We did try but we didn't do it well at all. Always seemed to end with a punt and a turnover. Mix of things:
1. Birmingham pressed very well.
2. We are a team that haven't all played together long. Needs quite a bit of work.
3. Need someone doing that Morsy brave take it deep and turn. I don't think anyone was avoiding the ball. Just not used to it. Humphreys would probably be the most natural to drop and find space/gaps. Cajuste will be a big upgrade on that as well.
4. Omari was always a really good option with excellent control. Bounced off Clarke for example or he tried to spin and lose.
More than anything will just take a bit of time and relationships to build all over the pitch. | |
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| Playing out from the back on 12:18 - Aug 9 with 294 views | le2blue |
| Playing out from the back on 11:28 - Aug 9 by SomethingBlue |
It's next to impossible when Palmer is the starting keeper and it's looking like a real issue. |
Totally agree with this, he doesn't instill confidence into his defence either. I personally think we need to upgrade, it's an area that Kieran has not nailed since League 1, such a shame that Muric has not worked out. |  | | |
| Playing out from the back on 12:20 - Aug 9 with 283 views | franz_tyson |
| Playing out from the back on 12:03 - Aug 9 by pointofblue |
The pair of them were key. I know it's the done thing on here to drag down Woolfenden at every opportunity in order to lift O'Shea but he played a key role for us for two seasons. |
It's nothing to do with O'Shea. Just that Woolfendens always been overhyped as a ballplaying Beckenbauer defender. Woolfy's à far better defender than given credit for with a nice touch - but Morsy was always the one demanding the ball in tight spots and he's big miss if we continue to play out from the back. | | | |
| Playing out from the back on 12:24 - Aug 9 with 246 views | Radlett_blue |
| Playing out from the back on 10:55 - Aug 9 by southnorfolkblue |
We did try to do it through Matusiwa but he got caught out on a number of occasions so we went more direct which was probably the right thing to do in the circumstances |
Matusiwa looked out of his depth last night. I'm not going to write him off after one game, but he sure needs to adjust to the faster pace of the EFL than the French & Dutch leagues where he has played. Last night was a baptism of fire, with Birmingham pressing aggressively & he should do better against different opposition, but it's a worry. |  |
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| Playing out from the back on 12:27 - Aug 9 with 224 views | pointofblue |
| Playing out from the back on 12:20 - Aug 9 by franz_tyson |
It's nothing to do with O'Shea. Just that Woolfendens always been overhyped as a ballplaying Beckenbauer defender. Woolfy's à far better defender than given credit for with a nice touch - but Morsy was always the one demanding the ball in tight spots and he's big miss if we continue to play out from the back. |
I think the hope is Matusiwa will grow into that role. We were kind to Morsy to let him go when we did - maybe too kind.
But I also think Woolfenden was happy with the ball at his feet, inviting pressure and allowing players to find space. O'Shea and Greaves prefer to move it on quicker, sometimes when options are not there. | |
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| Playing out from the back on 12:50 - Aug 9 with 151 views | franz_tyson |
| Playing out from the back on 12:27 - Aug 9 by pointofblue |
I think the hope is Matusiwa will grow into that role. We were kind to Morsy to let him go when we did - maybe too kind.
But I also think Woolfenden was happy with the ball at his feet, inviting pressure and allowing players to find space. O'Shea and Greaves prefer to move it on quicker, sometimes when options are not there. |
Got no problem going long as football goes in cycles and maybe playing out from the back will probably become less popular. It only makes sense if the "risk and reward" creates more reward. We see forwards becoming better at closing down and forcing mistakes. Wasn't our best chance last night from Szmodics pouncing on a mistake?
Be good to mix it up. I wonder if Cajuste will be the designated go-to when playing it short. | | | |
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