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National anthem booed on 00:02 - Aug 11 by ArnoldMoorhen
The most worrying thing about this reply is that you seem to be unable to see that all countries have propaganda.
Singing the National Anthem, which actually is nothing about the nation and everything about one man in an inherited position reigning over us, in a crowd, in an emotionally charged atmosphere, at a big football match, is the very definition of propaganda, and has many of the features of cult-like brainwashing.
The way that certain players have been highlighted and had their loyalty or patriotism questioned if they haven't sung the anthem, and indeed the responses in this thread, demonstrate the fact that those who deviate from the accepted norm, for whatever reason are viewed with suspicion and othered.
Just because we call it pageantry when the Royals process around in front of the public, or the military march past them, doesn't mean that it doesn't serve exactly the same purpose of stopping people questioning the status quo, just as it does in countries we don't like when they have military parades and songs to the dear leader, which we call propaganda and a cult of personality.
The most worrying thing is the conclusion you jump to.
I was asked a direct question about Russia, therefore I answered about Russia.
Its not difficult to understand.
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National anthem booed on 08:31 - Aug 11 with 620 views
National anthem booed on 18:29 - Aug 10 by NedPlimpton
Why am I amazed?
Because it shows a bit of critical thinking rather than just blindly singing the anthem without actually thinking about what those in power have done to the people in your city. As others have pointed out, there's the policy of managed decline under Thatcher, the Hillsborough cover up and the media's take on the Liverpool fans that day, then there's also a strong Irish and immigrant population as well.
There's plenty of reasons why people might not hail "King and Country". It's just they're the only ones to express it as a collective community
I'm not a fan of the Thatcher government, but there was no policy of managed decline in Liverpool. She was advised to do it by Geoffrey Howe and others after the 1981 riots, but rejected the advice and did the opposite, appointing Michael Heseltine as her minister for regeneration in Merseyside.
This was ultimately a success, laying the foundations for things like the Garden Festival, the regeneration of the Albert Dock, Tate Liverpool and others, and leading to Heseltine being granted the freedom of the city.
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National anthem booed on 09:16 - Aug 11 with 540 views
National anthem booed on 08:15 - Aug 11 by waveneyblue
The most worrying thing is the conclusion you jump to.
I was asked a direct question about Russia, therefore I answered about Russia.
Its not difficult to understand.
I am replying to the bit where you say:
"However, to humour you, in Russia there are an enormous amount of people that have been brought up on state TV, propaganda and know nothing about the outside world, other than what they are told. So these poor sods sing the national anthem.
Happy now ?"
In which you argue that people in Russia sing the Russian National Anthem because of propaganda.
And pointing out that singing the National Anthem at a football match in England is just as much an act of propaganda as similar set-piece patriotic displays in Russia.
Someone even commented a few pages ago, asking why this thread was on the Football board, effectively asking: "What has the National Anthem got to do with football?"
Absolutely nothing, it's simply another opportunity for the public to be expected to perform their role in the personality cult of the King.
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National anthem booed on 09:49 - Aug 11 with 497 views
National anthem booed on 09:16 - Aug 11 by ArnoldMoorhen
I am replying to the bit where you say:
"However, to humour you, in Russia there are an enormous amount of people that have been brought up on state TV, propaganda and know nothing about the outside world, other than what they are told. So these poor sods sing the national anthem.
Happy now ?"
In which you argue that people in Russia sing the Russian National Anthem because of propaganda.
And pointing out that singing the National Anthem at a football match in England is just as much an act of propaganda as similar set-piece patriotic displays in Russia.
Someone even commented a few pages ago, asking why this thread was on the Football board, effectively asking: "What has the National Anthem got to do with football?"
Absolutely nothing, it's simply another opportunity for the public to be expected to perform their role in the personality cult of the King.
Listen chuckles, the poster I replied to didnt ask me to write an essay in 4000 words on Propaganda. He asked me about Russia.
Anyway, im not a royalist, I have no urge to sing the national anthem robustly whilst mopping my brow with a Queen Mother tea towel. However, I think booing of your own countries anthem is moronic.
Hopefully that clears this up.
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National anthem booed on 13:39 - Aug 11 with 383 views
National anthem booed on 17:05 - Aug 10 by Illinoisblue
Can’t say I mind it too much; establishment cover up and delays over Hillsborough deserves a reaction , and what scousers see as the managed decline of the city under Thatcher just adds fuel to the fire.
Your boing your country , disgusting.
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(No subject) (n/t) on 16:07 - Aug 11 with 228 views
National anthem booed on 16:25 - Aug 11 by Radlett_blue
What was the need to play "god save the king" before a domestic football match?
The same reason La Marseillaise is played before the Coupe de France or the Star Spangled Banner is played before the Super Bowl. They are national sporting occasions.
The national anthem is a subservient request for an imaginary creator of EVERYTHING, to save a white, highly privileged by luck of birth bloke, who's family have overseen the murder and pillage of much of what he/she/it created.
Nice one! Also why should it be foistered on two teams made up in large part of players from various countries other than the UK.
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National anthem booed on 16:44 - Aug 11 with 156 views
National anthem booed on 16:35 - Aug 11 by GlasgowBlue
The same reason La Marseillaise is played before the Coupe de France or the Star Spangled Banner is played before the Super Bowl. They are national sporting occasions.
No. The American obsession with playing the national anthem before every game of baseball etc is NOT something we need to import. I accept it is currently protocol to play the national anthems of both countries before international matches (although that usually leads to booing & conflict). You sound like you want to go back to when the national anthem was played at the conclusion of an evening at the cinema & when the TV shut down for the night.
National anthem booed on 16:44 - Aug 11 by Radlett_blue
No. The American obsession with playing the national anthem before every game of baseball etc is NOT something we need to import. I accept it is currently protocol to play the national anthems of both countries before international matches (although that usually leads to booing & conflict). You sound like you want to go back to when the national anthem was played at the conclusion of an evening at the cinema & when the TV shut down for the night.
"You sound like you want to go back to when the national anthem was played at the conclusion of an evening at the cinema & when the TV shut down for the night".
I'm not quite sure why you drew that conclusion when all was doing was answering your question "What was the need to play "god save the king" before a domestic football match?" I didn't give an opinion on whether I support the playing of ther National anthem before national sports or not.
I simply gave you and answer. A country's national anthem is generally played before a national sporting event.It happens in most countries. I just gave two examples, France and the USA.
As for importing the American obsession with playing the national anthem before a sporting event, GSTK/Q has been played before sporting events long before the Super Bowl ever existed.
The national anthem isn't played before a domestic game of football that isn't a national occasion such as a Cup Final.
National anthem booed on 16:49 - Aug 11 by GlasgowBlue
"You sound like you want to go back to when the national anthem was played at the conclusion of an evening at the cinema & when the TV shut down for the night".
I'm not quite sure why you drew that conclusion when all was doing was answering your question "What was the need to play "god save the king" before a domestic football match?" I didn't give an opinion on whether I support the playing of ther National anthem before national sports or not.
I simply gave you and answer. A country's national anthem is generally played before a national sporting event.It happens in most countries. I just gave two examples, France and the USA.
As for importing the American obsession with playing the national anthem before a sporting event, GSTK/Q has been played before sporting events long before the Super Bowl ever existed.
The national anthem isn't played before a domestic game of football that isn't a national occasion such as a Cup Final.
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Just play it when Charlie is in the building. Unless they can find a more uplifting one.
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