| The Boats keep coming 20:35 - Aug 13 with 5019 views | onceablue |
Regardless of the 1 in 1 out Labour policy Gimmick that has absolutely no chance of working
1600 people have arrived in 4 days in 26 boats
If the sea remains calm this will be the norm certainly for August/september
Macron has completely mugged Starmer off. No wonder he was kissing and hugging Kier
The French want rid of the Migrant camps and won’t be happy until they are all gone.
The only thing that will stop the boats is the Weather.
The current Government or who ever is in charge needs to come clean and admit there is no answer
It won’t be long until we see 100,000 a year arriving by this method
I totally get it that everyone wants to live in a perceived Civilised society but how the hell do we pay for it
The Tories created a 22 billion black hole over 14 years the Labour Party have created a 50 billion black hole in 12 months!!!!!!
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| The Boats keep coming on 14:12 - Aug 14 with 473 views | Libero |
| The Boats keep coming on 13:41 - Aug 14 by Pinewoodblue |
Can someone remind me what this thread was about.
I’m sure it wasn’t about Lowhouse. |
He’s making a right embarrassing mess of this thread. How long till the clean up squad are called in? |  | | |
| The Boats keep coming on 14:17 - Aug 14 with 442 views | lowhouseblue |
| The Boats keep coming on 14:12 - Aug 14 by Libero |
He’s making a right embarrassing mess of this thread. How long till the clean up squad are called in? |
that's lovely but it would be stronger if you could actually show what is embarrassing and why. i'm guessing you disagree with what i've posted, but disagreeing with you isn't in itself necessarily embarrassing? |  |
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| The Boats keep coming on 14:17 - Aug 14 with 441 views | Pinewoodblue |
| The Boats keep coming on 14:12 - Aug 14 by Libero |
He’s making a right embarrassing mess of this thread. How long till the clean up squad are called in? |
Treats most threads he engages with in the same way.
Leads to threads being sanitised or removed. |  |
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| The Boats keep coming on 14:20 - Aug 14 with 408 views | lowhouseblue |
| The Boats keep coming on 14:17 - Aug 14 by Pinewoodblue |
Treats most threads he engages with in the same way.
Leads to threads being sanitised or removed. |
what have i posted that needs to be sanitised or removed? if you think there is something on the thread that requires that, the abuse button is what you need.
equally, show what it is that you think is unacceptable and explain why. | |
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| The Boats keep coming on 14:21 - Aug 14 with 408 views | Herbivore |
| The Boats keep coming on 14:10 - Aug 14 by lowhouseblue |
again pathetic and a weak cop out. you get challenged, you can't defend your views, instead you belittle people. you do it all the time. the 'no debate' strategy towards those with different views is a complete dead end.
how about you stop down arrowing my every post and in return i won't expect any reasoned responses from you. also, you only need to state your good wishes for my afternoon once, i'll take it as read from now on. |
I defend my views all the time, you frequently ask me to defend views that aren't my expressed views but instead are ones you've made up and attempted to attribute to me. It's one of the many dishonest and disingenuous tactics you employ that an increasingly large number of posters see right through and are now calling out. It makes debate with you completely futile because you refuse to engage honestly.
Due to the tone of your last reply, have an average afternoon. |  |
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| The Boats keep coming on 14:21 - Aug 14 with 406 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Boats keep coming on 13:37 - Aug 14 by reusersfreekicks |
Do you have evidence for the net draw assertion
You seem to think all anti-immigration supporters are well informed people deeply impacted by immigration.
The town I live in has hardly any Immigants based here yet a high proportion of the people I meet in pubs/bars trot out the same old myths and mis-information. The level of racial prejudice is very much on the increase.
Your efforts to give Farage et al legitimacy mirrors what you did for Trump.
Long words don't hide true agendas [Post edited 14 Aug 13:41]
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There’s a very good reason Farage chose to stand in Clacton, where there’s an exceptionally low number of foreign born residents, high levels of deprivation and very low levels of educational attainment. Preying on the ignorant, desperate and easily misled sadly. Low contact makes it easier to spread lies about immigrants, depravity makes it easier to convince people immigrants have taken their jobs and are getting more free handouts than them and lower educational attainments means people don’t question what they’re told. |  |
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| The Boats keep coming on 14:24 - Aug 14 with 383 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Boats keep coming on 13:58 - Aug 14 by nrb1985 |
Agree totally with the middle paragraph.
Very good report from HSBC out today about our ageing population — bit wordy, but the below was enlightening.
Triple lock needs to be amended and means tested. Apparently it now costs THREE times what it was expected to be!
"Pension ages across the world are very hard to move, and are rarely moved at any speed. The highest in the world is 67 (in Australia and Sweden amongst a few others; the UK on course to reach the same level over the next few years). Some, however, are pushing higher, with Denmark making a recent shift to raise it to 70 by 2040 as a result of the policy of tying retirement age to life expectancy, and now lifting the retirement age by one year every five years.
However, as outlined above, 70 is probably the minimum needed to even get close to getting pensioner to non-pensioner ratios back into check. As a result, on paper, public pensions may have to get much less generous – a challenge as, although many pensioners are wealthy, poverty rates for others are already high: according to OECD data, between 10–20% of over 65s have incomes below 50% of median household incomes in most OECD economies. As a result, any cuts to pension amounts would need to protect the most vulnerable, or at least be means tested.
At the very least, governments are likely to need to consider limiting how much pensions rise. In the UK, the ‘triple lock’ on pensions means that the state pension rises each year by the highest rate out of inflation, wage growth, or 2.5%. This is now set to cost three times more than it was initially estimated.
But raising the retirement age is now more plausible (at least in theory) than ever before – given the shift in the nature of work away from physical to more service-heavy roles, we could see workers more likely to be able to stay in the workforce until they’re 70 or 75. As charts 24 and 25 show, this would almost entirely reset the demographic pyramid problem. Trimming the value of pensions may also encourage people to stay in the workforce for longer – although if people have been able to accumulate large private pensions, they are likely to retire earlier. As a result, some sort of means testing to state pensions may be needed." [Post edited 14 Aug 14:00]
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I’m sure senior HSBC staff will be working until they’re 75!
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| The Boats keep coming on 14:30 - Aug 14 with 359 views | lowhouseblue |
| The Boats keep coming on 14:21 - Aug 14 by Herbivore |
I defend my views all the time, you frequently ask me to defend views that aren't my expressed views but instead are ones you've made up and attempted to attribute to me. It's one of the many dishonest and disingenuous tactics you employ that an increasingly large number of posters see right through and are now calling out. It makes debate with you completely futile because you refuse to engage honestly.
Due to the tone of your last reply, have an average afternoon. |
in debate it is a very common practice for person to 1 to paraphrase what person 2 says in an attempt to draw out of them what they really mean. it is a technique intended to bring out logical implications or inconsistencies. it is then for person 2 to reject or adjust person 1's version of their views. it is a method for clarifying disagreement and establishing with precision where differences really lie. it is a rhetorical technique - it is one i have used throughout my working life. if i paraphrase what you have posted it is intended as invitation for you to say "no that's not what i meant, this is what i meant". equally you can offer a version of what i say and i can accept or correct that.
it's really not an unusual form discussion at all. but you know that full well. [Post edited 14 Aug 14:33]
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| The Boats keep coming on 14:37 - Aug 14 with 316 views | NewcyBlue |
| The Boats keep coming on 14:30 - Aug 14 by lowhouseblue |
in debate it is a very common practice for person to 1 to paraphrase what person 2 says in an attempt to draw out of them what they really mean. it is a technique intended to bring out logical implications or inconsistencies. it is then for person 2 to reject or adjust person 1's version of their views. it is a method for clarifying disagreement and establishing with precision where differences really lie. it is a rhetorical technique - it is one i have used throughout my working life. if i paraphrase what you have posted it is intended as invitation for you to say "no that's not what i meant, this is what i meant". equally you can offer a version of what i say and i can accept or correct that.
it's really not an unusual form discussion at all. but you know that full well. [Post edited 14 Aug 14:33]
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| The Boats keep coming on 14:38 - Aug 14 with 314 views | Swansea_Blue |
I wouldn’t go there, it only gets a 6.4 on Booking.com.
I’m not sure what the alternative to hotels is expected to be if there’s a big backlog who need temporary accommodation. I suppose we could build camps, but that sounds a bit 3rd world. And if they’re having to use hotels, I’m not sure where really crappy hotels are supposed to come from - they wouldn’t have survived as hotels if they were ghettos. And these are literally the worst hotels we have - https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/worst-hotel-chain-uk-britan | |
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| The Boats keep coming on 14:39 - Aug 14 with 297 views | Libero |
| The Boats keep coming on 14:17 - Aug 14 by Pinewoodblue |
Treats most threads he engages with in the same way.
Leads to threads being sanitised or removed. |
Aye, there’s just no point ever directly engaging with posters like him. Absolutely pickled. | | | |
| The Boats keep coming on 14:49 - Aug 14 with 252 views | Herbivore |
| The Boats keep coming on 14:38 - Aug 14 by Swansea_Blue |
I wouldn’t go there, it only gets a 6.4 on Booking.com.
I’m not sure what the alternative to hotels is expected to be if there’s a big backlog who need temporary accommodation. I suppose we could build camps, but that sounds a bit 3rd world. And if they’re having to use hotels, I’m not sure where really crappy hotels are supposed to come from - they wouldn’t have survived as hotels if they were ghettos. And these are literally the worst hotels we have - https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/worst-hotel-chain-uk-britan |
People also make out that living in hotels is some sort of luxury. I wouldn't want to go and stay in these kinds of hotels for months on end (even the few that are technically 4 star). You have a bed and a bathroom, possibly another bed crammed in for the kids if you're a family, a desk and a chair too if you're lucky. You don't have any facilities to make proper meals or to wash your clothes. You don't really have anywhere comfortable to sit. You're not allowed to work so you have nothing to do other than stare at the four walls of the single room you're living in. Sure it's preferable to being in a tent, but it's not any kind of existence really. | |
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| The Boats keep coming on 14:49 - Aug 14 with 256 views | Trequartista |
| The Boats keep coming on 14:38 - Aug 14 by Swansea_Blue |
I wouldn’t go there, it only gets a 6.4 on Booking.com.
I’m not sure what the alternative to hotels is expected to be if there’s a big backlog who need temporary accommodation. I suppose we could build camps, but that sounds a bit 3rd world. And if they’re having to use hotels, I’m not sure where really crappy hotels are supposed to come from - they wouldn’t have survived as hotels if they were ghettos. And these are literally the worst hotels we have - https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/worst-hotel-chain-uk-britan |
lol. (to the booking.com comment)
i'm not really getting too involved in this one as i'm not as well-informed on the facts as i could be, but I knew that was an untruth from a video posted from Canary Wharf yesterday on youtube. [Post edited 14 Aug 14:51]
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| The Boats keep coming on 14:54 - Aug 14 with 217 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Boats keep coming on 14:49 - Aug 14 by Trequartista |
lol. (to the booking.com comment)
i'm not really getting too involved in this one as i'm not as well-informed on the facts as i could be, but I knew that was an untruth from a video posted from Canary Wharf yesterday on youtube. [Post edited 14 Aug 14:51]
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Yeah, there are some 4* hotels used. They don’t seem particularly pleasant though. Certainly not the luxurious holiday camps they’re made out to be. Very wise to not get involved! | |
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| The Boats keep coming on 15:04 - Aug 14 with 173 views | Mullet |
| The Boats keep coming on 14:54 - Aug 14 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, there are some 4* hotels used. They don’t seem particularly pleasant though. Certainly not the luxurious holiday camps they’re made out to be. Very wise to not get involved! |
Our local one is a 60s maybe 70s built chain hotel that I can’t remember (best western sort of type) and isn’t dilapidated but it’s very dated.
It’s not even in a great location but close enough to walk to amenities. |  |
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| The Boats keep coming on 15:19 - Aug 14 with 140 views | DJR |
| The Boats keep coming on 13:37 - Aug 14 by reusersfreekicks |
Do you have evidence for the net draw assertion
You seem to think all anti-immigration supporters are well informed people deeply impacted by immigration.
The town I live in has hardly any Immigants based here yet a high proportion of the people I meet in pubs/bars trot out the same old myths and mis-information. The level of racial prejudice is very much on the increase.
Your efforts to give Farage et al legitimacy mirrors what you did for Trump.
Long words don't hide true agendas [Post edited 14 Aug 13:41]
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A couple of rather sad things I have come across in the last few days.
My daughter's best friend, a Muslim who wears a headscarf, is now frightened because of her appearance when she is out and about, even during the day and in a place as diverse as London.
On the way to the Bromley game, I popped into an eastern European shop to get a drink. An old man there was rude to the shop keeper because he said the man didn't speak English properly. It's clear where such an attitude comes from, and I said to the shop keeper that I welcomed him here. [Post edited 14 Aug 16:03]
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| The Boats keep coming on 17:18 - Aug 14 with 60 views | onceablue |
| The Boats keep coming on 11:48 - Aug 14 by BlueNomad |
In 2023, the UK spent £4.3 billion on supporting refugees and asylum seekers within the UK, which was 0.58% of its Gross National Income (GNI), according to ReliefWeb. This spending includes costs associated with housing, food, and other forms of support. While this figure represents a significant portion of the UK's aid budget, it's important to note that this spending is classified as "in-donor refugee costs" and is distinct from other forms of overseas development funding.
To think that so many people, including the OP, think we should behave differently than other European countries, including Turkey, who spend far more.
I would ask whether he thinks Afghanistan, Iran, Syria and Sudan are safe places? They are the four countries who provide the most asylum seekers. [Post edited 14 Aug 11:54]
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There are certainly not safe places for Women or children no I agree | | | |
| The Boats keep coming on 17:23 - Aug 14 with 39 views | onceablue |
| The Boats keep coming on 13:25 - Aug 14 by Mullet |
That isn’t name calling that’s simply being descriptive - we aren’t all at fault for what you post. It’s odd that two people on here are complaining about being called out for what they write and blame us.
Honestly, I’ve found your turn in recent months astonishing and some of what you post disgusting. You’re not even very good at the game you try and play and get uppity when you lose at it. |
Mullett I am sorry but you do tend to insult people if they agree with your view you have done and do it to me all the time.
The sad thing is I don’t think you are even aware of what you are doing | | | |
| The Boats keep coming on 17:29 - Aug 14 with 18 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| The Boats keep coming on 21:35 - Aug 13 by BlueBoots |
"If the sea remains calm this will be the norm certainly for August/september"
"The only thing that will stop the boats is the Weather."
Yeah...Labour government can go f**k themselves for not finding the money from somewhere to build a giant wave machine along the length of the Kent coast to send the boats back in the opposite direction. |
You should send that idea to Rupert Lowe. He would run with it! | | | |
| The Boats keep coming on 17:30 - Aug 14 with 13 views | Herbivore |
| The Boats keep coming on 17:18 - Aug 14 by onceablue |
There are certainly not safe places for Women or children no I agree |
But they are safe places if you have a penis? Can you explain why? | |
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