| Is Omari 00:21 - Aug 16 with 1881 views | Len_Brennan |
worth £7.5m more than James McAtee from Man City,
worth £11.5m more than Geovanni Leoni, Liverpool's highly rated new Italian defender, or
worth £12.5m more than Ben Doak from Liverpool?
I think we've done really well with the fee, considering how much some other players are going for this Summer. [Post edited 16 Aug 0:21]
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| Is Omari on 00:25 - Aug 16 with 1810 views | Horsham |
Re McAtee and Doak - yes he is . Why ? much more PL output then either. |  | | |
| Is Omari on 00:34 - Aug 16 with 1769 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Is Omari on 00:25 - Aug 16 by Horsham |
Re McAtee and Doak - yes he is . Why ? much more PL output then either. |
Not sure exactly what you’re judging as output, but McAtee has 6 PL goals and 3 assists compared to 3/2 for Hutchinson |  |
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| Is Omari on 00:41 - Aug 16 with 1747 views | urbanpenguin |
You know that transfers aren't solely based upon vibes, but things like contract length, salary, similar offer in the market, nationality, data. [Post edited 16 Aug 0:42]
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| Is Omari on 02:05 - Aug 16 with 1629 views | Alberto_the_frog |
Shhh- we've got away with it |  | | |
| Is Omari on 05:00 - Aug 16 with 1454 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
The fee is about right as explained 10000 times on other threads.
Doak has made 24 championship appearances for Boro and 3 brief PL appearances for Liverpool. Are you going to suggest on that sample size he’s worth the same or more after Omari’s 2024 in the champ, encouraging performances in a terrible PL team and being one of the best players for the European U23 champs this summer?
Get back to me when you see his next transfer fee!
The release clause was set about right as well to protect us on after one season and relegation.
It’s over, let’s move on. [Post edited 16 Aug 5:01]
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| Is Omari on 07:07 - Aug 16 with 1218 views | USA |
There are other clauses, a buy back clause for example, that change the value of that deal to more than the initial fee. So the deal for McAtee is not directly comparable to that of Omari | |
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| Is Omari on 07:21 - Aug 16 with 1154 views | Swansea_Blue |
Until such time someone pays more for those players, yes. It’s very subjective. |  |
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| Is Omari on 07:29 - Aug 16 with 1092 views | Horsham |
| Is Omari on 00:34 - Aug 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Not sure exactly what you’re judging as output, but McAtee has 6 PL goals and 3 assists compared to 3/2 for Hutchinson |
In terms of starts and minutes. | | | |
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| Is Omari on 07:34 - Aug 16 with 1078 views | Hermann_eats_puffin |
| Is Omari on 05:00 - Aug 16 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
The fee is about right as explained 10000 times on other threads.
Doak has made 24 championship appearances for Boro and 3 brief PL appearances for Liverpool. Are you going to suggest on that sample size he’s worth the same or more after Omari’s 2024 in the champ, encouraging performances in a terrible PL team and being one of the best players for the European U23 champs this summer?
Get back to me when you see his next transfer fee!
The release clause was set about right as well to protect us on after one season and relegation.
It’s over, let’s move on. [Post edited 16 Aug 5:01]
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I agree with the above and in addition when I’ve been thinking about the Omari versus others this has also entered my thinking.
The fee has to be right in terms of the selling club’s valuation of the profit that they want to make. So as far as I understand it both Doak and McAtee are Liverpool and Man City youth team players respectively (I standby to be corrected if that is wrong). So in both of these cases the entire fee is pure profit for Liverpool & City so a big chunk of money into those clubs and great for PSR.
For us what would have been the point in selling Omari for £25m when we bought him for £22m and we have to give Chelsea 25% of the profit in any sale. There simply wouldn’t be any incentive for Town to sell and so if a club wants to buy Omari they have to reach a fee whereby the amount of profit that Town will make in the deal is worth it compared to the loss to the team of losing that player. Therefore I think this will at least have a partial influence on any thought process.
It’s along these lines why I can’t understand it if Southampton completely price Dibbling out of a move. If Dibbling refuses to play which isn’t good for the team but Southampton won’t sell because they say want £40m-£50m that seems like greed because if they sell for anywhere between £20m-£40m all of that income is pure profit because he’s a Southampton youth team player and that’s a huge amount of income to help reinvest in their team because they’d have more profit regardless of whether say the fee they get is less than for Omari.
Anyway it’s a huge fee for our club plus his performances and goals helped take us to the PL so I’m grateful that it happened and onwards and upwards for Town and fingers crossed that starts on Sunday! |  | | |
| Is Omari on 07:58 - Aug 16 with 991 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
That's not how transfers work. Someone is worth what someone else is willing to pay. |  |
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| Is Omari on 08:07 - Aug 16 with 952 views | Len_Brennan |
| Is Omari on 07:58 - Aug 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's not how transfers work. Someone is worth what someone else is willing to pay. |
That is of course true, but clubs regularly cite fees paid for other players when laying out their expectations.
"That's the market" is a typical response to nonsensical transfer fees.
Personally I feel it has been out of control since Trevor Francis went £1m & long for a return to the days when a few balls & a set of tracksuits were thrown in to get a deal over the line. | | | |
| Is Omari on 08:29 - Aug 16 with 865 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Is Omari on 08:07 - Aug 16 by Len_Brennan |
That is of course true, but clubs regularly cite fees paid for other players when laying out their expectations.
"That's the market" is a typical response to nonsensical transfer fees.
Personally I feel it has been out of control since Trevor Francis went £1m & long for a return to the days when a few balls & a set of tracksuits were thrown in to get a deal over the line. |
"clubs regularly cite fees paid for other players when laying out their expectations"
Do they? How many transfer negotiations have you been at? | |
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| Is Omari on 08:45 - Aug 16 with 763 views | bsw72 |
| Is Omari on 08:07 - Aug 16 by Len_Brennan |
That is of course true, but clubs regularly cite fees paid for other players when laying out their expectations.
"That's the market" is a typical response to nonsensical transfer fees.
Personally I feel it has been out of control since Trevor Francis went £1m & long for a return to the days when a few balls & a set of tracksuits were thrown in to get a deal over the line. |
Clubs rarely cite other transfer fees, they make vague references to market prices, and then justify outliers with equally vague terms like potential etc.
It’s the fans and the media that tend to compare deals and prices.
Basically the transfer market has very little real regulation, so prices swing all over the place. Beyond transfer windows and some loose FFP rules, there’s nothing stopping clubs paying whatever they want, which means values are driven by hype, demand, and who’s got the deepest pockets. That’s why one player can go for peanuts while another of similar ability costs a fortune. |  | | |
| Is Omari on 08:53 - Aug 16 with 734 views | BloomBlue |
That's the craziness of football transfers.
Chelsea paid £40m for Cole Palmer, which is only £2.5m more than Omari.
But it's what a club will pay, that is what counts. Ashton has made it clear for ages its about buying talent with the aim of increasing their value. No club will ever get every transfer correct, but overall that approach is working and value is increasing. |  | | |
| Is Omari on 09:24 - Aug 16 with 628 views | Len_Brennan |
| Is Omari on 08:29 - Aug 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"clubs regularly cite fees paid for other players when laying out their expectations"
Do they? How many transfer negotiations have you been at? |
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| Is Omari on 10:10 - Aug 16 with 484 views | MK1 |
No, but if that's the fee they are willing to pay, then so be it. |  |
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| Is Omari on 10:32 - Aug 16 with 391 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Is Omari on 07:29 - Aug 16 by Horsham |
In terms of starts and minutes. |
Very odd metric to class as output but yes, in that case Hutchinson has played slightly more (I wouldn’t say ‘much’ though…):
Hutchinson - 30 starts, 2616 mins
McAtee - 23 starts, 2189 mins
Or in other words, McAtee has had more output despite playing less… | |
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| Is Omari on 10:43 - Aug 16 with 338 views | Horsham |
| Is Omari on 10:32 - Aug 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Very odd metric to class as output but yes, in that case Hutchinson has played slightly more (I wouldn’t say ‘much’ though…):
Hutchinson - 30 starts, 2616 mins
McAtee - 23 starts, 2189 mins
Or in other words, McAtee has had more output despite playing less… |
Bow to your pesky facts and I’m guilty of contributing without getting mine straight.
Do think however the value of Omari was enhanced by his PL contribution. He’s not still the player we paid £22m for.
As for McAtee fair play, on the face of ot I’d say that looks the better deal but also I guess we don’t know what kind of favourable buy backs and clauses City might have in.
Never really suggesting that we haven’t got a good fee for Omari - more just that I don’t think it’s particularly outrageous. | | | |
| Is Omari on 11:18 - Aug 16 with 234 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Is Omari on 10:43 - Aug 16 by Horsham |
Bow to your pesky facts and I’m guilty of contributing without getting mine straight.
Do think however the value of Omari was enhanced by his PL contribution. He’s not still the player we paid £22m for.
As for McAtee fair play, on the face of ot I’d say that looks the better deal but also I guess we don’t know what kind of favourable buy backs and clauses City might have in.
Never really suggesting that we haven’t got a good fee for Omari - more just that I don’t think it’s particularly outrageous. |
Some truth to that and I think we also benefitted from Omari’s performances at the Euros in the Summer
City probably had also had a similar problem with McAtee as with Palmer in that he wasn’t going to be good enough to play regularly for them and wasn’t going to sign a new deal either - and as you say there’s probably some other terms there which add value for them too
Personally I am surprised we’ve got quite so much for Omari, even if I do agree with the consensus that he actually did pretty well overall last year given it was his first season in the PL and in a struggling team, but that’s probably just me catching up with how much fees have suddenly jumped again in the market! | |
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| Is Omari on 11:23 - Aug 16 with 214 views | Horsham |
| Is Omari on 11:18 - Aug 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Some truth to that and I think we also benefitted from Omari’s performances at the Euros in the Summer
City probably had also had a similar problem with McAtee as with Palmer in that he wasn’t going to be good enough to play regularly for them and wasn’t going to sign a new deal either - and as you say there’s probably some other terms there which add value for them too
Personally I am surprised we’ve got quite so much for Omari, even if I do agree with the consensus that he actually did pretty well overall last year given it was his first season in the PL and in a struggling team, but that’s probably just me catching up with how much fees have suddenly jumped again in the market! |
Escalating fees is mega and I’m sure as Town fans we weren’t really conditioned to big fees. It only seems like yesterday that I was stunned by us paying over a million for a player! | | | |
| Is Omari on 11:24 - Aug 16 with 207 views | SomethingBlue |
Probably – the boy is brilliant and will prove it. | |
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