| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 08:30 - Aug 26 with 3982 views | Zx1988 |
Had the 'pleasure' of listening to Zia Yussuf (remember him? He's the one who originally tried to resign from Reform because they were too racist, but was somehow convinced by Führage to stay...) trying to defend Reform's new immigration policy on R4 this morning.
It's scary how much of their rationale doesn't even stand up to the most basic of scrutiny, but will no doubt be lapped up by their target demographic.
For example, claiming that immediate deportation of illegal immigrants will reduce the burden on the NHS, pensions, and welfare system. My understanding was that, by virtue of their being illegal migrants, they wouldn't even be able to access pensions or the welfare system? |  |
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:00 - Aug 26 with 717 views | Linners |
There's every chance that Farage will be PM in a few years time. The global shift to the right is kicking in here now and it'll be all too easy to argue that the last two 'establishment' governments have failed.
Immigration is out of control (whatever your view, it's hard to say that it's under control), cost of living continues to rise and there are no political powerhouses or personalities to rally around.
Hopefully something or someone can emerge in the next couple of years otherwise we're heading for our own mini-MAGA world. Scary stuff. |  | | |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:01 - Aug 26 with 715 views | leitrimblue |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 11:48 - Aug 26 by blueasfook |
Just opened an Etsy shop selling moon pictures. I hope hippies use the internet? Is there a vegan version of the web? |
Believe there is, though i hear it gets a bit slow an sleepy by the afternoon [Post edited 26 Aug 12:04]
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:05 - Aug 26 with 682 views | positivity |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 11:48 - Aug 26 by blueasfook |
Just opened an Etsy shop selling moon pictures. I hope hippies use the internet? Is there a vegan version of the web? |
careful; that comes under unauthorised use of your company's photocopier, maybe best not to advertise it on here... | |
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:14 - Aug 26 with 632 views | Dubtractor |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 11:31 - Aug 26 by keighleyblue |
'They' also includes the BBC which relentlessly platforms Farage and the stories he campaigns on |
The extent to which the BBC cover Farage, compared to any other leader, is mad. He gets way more coverage than Badenoch or Ed Davey for example. |  |
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:17 - Aug 26 with 603 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:14 - Aug 26 by Dubtractor |
The extent to which the BBC cover Farage, compared to any other leader, is mad. He gets way more coverage than Badenoch or Ed Davey for example. |
In fairness, Farage has had more effect on the direction of this country than either Badenoch or Davey. Historically, he'll be judged as one of the most important political figures of the past 15 years. |  |
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:18 - Aug 26 with 596 views | Dubtractor |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:17 - Aug 26 by GlasgowBlue |
In fairness, Farage has had more effect on the direction of this country than either Badenoch or Davey. Historically, he'll be judged as one of the most important political figures of the past 15 years. |
But that's very much in part thanks to BBC and others amplifying him so much. | |
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:23 - Aug 26 with 579 views | Guthrum |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:00 - Aug 26 by Linners |
There's every chance that Farage will be PM in a few years time. The global shift to the right is kicking in here now and it'll be all too easy to argue that the last two 'establishment' governments have failed.
Immigration is out of control (whatever your view, it's hard to say that it's under control), cost of living continues to rise and there are no political powerhouses or personalities to rally around.
Hopefully something or someone can emerge in the next couple of years otherwise we're heading for our own mini-MAGA world. Scary stuff. |
I think there's less chance of that happening. It's a very big jump from getting five seats to the 300+ required to form anything like a stable government.
They're fighting against the electoral system, which rewards regional concentration over absolute voting numbers. Also habitual tribalism, which will still lead many on the milder right to vote Conservative.
On top of which, single-person movements have never done well in UK politics. So far, Farage's record on keeping his parliamentary group together has not been outstanding, losing two of the five-plus-a-byelection-winner (a third of his MPs) to fallings-out or scandal.
Sure, they are occasionally topping polls, but that means little this far out from a General Election. A lot can happen in three and a half years. |  |
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:41 - Aug 26 with 517 views | DJR |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 08:50 - Aug 26 by Zx1988 |
The problem is also the p*ss weak interviewing on R4. You can get away with anything if you'll commit to the "I'll just talk over you" strategy. |
That was a very poor interview which barely scratched the surface of the issues involved.
Anna Foster is seen as a rising star at the BBC partly because of her overseas reporting but I think Emma Barnett would have given it a bit more welly. [Post edited 26 Aug 12:44]
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:43 - Aug 26 with 497 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:18 - Aug 26 by Dubtractor |
But that's very much in part thanks to BBC and others amplifying him so much. |
Was he amplified that much in the early days? He started getting regular question time appearances when Ukip or whatever it was called those days won came third in the 2004 EU elections. Think they got 2 million or more votes which started t0 get them noticed. Think they did much the same in 2009 becoming the largest British party in the EU parliament behind the Tories. Then of course they won the EU elections in 2014. | |
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:44 - Aug 26 with 505 views | jasondozzell |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:23 - Aug 26 by Guthrum |
I think there's less chance of that happening. It's a very big jump from getting five seats to the 300+ required to form anything like a stable government.
They're fighting against the electoral system, which rewards regional concentration over absolute voting numbers. Also habitual tribalism, which will still lead many on the milder right to vote Conservative.
On top of which, single-person movements have never done well in UK politics. So far, Farage's record on keeping his parliamentary group together has not been outstanding, losing two of the five-plus-a-byelection-winner (a third of his MPs) to fallings-out or scandal.
Sure, they are occasionally topping polls, but that means little this far out from a General Election. A lot can happen in three and a half years. |
Sorry but as grim as it is I don't think people (particularly the liberal establishment and centrists who are ironically directly responsible for this mess) are aware of what's happening.
People are going to get a terrible shock. It's going to be Farage as PM on a huge majority. If anyone thinks otherwise they must be living on another planet.
It's been clear for 2 or so years. And probably earlier. As soon as the Mcsweeney project began (2018) we were doomed because the Labour right are some of the worst people alive and were always going to deliver Farage and fascism. |  | | |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:48 - Aug 26 with 478 views | noggin |
Just been reading a social media rant by an old friend and his wife, who now live in Australia. The gist of it was that immigrants are committing all the crime in Australia and now 2 police officers have been shot dead (apparently these things never happened before all the immigrants arrived). He also stated that his post will likely be removed because "white people don't have freedom of speech." He provided zero evidence for his crime 'statistic' and it has now been confirmed that the suspect for the shooting, is a white Australian. Of course, he won't Revise his post or even admit that he was wrong. [Post edited 26 Aug 12:53]
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:49 - Aug 26 with 473 views | eireblue |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:43 - Aug 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Was he amplified that much in the early days? He started getting regular question time appearances when Ukip or whatever it was called those days won came third in the 2004 EU elections. Think they got 2 million or more votes which started t0 get them noticed. Think they did much the same in 2009 becoming the largest British party in the EU parliament behind the Tories. Then of course they won the EU elections in 2014. |
Yeah, there was some tracking done back in the past on Farage vs Green coverage when both had similar level of support. Farage did get more coverage.
As pointed out above, I am about to get sleepy and will need a nap, so haven’t tracked down that stuff for reference.
News as entertainment. |  | | |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:53 - Aug 26 with 446 views | DJR |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:44 - Aug 26 by jasondozzell |
Sorry but as grim as it is I don't think people (particularly the liberal establishment and centrists who are ironically directly responsible for this mess) are aware of what's happening.
People are going to get a terrible shock. It's going to be Farage as PM on a huge majority. If anyone thinks otherwise they must be living on another planet.
It's been clear for 2 or so years. And probably earlier. As soon as the Mcsweeney project began (2018) we were doomed because the Labour right are some of the worst people alive and were always going to deliver Farage and fascism. |
You only have to see what happened in Kent in the county elections which went from 61 Tory to 57 Reform councillors.
Nothing anything like that happened with UKIP. | | | |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:55 - Aug 26 with 414 views | Plums |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:43 - Aug 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Was he amplified that much in the early days? He started getting regular question time appearances when Ukip or whatever it was called those days won came third in the 2004 EU elections. Think they got 2 million or more votes which started t0 get them noticed. Think they did much the same in 2009 becoming the largest British party in the EU parliament behind the Tories. Then of course they won the EU elections in 2014. |
That's 21 years of amplification. Enough to cause significant damage to the fabric of society with the hypocritical division he's sown. [Post edited 26 Aug 12:56]
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:57 - Aug 26 with 404 views | Guthrum |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:44 - Aug 26 by jasondozzell |
Sorry but as grim as it is I don't think people (particularly the liberal establishment and centrists who are ironically directly responsible for this mess) are aware of what's happening.
People are going to get a terrible shock. It's going to be Farage as PM on a huge majority. If anyone thinks otherwise they must be living on another planet.
It's been clear for 2 or so years. And probably earlier. As soon as the Mcsweeney project began (2018) we were doomed because the Labour right are some of the worst people alive and were always going to deliver Farage and fascism. |
I'm not going to disagree on McSweeny and his cohort, but it's still a very hard task for Farage and his not so merry men to become the next government. Harder still to actually deliver anything effective if they did. | |
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:57 - Aug 26 with 400 views | Mullet |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:55 - Aug 26 by Plums |
That's 21 years of amplification. Enough to cause significant damage to the fabric of society with the hypocritical division he's sown. [Post edited 26 Aug 12:56]
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Definitely, he's a hate preacher and traitor essentially isn't he? |  |
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 13:00 - Aug 26 with 365 views | Plums |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:57 - Aug 26 by Mullet |
Definitely, he's a hate preacher and traitor essentially isn't he? |
Yes. He's a conduit for dangerous foreign influence and for that reason alone shouldn't have anything like the platform he's given. | |
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 13:03 - Aug 26 with 346 views | glasso |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 08:48 - Aug 26 by Zx1988 |
Same here - constant wittering on about repeated violence and sexual offences against women and girls, yet never able to back it up with reports from the local press.
If they were so concerned about the wellbeing of children in particular, surely they'd be spending a good amount of time picketing churches as well. |
Similarly, their comeback to all of the 'woke, leftie libtards' who argue that maybe we shouldn't be massive sh*ts to foreigners, is: "How many are YOU putting up in your house?"
Yet, how many homeless vets, single-parent families or disadvantaged white kids are THEY putting up in theirs? That's who they claim to support and just want these immigrants gone so we have space for them, but.... | | | |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 13:03 - Aug 26 with 348 views | jasondozzell |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:57 - Aug 26 by Guthrum |
I'm not going to disagree on McSweeny and his cohort, but it's still a very hard task for Farage and his not so merry men to become the next government. Harder still to actually deliver anything effective if they did. |
It will be a political earthquake. Labour and Tories will both poll below 15%.
I don't think it's a hard task for them anymore. Farage is a skilful politician and Reform understand modern campaigning better than the others.
Starmer delivering fascism was my first thought when they were thrown through the Number 10 door last year by the press. | | | |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 13:04 - Aug 26 with 334 views | Radlett_blue |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:53 - Aug 26 by DJR |
You only have to see what happened in Kent in the county elections which went from 61 Tory to 57 Reform councillors.
Nothing anything like that happened with UKIP. |
Indeed, the threat from Reform is very real (unless something happens to Farage as they are a 1 trick pony) & it's possible the Conservative Party could be obliterated at the next General Election & they don't have many viable options for regaining the right wing leadership. Replacing Badenoch is likely, but hard to see how Jenrick or someone else would make much difference. While Reform's sums are nowhere near adding up, apparently a good number of their supporters know this, but are still happy to roll the dice. |  |
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 13:07 - Aug 26 with 305 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 12:57 - Aug 26 by Mullet |
Definitely, he's a hate preacher and traitor essentially isn't he? |
Yes he is. But was he over amplified or did his party's results get him the publicity it deserved at the time?
Griffin got publicity and an invite on Question time when the BNP were doing decent numbers in the loclas and in the polls. That appearance pretty much destroyed the BNP though.
We may not like these vile people but if they lead a legitimate political party that is doing decent numbers then they will get the relevant media coverage. | |
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 13:11 - Aug 26 with 281 views | Mullet |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 13:07 - Aug 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Yes he is. But was he over amplified or did his party's results get him the publicity it deserved at the time?
Griffin got publicity and an invite on Question time when the BNP were doing decent numbers in the loclas and in the polls. That appearance pretty much destroyed the BNP though.
We may not like these vile people but if they lead a legitimate political party that is doing decent numbers then they will get the relevant media coverage. |
Yeah he was - especially when he was being bankrolled by scumbags or aping Nazi propaganda and wasn't pulled apart as the disgrace he is etc.
Griffin was a fat obnoxious 2-bit NF grunt. Farage is a far better grifter and scumbag - which is why amplfying him had been so dangerous. Maybe we should have dubbed him like Gerry Adams, I dunno! | |
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 13:17 - Aug 26 with 250 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 13:11 - Aug 26 by Mullet |
Yeah he was - especially when he was being bankrolled by scumbags or aping Nazi propaganda and wasn't pulled apart as the disgrace he is etc.
Griffin was a fat obnoxious 2-bit NF grunt. Farage is a far better grifter and scumbag - which is why amplfying him had been so dangerous. Maybe we should have dubbed him like Gerry Adams, I dunno! |
In fairness to Farage, he wasn't sending his foot soldiers out to blow up kids outside of McDonalds like Adams was when he was dubbed. | |
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| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 13:19 - Aug 26 with 248 views | glasso |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 13:17 - Aug 26 by GlasgowBlue |
In fairness to Farage, he wasn't sending his foot soldiers out to blow up kids outside of McDonalds like Adams was when he was dubbed. |
No, just to set hotels full of people on fire and that sort of thing.
Much more pleasant. | | | |
| Reform are dangerous - pt. 2,675,823 on 13:22 - Aug 26 with 234 views | The_Major |
Be damned if anyone should take lectures about keeping women and children safe from someone who hangs out with Donald Trump and says Andrew Tate is "an important voice". |  | | |
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