| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah 20:24 - Sep 10 with 66538 views | ElderGrizzly |
Was speaking at a University event and appears to have been shot (from distance) in the neck.
And actually shot, not the Donald Trump kind.
Horrific whatever your political views and has no place in politics
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:44 - Sep 14 with 1026 views | J2BLUE |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:41 - Sep 14 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I replied something like 'disgusting, hope they are caught and get maximum sentences'. To which, I **think** I was basically accused of trolling ...
That bit never happened, I think I said you can't have it both ways as in express your sincere thoughts on this rape but also cosplay on threads rooted in xenophobia just to try and wind up 'the right people' which you do, repeatedly. |
Thank you.
I disagree though. Were you referring to the GSTK comment? |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:45 - Sep 14 with 1020 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 16:23 - Sep 14 by Kropotkin123 |
I have stated he isn't a fascist, so many times it is becoming tedious for me to include it as a clause. Not once have I been the victim of bullying and hatred within this thread. Perhaps it's because I'm not an apologist for his extremism. |
I find it odd/difficult (not sure the correct term) that whenever more than one person disagrees with someone, they feel that they are being collectively bullied. I do get that there are a few posters (from both ends of the political spectrum as well as one or two serial trolls) who get quite aggressive and use a lot of insults but it isn't what I would call bullying.
Clearly a number of personal arguments continue far too long when it is clear neither party has any intention of listening to the other but those take two or more participants to happen. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:49 - Sep 14 with 972 views | Swailsey |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:28 - Sep 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Not really. I dipped in and out but very rarely and mostly when the transfer window opened. I found it quite liberating. Starting to think about a voluntary absence after the past few days on here. I can see myself getting dragged back into pointless debates with people who mean absolutely nothing to me.
I've always found Lowhouse a balanced and decent poster. We used to have a bi of back and forth pre Corbyn when he'd go into bat for Labour and vice versa.
But honestly don't recognise what some other people are saying. Same reply to Dubs earlier post. And you are two guys I have a lot of time for. |
Fair - I’m not sure what else I can say to that. It’s just a differing of opinions I suppose. But we’re not alone in thinking it, and I wouldn’t say either Dubs or I are particularly controversial in our stances on things, so there must be some smoke/fire? |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:51 - Sep 14 with 944 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:45 - Sep 14 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I find it odd/difficult (not sure the correct term) that whenever more than one person disagrees with someone, they feel that they are being collectively bullied. I do get that there are a few posters (from both ends of the political spectrum as well as one or two serial trolls) who get quite aggressive and use a lot of insults but it isn't what I would call bullying.
Clearly a number of personal arguments continue far too long when it is clear neither party has any intention of listening to the other but those take two or more participants to happen. |
I think people see things that are personal to them which the majority of other posters don't pick up.
For example, somebody replied to a post that referenced me saying "You get the impression these people would have been saying the same things in the 1930s."
You replied "The main difference is which groups are targeted".
Most people wouldn't't have picked up on that line but at the time I thought it was a very odd reply. Not looking for a row and feel free not to reply but it would be useful to clarify what you meant. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:56 - Sep 14 with 910 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:51 - Sep 14 by GlasgowBlue |
I think people see things that are personal to them which the majority of other posters don't pick up.
For example, somebody replied to a post that referenced me saying "You get the impression these people would have been saying the same things in the 1930s."
You replied "The main difference is which groups are targeted".
Most people wouldn't't have picked up on that line but at the time I thought it was a very odd reply. Not looking for a row and feel free not to reply but it would be useful to clarify what you meant. |
Happy to expand.
The main targets of those in positions of power (including the majority of the mainstream media) in the current climate now are immigrants and Muslims I would say. In 1930s Germany the Jews were the main targets. Of course, other groups came into focus then as well and do at times now as well. That was my thoughts behind that comment. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:56 - Sep 14 with 907 views | Trequartista |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 15:57 - Sep 14 by redrickstuhaart |
How and why are you talking about radical left positions? There is not a hint of tin this thread! Bizarre shifting of the issues. |
As I said, radical leftists was inaccurate, it is not political philosophy I object to, it is behaviour, and that behaviour is exhibited by a subset of the radical left. I think I should perhaps use the phrase woke left instead. I haven’t before because people didn’t like it and I don’t like to deliberately offend, but it’s more accurate, what else can I use? Left-leaning? I am left-leaning and I don’t want any part of their madness. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:57 - Sep 14 with 884 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:49 - Sep 14 by Swailsey |
Fair - I’m not sure what else I can say to that. It’s just a differing of opinions I suppose. But we’re not alone in thinking it, and I wouldn’t say either Dubs or I are particularly controversial in our stances on things, so there must be some smoke/fire? |
As I just said on another thread, posters pick up on different things that others don't notice. Amd I'm sure all of us have some form of confirmation bias.
Anyway, I'm off out for some supper and Jazz.
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:02 - Sep 14 with 846 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:44 - Sep 14 by J2BLUE |
Thank you.
I disagree though. Were you referring to the GSTK comment? |
Yes, on the I saw lots of lovely flags on bridges on my way oop North tread, I thought that was obvious so hadn't spelt it out. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:05 - Sep 14 with 831 views | J2BLUE |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:02 - Sep 14 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Yes, on the I saw lots of lovely flags on bridges on my way oop North tread, I thought that was obvious so hadn't spelt it out. |
Well that was daft and added nothing of any value to the thread, no argument.
I've been posting on here a long time. There are just certain things I associate with certain posters. Sitters has been posting GSTK since the coronation so I just saw flag and went with it. No intent to be a bellend, that just comes naturally. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:08 - Sep 14 with 814 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 13:20 - Sep 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Lowhouse was honest enough to post that he knew little to nothing about Charlie Kirk and asked for justification as to why Kirk was branded a fascist. I would imagine 99% of the people throwing around terms such as fascist had ever heard of him before the news broke of his murder either.
The only people I'd trust 100% on this thread when they say they knew about Charlie Kirk and what he stood for are Dan The Man, Kropotkin and Blueschev. Maybe Grizzers as well.
Oddly enough, a number of the people who downvoted me saying that I didn't believe the label fascist was appropriate when describing Charlie Kirk also upvoted Blueschev in a post where he said "I wouldn't call him a fascist". Which goes to show that a lot of people on here don't actually react to what is posted but rather to the people who are posting it and Lowhouse is certainly a victim of this. [Post edited 14 Sep 16:12]
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I did. I've even posted elsewhere where I've watched a debate with him and an Oxbridge student (can't remember if it's this thread or another).
Along with "imagine 99% of the people throwing around terms such as fascist had ever heard of him before the news broke of his murder either" ...you seem to be throwing around a lot of assumptions. Personally I'd imagine people calling him fascist probably did know a fair bit about him, else why would they be calling him that?
If you can't see what Lowhouse is doing then that's on you. Lot's of other people can see it. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:12 - Sep 14 with 786 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 14:04 - Sep 14 by eireblue |
I get the point of what lowhouse is trying but is just playing a definition game.
Sure, it is easy, if being accused of being a fascist, to deflect and make the person saying that seem reactionary, extremist and silly. And play into the person being accused.
But here’s a thing, Hitler was religious, his views changed, but he had religious views. He was intolerant of other religions, and promoted a view. Nazi’s started influencing young people in the 1920s. In the 1920’s were they promoting a world view that suggest Jews should be put into concentration camps, and Germany should go to war, or were the promoting an Aryan vision, a make Germany great agin, you may say.
Was Hitler misunderstood, was he just very religious and socially conservative for a while, you know, before he was elected, and then turned Fascist.
As an aside. Someone debating from the starting point of “Prove me wrong” isn’t debating.
Sure the US is a democracy. But let’s consider, Project 2025…which: calls for the replacement of merit-based federal civil service workers by people loyal to Trump and for taking partisan control of key government agencies, including the Department of Justice, FBI. And the purpose of Project 2025…"building a governing agenda, not just for next January but long into the future"
Now Charlie Kirk, didn’t think laws for civil rights is good, he didn’t like feminism and thought women should be house wife’s, he didn’t like LGBTQ+ rights, talked about Gods perfect Law in stoning homosexuals, and wasn’t keen on immigrants. And he was part of Project 2025.
So let’s consider this, we have a group of people, that want to ensure they stay in power, they demonise other political parties, they don’t like gay people, they don’t like other religions, they don’t like civil rights legislation, they don’t like immigrants, they want to take over the courts and law enforcement, and they are quite happy to deploy the military, and are religious fundamentalists…..sure what could possible go wrong, but let’s not call that Fascism, or more importantly people that want and advocate for that outcome, lest not call them Fascists…..wait until they start doing more of that sort of thing, so let’s give another 10 years….
Luckily in the past when Mosley was trying to get started with his Fascist party, war with Germany broke out.
With Elon Musk et al, funding and trying to influence the U.K. i.e calling for the dissolution of Parliament, we of course should not be concerned in anyway…let’s worry about the precise definition of what we are seeing.
Lowhouse, good job, you are very good at talking to people who are concerned about what is happening about what word to use.
Well done you.
By the way, would you describe a fundamental religious organisation that wants to maintain power, Fascist, or just you know, a bit right?
What is the correct word to describe what Project 2025 want to achieve?
Personally I think you should be turning that intellect into something productive.
Your task is still, to convince Benters to not vote for Farage and his party.
If you can do that, I make you right.
How is it going so far? |
Defending these people - whatever one wants to call them - is a strange hill a few people here want to die on. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:16 - Sep 14 with 756 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 15:54 - Sep 14 by Trequartista |
I’ve calmed down a bit now, I just can’t stand bullying and what I could have written would have seen a ban, so I’m glad I wrote what I did however lumping all radical leftists into one basket was inaccurate.
Absolutely nothing wrong with a radical left political position, it’s the inability to accept there are alternative viewpoints that I take issue with. There are certainly those with whom I disagree as what I would term radical left with who are perfectly willing to engage with good humour (Swansea blue for example). Others not so.
If anyone is familiar with Novara Media that gives a good example of what I mean. From that crew, Aaron Bastani who I believe is a Marxist, engages with people from all parts of the spectrum with good humour, appears on GB News to give opinions and I enjoy listening to him. Michael Walker also of Novara Media sits in his dungeon sneering. |
Novara Media and Politics Joe are both very good. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:39 - Sep 14 with 665 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:56 - Sep 14 by Trequartista |
As I said, radical leftists was inaccurate, it is not political philosophy I object to, it is behaviour, and that behaviour is exhibited by a subset of the radical left. I think I should perhaps use the phrase woke left instead. I haven’t before because people didn’t like it and I don’t like to deliberately offend, but it’s more accurate, what else can I use? Left-leaning? I am left-leaning and I don’t want any part of their madness. |
What is it you are talking about?
"Radical left" is how Trump tries to demonise normal non- republicans, and may also apply to a very small group of loons, who have no real impact or presence in the vast majority of discourse and certainly dont appear on this forum.
What is this "behaviour" you talk of? And who do you consider to be "radical left"? Very odd! |  | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:52 - Sep 14 with 615 views | bartyg |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:56 - Sep 14 by Trequartista |
As I said, radical leftists was inaccurate, it is not political philosophy I object to, it is behaviour, and that behaviour is exhibited by a subset of the radical left. I think I should perhaps use the phrase woke left instead. I haven’t before because people didn’t like it and I don’t like to deliberately offend, but it’s more accurate, what else can I use? Left-leaning? I am left-leaning and I don’t want any part of their madness. |
Maybe you should try to articulate what you mean in private and then come back? It's really hard to follow. The only time I've heard the phrase "radical leftists" recently is from Trump and the MAGA right. Not even that common in the UK, usually more "far left" |  | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:16 - Sep 14 with 514 views | DJR |
18 pages on this (where the motives for the murder aren't clear) but no threads about the state of public services.
The strategy is obviously working. [Post edited 14 Sep 19:23]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:17 - Sep 14 with 507 views | rkc123 |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:56 - Sep 14 by Trequartista |
As I said, radical leftists was inaccurate, it is not political philosophy I object to, it is behaviour, and that behaviour is exhibited by a subset of the radical left. I think I should perhaps use the phrase woke left instead. I haven’t before because people didn’t like it and I don’t like to deliberately offend, but it’s more accurate, what else can I use? Left-leaning? I am left-leaning and I don’t want any part of their madness. |
I get that this thread has moved quite far away from the original topic, but to post about the radical left or woke left in this thread seems quite strange. Charlie Kirk was by any definition far right, so I don't think you have to be very far left to disagree strongly with most of the things he stood for. [Post edited 14 Sep 19:18]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:23 - Sep 14 with 454 views | Swailsey |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:17 - Sep 14 by rkc123 |
I get that this thread has moved quite far away from the original topic, but to post about the radical left or woke left in this thread seems quite strange. Charlie Kirk was by any definition far right, so I don't think you have to be very far left to disagree strongly with most of the things he stood for. [Post edited 14 Sep 19:18]
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I also think we perhaps have maybe 2 (being very generous) posters who could be described as ‘radical left*’ on here.
* I don’t like this term, and feel it is too often used to negatively describe good, kind people who are unhappy with prejudice, hate, marginalisation, cruelty, and are very vocal about it. [Post edited 14 Sep 19:23]
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| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:24 - Sep 14 with 443 views | DJR |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:23 - Sep 14 by Swailsey |
I also think we perhaps have maybe 2 (being very generous) posters who could be described as ‘radical left*’ on here.
* I don’t like this term, and feel it is too often used to negatively describe good, kind people who are unhappy with prejudice, hate, marginalisation, cruelty, and are very vocal about it. [Post edited 14 Sep 19:23]
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The correct term is radical left lunatic. 
In the way that Trump uses it, it appears to apply to anyone who is a Democrat. [Post edited 14 Sep 19:33]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:33 - Sep 14 with 392 views | J2BLUE |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:16 - Sep 14 by DJR |
18 pages on this (where the motives for the murder aren't clear) but no threads about the state of public services.
The strategy is obviously working. [Post edited 14 Sep 19:23]
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The state of the NHS is well known though and has been a bubbling issue for a long time. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:34 - Sep 14 with 380 views | J2BLUE |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:23 - Sep 14 by Swailsey |
I also think we perhaps have maybe 2 (being very generous) posters who could be described as ‘radical left*’ on here.
* I don’t like this term, and feel it is too often used to negatively describe good, kind people who are unhappy with prejudice, hate, marginalisation, cruelty, and are very vocal about it. [Post edited 14 Sep 19:23]
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Out of interest do you think the same about the number of genuinely far right people on here? | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:40 - Sep 14 with 337 views | Swailsey |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:34 - Sep 14 by J2BLUE |
Out of interest do you think the same about the number of genuinely far right people on here? |
Do I think far right people are kind and want to fight prejudice? No, obviously not. | |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:42 - Sep 14 with 321 views | Dubtractor |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:40 - Sep 14 by Swailsey |
Do I think far right people are kind and want to fight prejudice? No, obviously not. |
I think he meant about how many of them are there. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:44 - Sep 14 with 301 views | Swailsey |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:42 - Sep 14 by Dubtractor |
I think he meant about how many of them are there. |
Oh.
I think we have 3 or 4 at most far rights on here, but an awful lot more apologists or people who are being willingly ignorant about the parties they vote for.
People prefer to bury their heads in the sand and not realise the impact their voting has towards the increasing cruelty our world is suffering from. | |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:44 - Sep 14 with 299 views | bartyg |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:34 - Sep 14 by J2BLUE |
Out of interest do you think the same about the number of genuinely far right people on here? |
Maybe because "far left" viewpoints relate to wealth inequality, whilst far right ones are usually about creating an ethnostate | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:44 - Sep 14 with 286 views | J2BLUE |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:40 - Sep 14 by Swailsey |
Do I think far right people are kind and want to fight prejudice? No, obviously not. |
Giving you the benefit of the doubt...I mean the number of posters. | |
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