| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 06:25 - Sep 23 with 1028 views | DJR |
History is in reverse. We're moving from the Age of Enlightenment to the Dark Ages, and skipping the Middle Ages.
Interestingly, Christianity was one of the few things to thrive in the Dark Ages, and seems to be underlying a big part of what's going on in the MAGA movement. [Post edited 23 Sep 6:28]
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| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 06:39 - Sep 23 with 962 views | Cotty |
He truly is a polymath. What a guy. |  | | |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 06:48 - Sep 23 with 935 views | NthQldITFC |
How much bleach should I drink to cure my porphyria Donald? |  |
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| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:03 - Sep 23 with 898 views | NthQldITFC |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 06:25 - Sep 23 by DJR |
History is in reverse. We're moving from the Age of Enlightenment to the Dark Ages, and skipping the Middle Ages.
Interestingly, Christianity was one of the few things to thrive in the Dark Ages, and seems to be underlying a big part of what's going on in the MAGA movement. [Post edited 23 Sep 6:28]
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I can't get my head around things like this - I was going to say 'anti-science' but then I'm prejudging a motivation which I just don't understand, literally.
I'm confused by it and it really makes me feel like I'm a different species or something. I really struggle dealing with people who aren't fundamentally honest, even people who are just almost what you might call 'normally' deceitful and manipulative - I can't handle it, it devalues everything for me, from personal relationships to international diplomacy, and it doesn't do the deceiver any favours as far as I can see, not in terms of the true currency of their happiness anyway.
So what are these loons like Tr*mp actually up to?
a. Are you saying it's dogmatic religious claptrap coming up against science and they actually believe in what they're doing over cold hard evidence?
b. Or are they trying to kill off the masses while they secretly carry on benefiting from things that they publicly disavow?
c. Are they just mad?
d. Is it some sort of big joke? | |
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| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:14 - Sep 23 with 845 views | StokieBlue |
His speech was disgraceful.
Not only was it unscientific but he's followed RJKs lead in attempting to undermine the MMR vaccine at a time when measles is making a comeback in the US.
A vaccine that has repeatedly been proven safe and the doctor who cast doubt on it was struck off for falsifying data.
He also looked to undermine the Hepatitis vaccine.
There was a good documentary the BBC last night on Disease X which really highlights why we need to be scientific about discussions and not look to undermine effective treatments thus we could be in real trouble if something nasty comes along.
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| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:29 - Sep 23 with 762 views | DJR |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:03 - Sep 23 by NthQldITFC |
I can't get my head around things like this - I was going to say 'anti-science' but then I'm prejudging a motivation which I just don't understand, literally.
I'm confused by it and it really makes me feel like I'm a different species or something. I really struggle dealing with people who aren't fundamentally honest, even people who are just almost what you might call 'normally' deceitful and manipulative - I can't handle it, it devalues everything for me, from personal relationships to international diplomacy, and it doesn't do the deceiver any favours as far as I can see, not in terms of the true currency of their happiness anyway.
So what are these loons like Tr*mp actually up to?
a. Are you saying it's dogmatic religious claptrap coming up against science and they actually believe in what they're doing over cold hard evidence?
b. Or are they trying to kill off the masses while they secretly carry on benefiting from things that they publicly disavow?
c. Are they just mad?
d. Is it some sort of big joke? |
This from a BBC report on the Charlie Kirk memorial (as well as the description of Kirk as a martyr) suggests that religion certainly plays a very big part in what's going on.
"Kirk memorial's religious and political mix hints at future of Maga movement
Hint of a religious revival
While the event had its discordant notes, the overall theme was akin to a religious revival – reminiscent of Billy Graham's tent crusades of the 1930 and 1940s or the "great awakenings" of the 19th Century.
The memorial service celebrated Charlie Kirk's Christianity and promised a new enthusiasm among young Americans for traditional values with an evangelical fervour.
Tens of thousands of supporters packed the stadium and millions more watched online. Those numbers are sure to be encouraging for conservative leaders who want to see Christianity play a more central role in American public and political life – a view that Kirk himself repeatedly expressed.
"The body politic of America was so Christian and was so Protestant that our form and structure of government was built for the people that believed in Christ our Lord," Kirk said in 2024. "You cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population." | | | |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:34 - Sep 23 with 746 views | Plums |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 06:25 - Sep 23 by DJR |
History is in reverse. We're moving from the Age of Enlightenment to the Dark Ages, and skipping the Middle Ages.
Interestingly, Christianity was one of the few things to thrive in the Dark Ages, and seems to be underlying a big part of what's going on in the MAGA movement. [Post edited 23 Sep 6:28]
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It was only a matter of time. The lyrics of New Model Army's Christian Militia written in 1984 are hauntingly prescient. Weird interpretations of Christianity seem to almost be the fuel and justification for the Trump regime.
Christian Militia
There's a witch hunt coming, screaming out on it's rebirth
There's a crusade coming, Hellfire's back here on earth
See the light in their eyes shine, listen to their words like swords
The Christian militia is marching now
There's a witch hunt coming, born out of all the American fears
There's a new purge coming, an inquisition for all of us here
Hold onto your sanity as best you can
While some Hitler claims to speak for the Son of Man
The Christian militia is marching now
Hatred makes the adrenaline flow
Stir up the fire watch it grow
Everybody loves a righteous cause
Old lives forgotten in holy wars
Everything forgotten in holy wars
There's a nightmare coming, shut up your doors shut up your mind
There's a nightmare coming - Born Again, born again blind
The girls show the way, then show us their legs
With American showbiz razzmatazz
With sex in one hand and a gun in the other, Christ returns
The right-wing respectable clampdown clan
Find their figure head in a holy man
Here come the Christians an hysterical mob
Worshiping the Devil in the name of God
Worshiping the Devil in the name of God [Post edited 23 Sep 7:35]
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| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:37 - Sep 23 with 720 views | NthQldITFC |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:29 - Sep 23 by DJR |
This from a BBC report on the Charlie Kirk memorial (as well as the description of Kirk as a martyr) suggests that religion certainly plays a very big part in what's going on.
"Kirk memorial's religious and political mix hints at future of Maga movement
Hint of a religious revival
While the event had its discordant notes, the overall theme was akin to a religious revival – reminiscent of Billy Graham's tent crusades of the 1930 and 1940s or the "great awakenings" of the 19th Century.
The memorial service celebrated Charlie Kirk's Christianity and promised a new enthusiasm among young Americans for traditional values with an evangelical fervour.
Tens of thousands of supporters packed the stadium and millions more watched online. Those numbers are sure to be encouraging for conservative leaders who want to see Christianity play a more central role in American public and political life – a view that Kirk himself repeatedly expressed.
"The body politic of America was so Christian and was so Protestant that our form and structure of government was built for the people that believed in Christ our Lord," Kirk said in 2024. "You cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population." |
Humans are weird. | |
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| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:54 - Sep 23 with 638 views | bsw72 |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:37 - Sep 23 by NthQldITFC |
Humans are weird. |
I’m beginning to wonder whether David Icke was right and the world is being taken over by reptilian humanoids from the Draco constellation.
They’ve obviously been here for a while but are now pushing the boundaries to see what they can get away with.
Effectively they are normalizing the extreme ahead of revealing themselves, because by that stage the world will be relieved its aliens and not just power crazed megalomaniacs. |  | | |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:56 - Sep 23 with 627 views | GlasgowBlue |
This is the bloke who wanted to inject bleach into people’s arms to fight covid. |  |
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| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:57 - Sep 23 with 624 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:03 - Sep 23 by NthQldITFC |
I can't get my head around things like this - I was going to say 'anti-science' but then I'm prejudging a motivation which I just don't understand, literally.
I'm confused by it and it really makes me feel like I'm a different species or something. I really struggle dealing with people who aren't fundamentally honest, even people who are just almost what you might call 'normally' deceitful and manipulative - I can't handle it, it devalues everything for me, from personal relationships to international diplomacy, and it doesn't do the deceiver any favours as far as I can see, not in terms of the true currency of their happiness anyway.
So what are these loons like Tr*mp actually up to?
a. Are you saying it's dogmatic religious claptrap coming up against science and they actually believe in what they're doing over cold hard evidence?
b. Or are they trying to kill off the masses while they secretly carry on benefiting from things that they publicly disavow?
c. Are they just mad?
d. Is it some sort of big joke? |
Possibly they’ve worked out it’s the ultimate grift that will have their tribe unquestionably devoted, so they can then get away with doing what they want to their own benefit. I don’t think you need to look much further than greed and self-interest for motives. |  |
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| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:58 - Sep 23 with 604 views | iamatractorboy |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:29 - Sep 23 by DJR |
This from a BBC report on the Charlie Kirk memorial (as well as the description of Kirk as a martyr) suggests that religion certainly plays a very big part in what's going on.
"Kirk memorial's religious and political mix hints at future of Maga movement
Hint of a religious revival
While the event had its discordant notes, the overall theme was akin to a religious revival – reminiscent of Billy Graham's tent crusades of the 1930 and 1940s or the "great awakenings" of the 19th Century.
The memorial service celebrated Charlie Kirk's Christianity and promised a new enthusiasm among young Americans for traditional values with an evangelical fervour.
Tens of thousands of supporters packed the stadium and millions more watched online. Those numbers are sure to be encouraging for conservative leaders who want to see Christianity play a more central role in American public and political life – a view that Kirk himself repeatedly expressed.
"The body politic of America was so Christian and was so Protestant that our form and structure of government was built for the people that believed in Christ our Lord," Kirk said in 2024. "You cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population." |
And of course, they will pick and choose the bits of Christianity (the bible) that they want to follow, and ignore the other inconvenient bits like being kind to everyone, love thy neighbour etc. |  | | |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:59 - Sep 23 with 592 views | iamatractorboy |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:03 - Sep 23 by NthQldITFC |
I can't get my head around things like this - I was going to say 'anti-science' but then I'm prejudging a motivation which I just don't understand, literally.
I'm confused by it and it really makes me feel like I'm a different species or something. I really struggle dealing with people who aren't fundamentally honest, even people who are just almost what you might call 'normally' deceitful and manipulative - I can't handle it, it devalues everything for me, from personal relationships to international diplomacy, and it doesn't do the deceiver any favours as far as I can see, not in terms of the true currency of their happiness anyway.
So what are these loons like Tr*mp actually up to?
a. Are you saying it's dogmatic religious claptrap coming up against science and they actually believe in what they're doing over cold hard evidence?
b. Or are they trying to kill off the masses while they secretly carry on benefiting from things that they publicly disavow?
c. Are they just mad?
d. Is it some sort of big joke? |
I struggle to see the ultimate goal too. Because let's face it, anything Trump does is ultimately in service of Trump. What good does killing off lots of people (and not just 'the wrong sort', wink wink)? The only thing I can think of is peddling some other 'cures' that they have large stakes in. | | | |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 08:05 - Sep 23 with 545 views | NthQldITFC |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:57 - Sep 23 by Swansea_Blue |
Possibly they’ve worked out it’s the ultimate grift that will have their tribe unquestionably devoted, so they can then get away with doing what they want to their own benefit. I don’t think you need to look much further than greed and self-interest for motives. |
So it's just a cynical manipulation of the gullible masses. I suppose that is it, it's almost too obvious to be obvious! But either Tr*mp and RFKJ et al are exceptional actors, or they're also part of the gullible masses themselves. Who's pulling the strings? Is it the lizards? | |
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| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 08:26 - Sep 23 with 450 views | WD19 |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:58 - Sep 23 by iamatractorboy |
And of course, they will pick and choose the bits of Christianity (the bible) that they want to follow, and ignore the other inconvenient bits like being kind to everyone, love thy neighbour etc. |
I haven’t read it recently, but there is probably an inconvenient bit in there about not being too rapey. I imagine that’s a fake bit of the bible that probably needs to be written out. |  | | |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 08:28 - Sep 23 with 445 views | DJR |
Interestingly, Trump has linked increasing autism cases to the use of paracetamol, but the drug has been in common use in the US and the UK since the 1950s so that claim doesn't (in a causal sense) seem to stand up to scrutiny.
This suggests other factors such as better diagnosis. [Post edited 23 Sep 8:39]
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| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 08:30 - Sep 23 with 439 views | DJR |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:58 - Sep 23 by iamatractorboy |
And of course, they will pick and choose the bits of Christianity (the bible) that they want to follow, and ignore the other inconvenient bits like being kind to everyone, love thy neighbour etc. |
Yes, evangelical Christianity in the States seems far removed from the teachings of Jesus.
EDIT: Take this abstract from the following link.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2378023118790189
Despite increasingly frequent mass shootings and a growing dissatisfaction with current gun laws, American opposition to federal gun legislation remains strong. The authors show that opposition to stricter gun control is closely linked to Christian nationalism, a religious cultural framework that mandates a symbiotic relationship between Christianity and civil society. Using data from a national population-based survey, the authors show that Christian nationalism is an exceptionally strong predictor of opposition to the federal government’s enacting stricter gun laws. Of all the variables considered, only general political orientation has more predictive power than Christian nationalism. The authors propose that the gun control debate is complicated by deeply held moral and religious schemas that discussions focused solely on rational public safety calculations do not sufficiently address. For the substantial proportion of American society who are Christian nationalists, gun rights are God given and sacred. Consequently, attempts to reform existing gun laws must attend to the deeper cultural and religious identities that undergird Americans’ beliefs about gun control. [Post edited 23 Sep 8:46]
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| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 08:31 - Sep 23 with 436 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:03 - Sep 23 by NthQldITFC |
I can't get my head around things like this - I was going to say 'anti-science' but then I'm prejudging a motivation which I just don't understand, literally.
I'm confused by it and it really makes me feel like I'm a different species or something. I really struggle dealing with people who aren't fundamentally honest, even people who are just almost what you might call 'normally' deceitful and manipulative - I can't handle it, it devalues everything for me, from personal relationships to international diplomacy, and it doesn't do the deceiver any favours as far as I can see, not in terms of the true currency of their happiness anyway.
So what are these loons like Tr*mp actually up to?
a. Are you saying it's dogmatic religious claptrap coming up against science and they actually believe in what they're doing over cold hard evidence?
b. Or are they trying to kill off the masses while they secretly carry on benefiting from things that they publicly disavow?
c. Are they just mad?
d. Is it some sort of big joke? |
They are leveraging the public inclination to find a big conspiracy, perpetuated by big pharma etc that everyone can rebel against and will justify use of steps which shut down indpendent bodies and free speech. [Post edited 23 Sep 8:32]
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| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 08:31 - Sep 23 with 433 views | WD19 |
Just wait until you see the evidence of the link between headaches and people that take paracetamol. It’s a scandal waiting to happen. | | | |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 08:35 - Sep 23 with 399 views | itfcjoe |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:14 - Sep 23 by StokieBlue |
His speech was disgraceful.
Not only was it unscientific but he's followed RJKs lead in attempting to undermine the MMR vaccine at a time when measles is making a comeback in the US.
A vaccine that has repeatedly been proven safe and the doctor who cast doubt on it was struck off for falsifying data.
He also looked to undermine the Hepatitis vaccine.
There was a good documentary the BBC last night on Disease X which really highlights why we need to be scientific about discussions and not look to undermine effective treatments thus we could be in real trouble if something nasty comes along.
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Andrew Wakefield is now in with the MAGA lot though - he ended up with Elle McPherson so being a fraudulent shyster obviously pays |  |
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| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 08:37 - Sep 23 with 388 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 08:26 - Sep 23 by WD19 |
I haven’t read it recently, but there is probably an inconvenient bit in there about not being too rapey. I imagine that’s a fake bit of the bible that probably needs to be written out. |
I actually dont think there is. On the contrary, there are commands from god to take all the unmarried women as trophies... | | | |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 08:38 - Sep 23 with 383 views | bluelagos |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:03 - Sep 23 by NthQldITFC |
I can't get my head around things like this - I was going to say 'anti-science' but then I'm prejudging a motivation which I just don't understand, literally.
I'm confused by it and it really makes me feel like I'm a different species or something. I really struggle dealing with people who aren't fundamentally honest, even people who are just almost what you might call 'normally' deceitful and manipulative - I can't handle it, it devalues everything for me, from personal relationships to international diplomacy, and it doesn't do the deceiver any favours as far as I can see, not in terms of the true currency of their happiness anyway.
So what are these loons like Tr*mp actually up to?
a. Are you saying it's dogmatic religious claptrap coming up against science and they actually believe in what they're doing over cold hard evidence?
b. Or are they trying to kill off the masses while they secretly carry on benefiting from things that they publicly disavow?
c. Are they just mad?
d. Is it some sort of big joke? |
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| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 08:43 - Sep 23 with 344 views | Pinewoodblue |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 07:03 - Sep 23 by NthQldITFC |
I can't get my head around things like this - I was going to say 'anti-science' but then I'm prejudging a motivation which I just don't understand, literally.
I'm confused by it and it really makes me feel like I'm a different species or something. I really struggle dealing with people who aren't fundamentally honest, even people who are just almost what you might call 'normally' deceitful and manipulative - I can't handle it, it devalues everything for me, from personal relationships to international diplomacy, and it doesn't do the deceiver any favours as far as I can see, not in terms of the true currency of their happiness anyway.
So what are these loons like Tr*mp actually up to?
a. Are you saying it's dogmatic religious claptrap coming up against science and they actually believe in what they're doing over cold hard evidence?
b. Or are they trying to kill off the masses while they secretly carry on benefiting from things that they publicly disavow?
c. Are they just mad?
d. Is it some sort of big joke? |
Trump is clearly profoundly gullible, he simply believes everything he says.
What needs to be identified is who, apart from Putin, is pulling his strings. |  |
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| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 08:44 - Sep 23 with 336 views | NthQldITFC |
| So Trump’s now telling US doctors on 08:43 - Sep 23 by Pinewoodblue |
Trump is clearly profoundly gullible, he simply believes everything he says.
What needs to be identified is who, apart from Putin, is pulling his strings. |
It's the lizards. | |
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