| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason 09:13 - Sep 23 with 2518 views | DJR |
Whenever there is adverse reaction on TWTD, I always like to ask myself "What would Stuart Watson say?"
Well here's his measured response after the Blackburn game.
"I've seen some comments along the lines of 'this performance proves that the 5-0 win against Sheffield United papered over the cracks'. The glass-half empty brigade now suggest that some kind deflections and the Blades being in disarray made that a gift of a result.
Personally, I don't buy into that at all. Everything wasn't broken during a frustrating four-game winless start when the squad was still very much in a state of flux. And everything wasn't suddenly rosy after a confidence-shot side were ruthlessly put to bed late on at Portman Road. The truth, as so often is the case, is somewhere in between.
What more did this game at Ewood Park tell us? In truth, I don't think an awful lot. How can you make any real judgement on a game affected so much, from start to premature finish, by the weather?
In the first half, when the conditions were testing but playable, Town were far from free-flowing but still able to test the keeper three times. They stood up to a series of long throws and corners too. On another day, it would have been set up nicely for the subs to make a difference against tiring legs and the 'classic away day display' headlines to be written.
I'll come onto the second half events shortly. Ultimately though, Ipswich are what they are right now; a relegated club with a talented group of players for the level collectively finding their feet, both on and off the pitch, under a bit of pressure."
As I've said before, I can't imagine there are many (if any) local journalists who come close to Stu. We are lucky to have him.
EDIT: I didn't mean to slight Phil. I was referring to journalists who work in the "printed" media.
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| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:17 - Sep 23 with 1986 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Yep, spot on. |  |
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| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:17 - Sep 23 with 1988 views | Everydayblue |
Pretty much what the silent majority are thinking, too.. |  | | |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:31 - Sep 23 with 1777 views | darkhorse28 |
Wow, I mean he’s right, you can’t judge four games. But you can judge 44!!
Another who seems to have revised last season, and £150 million spent, multiple seasoned internationals signed, to a figment of imaginations.
All because it doesn’t fit his own emotional investment. In something which long since stopped being form or a blip.
I’m sure this group will come together, but the flaws will remain.., and apologists like Stuart are doing serious harm to the club long term.
When we needed agency, accountability and scrutiny, they provided parroting, inertia and looked the other way.
We spent £200 million, in that context even if we do well at this level, it’s really poor, anything. It elite, the recruitment has no context to our shame or leadership traits, and we lack a basic desire to compete.
There were two teams, playing in the same conditions, one wanted to win more the other.
That’s not a free pass. It’s damning. It’s instructive. Guess what. In our remaining 40 games many will be oamhed through a UK winter with the wrong type of rain.
It’s instructive of a group who are the opposite to 23/24.
They genuinely thrived in adversity, welcomed it, embraced the challenge.
This group, one or three of them pull out of tackles and don’t fancy it when it’s tough, at its worst, and I’m sorry, but that what this league is, if you can’t do that, you can’t be successful.
And that’s on McKenna 100% - selecting footballers, playing across the back in those conditions.
They won a red card with a 30 yard straight ball !!
We were trying to play through Jens.., who can’t do this Nast half as well as Nunez can.
Piss poor revisionism from Stuart and all the media, including in here.
It’s way off what journalism should be.., it’s index my job and my career to that of Mark Ashton and prey.
It doesn’t work…, Sheff Utd was the outlier and we didn’t even play well then - poor first half. Quality da ed the day.
When 44 games are dismissed and 3 or 4 are clung on to for deer life, YOU are the problem.
That’s not support. Go and join a cult and worship that. | | | |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:44 - Sep 23 with 1638 views | SouperJim |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:31 - Sep 23 by darkhorse28 |
Wow, I mean he’s right, you can’t judge four games. But you can judge 44!!
Another who seems to have revised last season, and £150 million spent, multiple seasoned internationals signed, to a figment of imaginations.
All because it doesn’t fit his own emotional investment. In something which long since stopped being form or a blip.
I’m sure this group will come together, but the flaws will remain.., and apologists like Stuart are doing serious harm to the club long term.
When we needed agency, accountability and scrutiny, they provided parroting, inertia and looked the other way.
We spent £200 million, in that context even if we do well at this level, it’s really poor, anything. It elite, the recruitment has no context to our shame or leadership traits, and we lack a basic desire to compete.
There were two teams, playing in the same conditions, one wanted to win more the other.
That’s not a free pass. It’s damning. It’s instructive. Guess what. In our remaining 40 games many will be oamhed through a UK winter with the wrong type of rain.
It’s instructive of a group who are the opposite to 23/24.
They genuinely thrived in adversity, welcomed it, embraced the challenge.
This group, one or three of them pull out of tackles and don’t fancy it when it’s tough, at its worst, and I’m sorry, but that what this league is, if you can’t do that, you can’t be successful.
And that’s on McKenna 100% - selecting footballers, playing across the back in those conditions.
They won a red card with a 30 yard straight ball !!
We were trying to play through Jens.., who can’t do this Nast half as well as Nunez can.
Piss poor revisionism from Stuart and all the media, including in here.
It’s way off what journalism should be.., it’s index my job and my career to that of Mark Ashton and prey.
It doesn’t work…, Sheff Utd was the outlier and we didn’t even play well then - poor first half. Quality da ed the day.
When 44 games are dismissed and 3 or 4 are clung on to for deer life, YOU are the problem.
That’s not support. Go and join a cult and worship that. |
Or maybe, just maybe, his view is balanced and reasonable based on what we've seen this season. Rather than a 20 paragraph tiresome rant by one angry fan who has lost all sense of context and already made his mind up. |  |
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| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:52 - Sep 23 with 1522 views | Herbivore |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:31 - Sep 23 by darkhorse28 |
Wow, I mean he’s right, you can’t judge four games. But you can judge 44!!
Another who seems to have revised last season, and £150 million spent, multiple seasoned internationals signed, to a figment of imaginations.
All because it doesn’t fit his own emotional investment. In something which long since stopped being form or a blip.
I’m sure this group will come together, but the flaws will remain.., and apologists like Stuart are doing serious harm to the club long term.
When we needed agency, accountability and scrutiny, they provided parroting, inertia and looked the other way.
We spent £200 million, in that context even if we do well at this level, it’s really poor, anything. It elite, the recruitment has no context to our shame or leadership traits, and we lack a basic desire to compete.
There were two teams, playing in the same conditions, one wanted to win more the other.
That’s not a free pass. It’s damning. It’s instructive. Guess what. In our remaining 40 games many will be oamhed through a UK winter with the wrong type of rain.
It’s instructive of a group who are the opposite to 23/24.
They genuinely thrived in adversity, welcomed it, embraced the challenge.
This group, one or three of them pull out of tackles and don’t fancy it when it’s tough, at its worst, and I’m sorry, but that what this league is, if you can’t do that, you can’t be successful.
And that’s on McKenna 100% - selecting footballers, playing across the back in those conditions.
They won a red card with a 30 yard straight ball !!
We were trying to play through Jens.., who can’t do this Nast half as well as Nunez can.
Piss poor revisionism from Stuart and all the media, including in here.
It’s way off what journalism should be.., it’s index my job and my career to that of Mark Ashton and prey.
It doesn’t work…, Sheff Utd was the outlier and we didn’t even play well then - poor first half. Quality da ed the day.
When 44 games are dismissed and 3 or 4 are clung on to for deer life, YOU are the problem.
That’s not support. Go and join a cult and worship that. |
And they all lived happily ever after. |  |
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| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:53 - Sep 23 with 1499 views | SouperJim |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:52 - Sep 23 by Herbivore |
And they all lived happily ever after. |
Except the ones who had an aneurysm attempting to read and make sense of his "post" | |
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| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:56 - Sep 23 with 1455 views | norfsufblue |
Agree.... on Saturday when it actually came down to the proper football stuff we actually much much better at it than Blackburn sadly the conditions did not allow it to happen that often. |  | | |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:58 - Sep 23 with 1442 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Next 3 games seem huge. A very winnable home game, a tough away game and the Derby.
Win on Saturday and technically it is back to back wins. Probably take a point at Bristol and then the Derby game is massive. A win against them will galvanise the whole club and fanbase. |  |
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| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:05 - Sep 23 with 1369 views | BlueBadger |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:31 - Sep 23 by darkhorse28 |
Wow, I mean he’s right, you can’t judge four games. But you can judge 44!!
Another who seems to have revised last season, and £150 million spent, multiple seasoned internationals signed, to a figment of imaginations.
All because it doesn’t fit his own emotional investment. In something which long since stopped being form or a blip.
I’m sure this group will come together, but the flaws will remain.., and apologists like Stuart are doing serious harm to the club long term.
When we needed agency, accountability and scrutiny, they provided parroting, inertia and looked the other way.
We spent £200 million, in that context even if we do well at this level, it’s really poor, anything. It elite, the recruitment has no context to our shame or leadership traits, and we lack a basic desire to compete.
There were two teams, playing in the same conditions, one wanted to win more the other.
That’s not a free pass. It’s damning. It’s instructive. Guess what. In our remaining 40 games many will be oamhed through a UK winter with the wrong type of rain.
It’s instructive of a group who are the opposite to 23/24.
They genuinely thrived in adversity, welcomed it, embraced the challenge.
This group, one or three of them pull out of tackles and don’t fancy it when it’s tough, at its worst, and I’m sorry, but that what this league is, if you can’t do that, you can’t be successful.
And that’s on McKenna 100% - selecting footballers, playing across the back in those conditions.
They won a red card with a 30 yard straight ball !!
We were trying to play through Jens.., who can’t do this Nast half as well as Nunez can.
Piss poor revisionism from Stuart and all the media, including in here.
It’s way off what journalism should be.., it’s index my job and my career to that of Mark Ashton and prey.
It doesn’t work…, Sheff Utd was the outlier and we didn’t even play well then - poor first half. Quality da ed the day.
When 44 games are dismissed and 3 or 4 are clung on to for deer life, YOU are the problem.
That’s not support. Go and join a cult and worship that. |
Could be worse, we could have lost at home to Wrexham, like your boys did this weekend just gone. |  |
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| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:10 - Sep 23 with 1299 views | NedPlimpton |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:31 - Sep 23 by darkhorse28 |
Wow, I mean he’s right, you can’t judge four games. But you can judge 44!!
Another who seems to have revised last season, and £150 million spent, multiple seasoned internationals signed, to a figment of imaginations.
All because it doesn’t fit his own emotional investment. In something which long since stopped being form or a blip.
I’m sure this group will come together, but the flaws will remain.., and apologists like Stuart are doing serious harm to the club long term.
When we needed agency, accountability and scrutiny, they provided parroting, inertia and looked the other way.
We spent £200 million, in that context even if we do well at this level, it’s really poor, anything. It elite, the recruitment has no context to our shame or leadership traits, and we lack a basic desire to compete.
There were two teams, playing in the same conditions, one wanted to win more the other.
That’s not a free pass. It’s damning. It’s instructive. Guess what. In our remaining 40 games many will be oamhed through a UK winter with the wrong type of rain.
It’s instructive of a group who are the opposite to 23/24.
They genuinely thrived in adversity, welcomed it, embraced the challenge.
This group, one or three of them pull out of tackles and don’t fancy it when it’s tough, at its worst, and I’m sorry, but that what this league is, if you can’t do that, you can’t be successful.
And that’s on McKenna 100% - selecting footballers, playing across the back in those conditions.
They won a red card with a 30 yard straight ball !!
We were trying to play through Jens.., who can’t do this Nast half as well as Nunez can.
Piss poor revisionism from Stuart and all the media, including in here.
It’s way off what journalism should be.., it’s index my job and my career to that of Mark Ashton and prey.
It doesn’t work…, Sheff Utd was the outlier and we didn’t even play well then - poor first half. Quality da ed the day.
When 44 games are dismissed and 3 or 4 are clung on to for deer life, YOU are the problem.
That’s not support. Go and join a cult and worship that. |
"All because it doesn’t fit his own emotional investment"
Pretty sure he's an Everton fan, which is why he's able to remove emotion from his commentary. Unlike some, who get so emotional that they can't form coherent sentences! |  | | |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:13 - Sep 23 with 1271 views | HighgateBlue |
Good enough journalist. Fine. Nothing against him.
But when a glass is objectively half full or half empty, one has the choice of how one analyses it and how one chooses to see it. Different people will legitimately disagree, and that's fine. I can respect each side.
However, in the current situation, the glass is rather less than half full. Some kind waiter or waitress might come along and top it up, in which case that would be great and we can all be happy. But right now, the glass is less than half full. (Note that I don't say more than half empty). We have one win in 5, and that's being kind and ignoring the Blackburn debacle. Having spent several fortunes, we've beaten a team with some kind of special record of cr@pness. And no-one else.
That is simply not half full. |  | | |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:13 - Sep 23 with 1270 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:31 - Sep 23 by darkhorse28 |
Wow, I mean he’s right, you can’t judge four games. But you can judge 44!!
Another who seems to have revised last season, and £150 million spent, multiple seasoned internationals signed, to a figment of imaginations.
All because it doesn’t fit his own emotional investment. In something which long since stopped being form or a blip.
I’m sure this group will come together, but the flaws will remain.., and apologists like Stuart are doing serious harm to the club long term.
When we needed agency, accountability and scrutiny, they provided parroting, inertia and looked the other way.
We spent £200 million, in that context even if we do well at this level, it’s really poor, anything. It elite, the recruitment has no context to our shame or leadership traits, and we lack a basic desire to compete.
There were two teams, playing in the same conditions, one wanted to win more the other.
That’s not a free pass. It’s damning. It’s instructive. Guess what. In our remaining 40 games many will be oamhed through a UK winter with the wrong type of rain.
It’s instructive of a group who are the opposite to 23/24.
They genuinely thrived in adversity, welcomed it, embraced the challenge.
This group, one or three of them pull out of tackles and don’t fancy it when it’s tough, at its worst, and I’m sorry, but that what this league is, if you can’t do that, you can’t be successful.
And that’s on McKenna 100% - selecting footballers, playing across the back in those conditions.
They won a red card with a 30 yard straight ball !!
We were trying to play through Jens.., who can’t do this Nast half as well as Nunez can.
Piss poor revisionism from Stuart and all the media, including in here.
It’s way off what journalism should be.., it’s index my job and my career to that of Mark Ashton and prey.
It doesn’t work…, Sheff Utd was the outlier and we didn’t even play well then - poor first half. Quality da ed the day.
When 44 games are dismissed and 3 or 4 are clung on to for deer life, YOU are the problem.
That’s not support. Go and join a cult and worship that. |
Yawn. | | | |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:14 - Sep 23 with 1248 views | BlueOura |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:31 - Sep 23 by darkhorse28 |
Wow, I mean he’s right, you can’t judge four games. But you can judge 44!!
Another who seems to have revised last season, and £150 million spent, multiple seasoned internationals signed, to a figment of imaginations.
All because it doesn’t fit his own emotional investment. In something which long since stopped being form or a blip.
I’m sure this group will come together, but the flaws will remain.., and apologists like Stuart are doing serious harm to the club long term.
When we needed agency, accountability and scrutiny, they provided parroting, inertia and looked the other way.
We spent £200 million, in that context even if we do well at this level, it’s really poor, anything. It elite, the recruitment has no context to our shame or leadership traits, and we lack a basic desire to compete.
There were two teams, playing in the same conditions, one wanted to win more the other.
That’s not a free pass. It’s damning. It’s instructive. Guess what. In our remaining 40 games many will be oamhed through a UK winter with the wrong type of rain.
It’s instructive of a group who are the opposite to 23/24.
They genuinely thrived in adversity, welcomed it, embraced the challenge.
This group, one or three of them pull out of tackles and don’t fancy it when it’s tough, at its worst, and I’m sorry, but that what this league is, if you can’t do that, you can’t be successful.
And that’s on McKenna 100% - selecting footballers, playing across the back in those conditions.
They won a red card with a 30 yard straight ball !!
We were trying to play through Jens.., who can’t do this Nast half as well as Nunez can.
Piss poor revisionism from Stuart and all the media, including in here.
It’s way off what journalism should be.., it’s index my job and my career to that of Mark Ashton and prey.
It doesn’t work…, Sheff Utd was the outlier and we didn’t even play well then - poor first half. Quality da ed the day.
When 44 games are dismissed and 3 or 4 are clung on to for deer life, YOU are the problem.
That’s not support. Go and join a cult and worship that. |
"I’m sure this group will come together, but the flaws will remain.., and apologists like Stuart are doing serious harm to the club long term"
Seriously? What an absolute steaming pile of horse shit! ( see what I did there? )
I can't take any more, onto the div list you go. |  | | |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:20 - Sep 23 with 1152 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:31 - Sep 23 by darkhorse28 |
Wow, I mean he’s right, you can’t judge four games. But you can judge 44!!
Another who seems to have revised last season, and £150 million spent, multiple seasoned internationals signed, to a figment of imaginations.
All because it doesn’t fit his own emotional investment. In something which long since stopped being form or a blip.
I’m sure this group will come together, but the flaws will remain.., and apologists like Stuart are doing serious harm to the club long term.
When we needed agency, accountability and scrutiny, they provided parroting, inertia and looked the other way.
We spent £200 million, in that context even if we do well at this level, it’s really poor, anything. It elite, the recruitment has no context to our shame or leadership traits, and we lack a basic desire to compete.
There were two teams, playing in the same conditions, one wanted to win more the other.
That’s not a free pass. It’s damning. It’s instructive. Guess what. In our remaining 40 games many will be oamhed through a UK winter with the wrong type of rain.
It’s instructive of a group who are the opposite to 23/24.
They genuinely thrived in adversity, welcomed it, embraced the challenge.
This group, one or three of them pull out of tackles and don’t fancy it when it’s tough, at its worst, and I’m sorry, but that what this league is, if you can’t do that, you can’t be successful.
And that’s on McKenna 100% - selecting footballers, playing across the back in those conditions.
They won a red card with a 30 yard straight ball !!
We were trying to play through Jens.., who can’t do this Nast half as well as Nunez can.
Piss poor revisionism from Stuart and all the media, including in here.
It’s way off what journalism should be.., it’s index my job and my career to that of Mark Ashton and prey.
It doesn’t work…, Sheff Utd was the outlier and we didn’t even play well then - poor first half. Quality da ed the day.
When 44 games are dismissed and 3 or 4 are clung on to for deer life, YOU are the problem.
That’s not support. Go and join a cult and worship that. |
I think it's you who needs to "go and join a cult" because you certainly don't understand how football works.
Although I'm not sure there's a cult batsh!t enough to take you, so you might need to form your own. | |
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| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:23 - Sep 23 with 1098 views | SitfcB |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:31 - Sep 23 by darkhorse28 |
Wow, I mean he’s right, you can’t judge four games. But you can judge 44!!
Another who seems to have revised last season, and £150 million spent, multiple seasoned internationals signed, to a figment of imaginations.
All because it doesn’t fit his own emotional investment. In something which long since stopped being form or a blip.
I’m sure this group will come together, but the flaws will remain.., and apologists like Stuart are doing serious harm to the club long term.
When we needed agency, accountability and scrutiny, they provided parroting, inertia and looked the other way.
We spent £200 million, in that context even if we do well at this level, it’s really poor, anything. It elite, the recruitment has no context to our shame or leadership traits, and we lack a basic desire to compete.
There were two teams, playing in the same conditions, one wanted to win more the other.
That’s not a free pass. It’s damning. It’s instructive. Guess what. In our remaining 40 games many will be oamhed through a UK winter with the wrong type of rain.
It’s instructive of a group who are the opposite to 23/24.
They genuinely thrived in adversity, welcomed it, embraced the challenge.
This group, one or three of them pull out of tackles and don’t fancy it when it’s tough, at its worst, and I’m sorry, but that what this league is, if you can’t do that, you can’t be successful.
And that’s on McKenna 100% - selecting footballers, playing across the back in those conditions.
They won a red card with a 30 yard straight ball !!
We were trying to play through Jens.., who can’t do this Nast half as well as Nunez can.
Piss poor revisionism from Stuart and all the media, including in here.
It’s way off what journalism should be.., it’s index my job and my career to that of Mark Ashton and prey.
It doesn’t work…, Sheff Utd was the outlier and we didn’t even play well then - poor first half. Quality da ed the day.
When 44 games are dismissed and 3 or 4 are clung on to for deer life, YOU are the problem.
That’s not support. Go and join a cult and worship that. |
F’ck off idiot |  |
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| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:33 - Sep 23 with 973 views | darkhorse28 |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:44 - Sep 23 by SouperJim |
Or maybe, just maybe, his view is balanced and reasonable based on what we've seen this season. Rather than a 20 paragraph tiresome rant by one angry fan who has lost all sense of context and already made his mind up. |
I’ve made my mind up over Mark Ashtons 35 year career, not 1 game.
Which is more ‘balanced’?
McKenna is a great coach, adjusted for age etc, it’s looking like he’s far from a great manager, but with the resources, he wouldn’t need to be to have a great season.
I’ve never said we can’t be relatively successful, and there’s huge talent in the group.
I’ve said for a long while, this isn’t elite, this isn’t progress, this isn’t a strategy and vision for long term success.
And all I get back is drivel. Personal attacks avoiding all the points, revisionism pretending last year didn’t happen or like you and Stuart, 1 game is instructive, 44 games are NOT.
You can’t make it make sense, because it’s devoid of logic, it’s pure emotion form people who indexed their self esteem not to the club, but to two employees.
The club was more important. The consequences too severe.
It’s £200 million - consequences. Once the parachute money is gone let me know how you service the liabilities, no wonder we have so many loans.., no money, no squad if we aren’t promoted.., and all you care about is ego, validation, not dating what you think in case it’s not popular.
I’ll be candid. It’s sad. The club needs voices, leadership, direction, not apathy, pretending 44 games don’t count and second to a really poor Plymouth - as measured over the subsequent 2 seasons, in the third division, is as good as it gets.
We’re better than that.
It’s like some of you want Morecambe every week just for the ‘win’
Have some ambition.
One question fascinates me.., can McKenna ever justify his champions league contract, during its length?
Tell how that’s possible. Or how we ever put the club in that position, after ONE fantastic, generational season in the EFL.
It’s the lack of difficult decision making and vacuum of leadership we’ve exhibited under Mark, and what typified his entire 35 years in the game.
Good.., but miles off elite.
It would have been REALLY hard to let McKenna go, but there’s a reason nobody else would pay him that, because as he proved, he’s not anywhere near that level. Maybe one day.., maybe not.., but a huge risk ., and it has already failed.
It looks every inch that Sam, Mass, Chaplin, Burgess deserved more credit than they ever got - McKenna, probably a little less.
You can coach systems, tactics, even quality to a degree.., you can’t coach desire, will to win.
That’s what we lack - we aren’t losing games through lack of ability, or even tactics, it’s through not having the will to win.., and players that have it, like Nunez - get splinters in conditions like a swimming pool, in favour of pure footballer Jens.
Even Pep and Arteta have completely moved away form that style, far more diverse, direct, flexible.
We have a double pivot.
If it doesn’t work.., more double pivot.., if that fails.., a bit more of the double pivot.
Sorry. We’ve been worked out.., McKenna has one style.., and Sam who could take the ball with 5 Rottweilers at his heels, and retain possession, isn’t here to make it work.
Some of our successs was in spite of McKenna not because off.., sorry that makes you feel bad, personally I think the clubs future is FAR more importnst than how you and Stuart and Phil for that matter feel.
It’s time to adult. We’ll win at the weekend, but every result at this level papers over the cracks.
How are Leeds, Burnley, Sunderland getting on spending less than we did??
Let me guess.., wrong type of rain.
It’s pathetic. | | | |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:34 - Sep 23 with 974 views | DJR |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:10 - Sep 23 by NedPlimpton |
"All because it doesn’t fit his own emotional investment"
Pretty sure he's an Everton fan, which is why he's able to remove emotion from his commentary. Unlike some, who get so emotional that they can't form coherent sentences! |
Yes, he is an Everton fan. In a podcast over the summer he explained why but I can't remember what he said. But he has said that after covering Ipswich for so long, he does have a big soft spot for us. | | | |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:38 - Sep 23 with 913 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:31 - Sep 23 by darkhorse28 |
Wow, I mean he’s right, you can’t judge four games. But you can judge 44!!
Another who seems to have revised last season, and £150 million spent, multiple seasoned internationals signed, to a figment of imaginations.
All because it doesn’t fit his own emotional investment. In something which long since stopped being form or a blip.
I’m sure this group will come together, but the flaws will remain.., and apologists like Stuart are doing serious harm to the club long term.
When we needed agency, accountability and scrutiny, they provided parroting, inertia and looked the other way.
We spent £200 million, in that context even if we do well at this level, it’s really poor, anything. It elite, the recruitment has no context to our shame or leadership traits, and we lack a basic desire to compete.
There were two teams, playing in the same conditions, one wanted to win more the other.
That’s not a free pass. It’s damning. It’s instructive. Guess what. In our remaining 40 games many will be oamhed through a UK winter with the wrong type of rain.
It’s instructive of a group who are the opposite to 23/24.
They genuinely thrived in adversity, welcomed it, embraced the challenge.
This group, one or three of them pull out of tackles and don’t fancy it when it’s tough, at its worst, and I’m sorry, but that what this league is, if you can’t do that, you can’t be successful.
And that’s on McKenna 100% - selecting footballers, playing across the back in those conditions.
They won a red card with a 30 yard straight ball !!
We were trying to play through Jens.., who can’t do this Nast half as well as Nunez can.
Piss poor revisionism from Stuart and all the media, including in here.
It’s way off what journalism should be.., it’s index my job and my career to that of Mark Ashton and prey.
It doesn’t work…, Sheff Utd was the outlier and we didn’t even play well then - poor first half. Quality da ed the day.
When 44 games are dismissed and 3 or 4 are clung on to for deer life, YOU are the problem.
That’s not support. Go and join a cult and worship that. |
Now It's ironic me of all people saying this
But fken ell. How much longer does this board need to put up with this tripe.
At least my negatives were genuine thoughts but sht ones and with no intent to cause issues.
But this sht over and over again is beyond ridiculous. |  |
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| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:39 - Sep 23 with 902 views | Bobbychase |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:31 - Sep 23 by darkhorse28 |
Wow, I mean he’s right, you can’t judge four games. But you can judge 44!!
Another who seems to have revised last season, and £150 million spent, multiple seasoned internationals signed, to a figment of imaginations.
All because it doesn’t fit his own emotional investment. In something which long since stopped being form or a blip.
I’m sure this group will come together, but the flaws will remain.., and apologists like Stuart are doing serious harm to the club long term.
When we needed agency, accountability and scrutiny, they provided parroting, inertia and looked the other way.
We spent £200 million, in that context even if we do well at this level, it’s really poor, anything. It elite, the recruitment has no context to our shame or leadership traits, and we lack a basic desire to compete.
There were two teams, playing in the same conditions, one wanted to win more the other.
That’s not a free pass. It’s damning. It’s instructive. Guess what. In our remaining 40 games many will be oamhed through a UK winter with the wrong type of rain.
It’s instructive of a group who are the opposite to 23/24.
They genuinely thrived in adversity, welcomed it, embraced the challenge.
This group, one or three of them pull out of tackles and don’t fancy it when it’s tough, at its worst, and I’m sorry, but that what this league is, if you can’t do that, you can’t be successful.
And that’s on McKenna 100% - selecting footballers, playing across the back in those conditions.
They won a red card with a 30 yard straight ball !!
We were trying to play through Jens.., who can’t do this Nast half as well as Nunez can.
Piss poor revisionism from Stuart and all the media, including in here.
It’s way off what journalism should be.., it’s index my job and my career to that of Mark Ashton and prey.
It doesn’t work…, Sheff Utd was the outlier and we didn’t even play well then - poor first half. Quality da ed the day.
When 44 games are dismissed and 3 or 4 are clung on to for deer life, YOU are the problem.
That’s not support. Go and join a cult and worship that. |
Which is your favourite stand at Carrow Road. Barclay or River end? Or do you like that new one opposite the dugouts. The one made of Meccano |  |
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| Need 7 points from next three on 10:40 - Sep 23 with 863 views | unstableblue |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 09:58 - Sep 23 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Next 3 games seem huge. A very winnable home game, a tough away game and the Derby.
Win on Saturday and technically it is back to back wins. Probably take a point at Bristol and then the Derby game is massive. A win against them will galvanise the whole club and fanbase. |
None of them are MUST win.. although wouldn't a derby win give us all a massive boost, and really kick the season into gear and further cement the bond between fans and new players.
But Pompey (H), Bristol C (a), Norwich (h) just feels like a minimum of 7 points, or further questions will be raised and the gap to the top 2 maintained. |  |
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| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:45 - Sep 23 with 818 views | Steve_M |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:38 - Sep 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Now It's ironic me of all people saying this
But fken ell. How much longer does this board need to put up with this tripe.
At least my negatives were genuine thoughts but sht ones and with no intent to cause issues.
But this sht over and over again is beyond ridiculous. |
"At least my negatives were genuine thoughts but sht ones"
That is a classic lime Frimmers!
The basic point is that posting the same thing endless or desperately seeking attention with multiple posts is intensely boring to everyone else - it's why your current iteration is so much more preferable, I agree with you on some things, less so on others and that's just normal conversation. |  |
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| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:47 - Sep 23 with 801 views | Smoresy |
Phil's very good too lol! With Brenner on BBC comms as well we're quite spoilt in that area perhaps, though I'll admit to not subscribing to the EADT and not listening to Radio Suffolk.
I agree with his measured response, which leaves very open the direction of travel from here. Will we continue to look like a talented group of players, collectively finding their feet, for many games to come or will we make quick strides forward? The latter feels essential to mounting a top two challenge but maybe there's more time available than recently seen, with the relegated sides struggling to impose themselves like in previous seasons. | | | |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:48 - Sep 23 with 784 views | SitfcB |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:38 - Sep 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Now It's ironic me of all people saying this
But fken ell. How much longer does this board need to put up with this tripe.
At least my negatives were genuine thoughts but sht ones and with no intent to cause issues.
But this sht over and over again is beyond ridiculous. |
He’s definitely Elephant in the room isn’t he? | |
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| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:54 - Sep 23 with 713 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:48 - Sep 23 by SitfcB |
He’s definitely Elephant in the room isn’t he? |
Got to be if not its scary there's two of them. | |
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| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 11:03 - Sep 23 with 648 views | Guthrum |
| Stuart Watson: the voice of reason on 10:33 - Sep 23 by darkhorse28 |
I’ve made my mind up over Mark Ashtons 35 year career, not 1 game.
Which is more ‘balanced’?
McKenna is a great coach, adjusted for age etc, it’s looking like he’s far from a great manager, but with the resources, he wouldn’t need to be to have a great season.
I’ve never said we can’t be relatively successful, and there’s huge talent in the group.
I’ve said for a long while, this isn’t elite, this isn’t progress, this isn’t a strategy and vision for long term success.
And all I get back is drivel. Personal attacks avoiding all the points, revisionism pretending last year didn’t happen or like you and Stuart, 1 game is instructive, 44 games are NOT.
You can’t make it make sense, because it’s devoid of logic, it’s pure emotion form people who indexed their self esteem not to the club, but to two employees.
The club was more important. The consequences too severe.
It’s £200 million - consequences. Once the parachute money is gone let me know how you service the liabilities, no wonder we have so many loans.., no money, no squad if we aren’t promoted.., and all you care about is ego, validation, not dating what you think in case it’s not popular.
I’ll be candid. It’s sad. The club needs voices, leadership, direction, not apathy, pretending 44 games don’t count and second to a really poor Plymouth - as measured over the subsequent 2 seasons, in the third division, is as good as it gets.
We’re better than that.
It’s like some of you want Morecambe every week just for the ‘win’
Have some ambition.
One question fascinates me.., can McKenna ever justify his champions league contract, during its length?
Tell how that’s possible. Or how we ever put the club in that position, after ONE fantastic, generational season in the EFL.
It’s the lack of difficult decision making and vacuum of leadership we’ve exhibited under Mark, and what typified his entire 35 years in the game.
Good.., but miles off elite.
It would have been REALLY hard to let McKenna go, but there’s a reason nobody else would pay him that, because as he proved, he’s not anywhere near that level. Maybe one day.., maybe not.., but a huge risk ., and it has already failed.
It looks every inch that Sam, Mass, Chaplin, Burgess deserved more credit than they ever got - McKenna, probably a little less.
You can coach systems, tactics, even quality to a degree.., you can’t coach desire, will to win.
That’s what we lack - we aren’t losing games through lack of ability, or even tactics, it’s through not having the will to win.., and players that have it, like Nunez - get splinters in conditions like a swimming pool, in favour of pure footballer Jens.
Even Pep and Arteta have completely moved away form that style, far more diverse, direct, flexible.
We have a double pivot.
If it doesn’t work.., more double pivot.., if that fails.., a bit more of the double pivot.
Sorry. We’ve been worked out.., McKenna has one style.., and Sam who could take the ball with 5 Rottweilers at his heels, and retain possession, isn’t here to make it work.
Some of our successs was in spite of McKenna not because off.., sorry that makes you feel bad, personally I think the clubs future is FAR more importnst than how you and Stuart and Phil for that matter feel.
It’s time to adult. We’ll win at the weekend, but every result at this level papers over the cracks.
How are Leeds, Burnley, Sunderland getting on spending less than we did??
Let me guess.., wrong type of rain.
It’s pathetic. |
So it's Mark Ashton you don't like? Been following him since West Brom, from what you've just said. Nothing to do with Ipswich at all, just the same beefs as on that Bristol forum thread.
Were you around here for the command vacuum of the Evans era? That was as night is to day compared with what Ashton, Gamechanger et al and McKenna (plus the whole, changing roster of players since 2021) have achieved. Sure, there might have been less corporate speak, but there was also a lot less positive action.
As for the money, we have spent a fair bit. But brought in much more, with increased commercial revenue (filling the ground, selling shirts), transfer fees, actually getting a season's worth of Prem income, then the benefit of parachute payments, serious levels of investment. D'you see why people here are not freaking out over it?
Many of us are old enough to have seen several ups and downs in the fortunes of Ipswich Town. There is a lot of memory and tradition passed down at this club. Our event horizon is way before August 2024, or even June 2021. [Post edited 23 Sep 11:11]
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