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What's the point in the economy growing at the cost of destroying the planet, if the only people who get wealthier are the billionaires and the people who have the least suffer the worst effects of climate change?
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Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 10:37 - Oct 17 with 1490 views
He’s slick and seems to be making some inroads in the polls (fwiw at this time). He’s a threat to people with power and money, so I expect he’ll get smeared to crap as time goes on.
It’s a good video and we desperately need more hopeful voices in politics. I suspect it will mean different things to different people though. Anyone for unity and togetherness should like it, anyone who agreed with Jenrick will see it as proving his point.
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 10:37 - Oct 17 by Swansea_Blue
He’s slick and seems to be making some inroads in the polls (fwiw at this time). He’s a threat to people with power and money, so I expect he’ll get smeared to crap as time goes on.
It’s a good video and we desperately need more hopeful voices in politics. I suspect it will mean different things to different people though. Anyone for unity and togetherness should like it, anyone who agreed with Jenrick will see it as proving his point.
It's going to appeal to people who already like him.
It's not going to do much for others.
In a world where personality is such a big part of politics he's simply not going to be a threat. Like Ed Davey, it's very hard to take him seriously. I'm sure they will break records with him leading them but what will that be? 10-15 seats?
Our only hope is someone from Labour steps up to counter Farage. If not, he's our next PM.
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 10:37 - Oct 17 by Swansea_Blue
He’s slick and seems to be making some inroads in the polls (fwiw at this time). He’s a threat to people with power and money, so I expect he’ll get smeared to crap as time goes on.
It’s a good video and we desperately need more hopeful voices in politics. I suspect it will mean different things to different people though. Anyone for unity and togetherness should like it, anyone who agreed with Jenrick will see it as proving his point.
Jenrick going around streets of well constructed, brick built, terrace houses that have lasted 150 years and describing them as "slums" tells us that he has never been in streets with Victorian terraces before.
They were built in "The Golden Age of Empires" that the likes of Jenrick and Farage want to hark back to, when the population in the area was almost completely White people who had been born in the British Isles.
If they are slums now, when most will have been upgraded with indoor toilets and bathrooms, central heating and double glazing, then the majority lived in slums at the peak of the Empire, and it was only the ruling elite who didn't.
And that is the Golden Age that they want us to return to.
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Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 11:09 - Oct 17 with 1307 views
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 10:49 - Oct 17 by J2BLUE
It's going to appeal to people who already like him.
It's not going to do much for others.
In a world where personality is such a big part of politics he's simply not going to be a threat. Like Ed Davey, it's very hard to take him seriously. I'm sure they will break records with him leading them but what will that be? 10-15 seats?
Our only hope is someone from Labour steps up to counter Farage. If not, he's our next PM.
But this is where he’ll have the biggest impact because no, he’s not going to be the next PM, but if they can keep growing their numbers then it should help to drag labour to left to try and counter the threat. The threat of reform has dragged all of the main political parties to the right and is why we see Starmer effectively enacting Tory / reform policies and leaning into their rhetoric. A strong, progressive, left wing option can have the same effect by dragging parties to the left. It’s long long overdue and incredibly important to the political landscape in this country.
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Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 11:09 - Oct 17 with 1300 views
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 10:49 - Oct 17 by J2BLUE
It's going to appeal to people who already like him.
It's not going to do much for others.
In a world where personality is such a big part of politics he's simply not going to be a threat. Like Ed Davey, it's very hard to take him seriously. I'm sure they will break records with him leading them but what will that be? 10-15 seats?
Our only hope is someone from Labour steps up to counter Farage. If not, he's our next PM.
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 10:49 - Oct 17 by J2BLUE
It's going to appeal to people who already like him.
It's not going to do much for others.
In a world where personality is such a big part of politics he's simply not going to be a threat. Like Ed Davey, it's very hard to take him seriously. I'm sure they will break records with him leading them but what will that be? 10-15 seats?
Our only hope is someone from Labour steps up to counter Farage. If not, he's our next PM.
What the country needs is a Labour leader who doesn’t care about mimicking Reform or offending their supporters (who in the main will never vote for Labour). Someone who will take on Farage in argument but with flair. Unfortunately Starmer is the right man but at the wrong time.
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Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 11:25 - Oct 17 with 1252 views
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 10:49 - Oct 17 by J2BLUE
It's going to appeal to people who already like him.
It's not going to do much for others.
In a world where personality is such a big part of politics he's simply not going to be a threat. Like Ed Davey, it's very hard to take him seriously. I'm sure they will break records with him leading them but what will that be? 10-15 seats?
Our only hope is someone from Labour steps up to counter Farage. If not, he's our next PM.
Did you see the Election Broadcast the Libs made, in which Ed Davey spoke about the reality of life for families caring for disabled people?
The video is at the top of that article, and is then discussed.
I found it moving and genuine.
Yes, he does the "Hook a duck", "Pass the Parcel", "Musical Chairs" stunts (because he knows that otherwise he would get zero coverage in an Election, but did manage to find a strong visual image that highlighted each of his campaign priorities.
Those of us who consider ourselves progressives can't decry Starmer for lack of conviction and practical policy that puts ordinary people first, and then reject Polanski and Davey out of hand for not being serious contenders.
Farage came from being a very marginal figure to the current favourite to win the next Election based on clearly communicated conviction politics.
(Farage also has the ability to answer any question directly and in two sentences, which so few of the post-Blair careerists do. It is a very impressive skill. Progressive parties need to identify those from within their ranks who have similar abilities in direct, no bullsheet, communication.)
I'm close to going all in on the Greens. I have friends who are Green Councillors, and they have achieved that, massively against the odds, through incredibly strong local environmental protection campaigns and getting out there and leading community litter picks every week, for years.
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 11:09 - Oct 17 by wrightsrightglove
But this is where he’ll have the biggest impact because no, he’s not going to be the next PM, but if they can keep growing their numbers then it should help to drag labour to left to try and counter the threat. The threat of reform has dragged all of the main political parties to the right and is why we see Starmer effectively enacting Tory / reform policies and leaning into their rhetoric. A strong, progressive, left wing option can have the same effect by dragging parties to the left. It’s long long overdue and incredibly important to the political landscape in this country.
I think they are more likely to go further to the right to counter Reform rather than worry about the much smaller thorn in their site. Let him battle it out with Corbyn for the purist vote.
Before I ask this next question I would like to make it clear I am no Reform fan. I won't vote for them and I would vote for any party (possibly except 'Your Party') if they had the best chance of beating Reform in the constituency I live. I have to ask though, what if the majority of the country leans to the right at the moment? What if people want less immigration (regardless of reason) and would prefer a centre right government tackling some of the issues in a more moderate way than Farage? What if the majority of people don't want an increasingly multicultural society? Or they are socially conservative rather than liberal?
Sorry to fire all these questions at you specifically. Anyone can answer obviously. I ask because it seems on here there is the belief that most people really want a left wing government and if not they are either thick, deceived or racist.
I'll explain why I ask in a bit. For now, my employer is taking the liberty of expecting me to work.
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 11:27 - Oct 17 by J2BLUE
I think they are more likely to go further to the right to counter Reform rather than worry about the much smaller thorn in their site. Let him battle it out with Corbyn for the purist vote.
Before I ask this next question I would like to make it clear I am no Reform fan. I won't vote for them and I would vote for any party (possibly except 'Your Party') if they had the best chance of beating Reform in the constituency I live. I have to ask though, what if the majority of the country leans to the right at the moment? What if people want less immigration (regardless of reason) and would prefer a centre right government tackling some of the issues in a more moderate way than Farage? What if the majority of people don't want an increasingly multicultural society? Or they are socially conservative rather than liberal?
Sorry to fire all these questions at you specifically. Anyone can answer obviously. I ask because it seems on here there is the belief that most people really want a left wing government and if not they are either thick, deceived or racist.
I'll explain why I ask in a bit. For now, my employer is taking the liberty of expecting me to work.
I believe that most people want a harmonious society.
They don't want division.
They don't want riots.
They want fairness.
It's easy to stoke division, which can then lead to riots.
Is it the people protesting outside the Asylum Hotels who cause the riots? If they weren't there, there wouldn't be the violence.
Is it the counter protestors outside the Asylum Hotels who cause the riots? If they weren't there, there wouldn't be the violence.
Is it the Asylum Seekers inside the Asylum Hotels who cause the riots? If they weren't there, there wouldn't be the violence.
Maybe it was the people who stoked division who caused the riots. Maybe there is a direct connection between their finger pointing and the violence. Maybe there is a direct connection between years of Tory austerity and the rise of a white underclass, which then leads to feelings of unfairness. Maybe it was the failure to protect vulnerable girls who were exploited by grooming gangs. Was this caused by anti-racist multicultural ideology in Social Work? Or by years of grinding cuts to Social Services? Or the deliberate destruction of local authority Youth Work by Cameron and Gove?
Or is it the fault of billionaires who have tweaked algorithms and pushed divisive and misleading messages into people's eyeballs?
Or is it the fault of careerist politicians who only ever play the cards the latest focus group tells them to play and never tackle long term issues with good, but expensive, policy change that will only pay off in the long term?
It's probably a bit of all of the above.
But British people don't want to live in a divided society, and do want to live in a fair society.
I would start by finding ways for Asylum Seekers to contribute to the country that is giving them board and lodging. Mandatory community engagement projects. Maybe two tiers of support payments- the higher for those.who engage and contribute.
Then I would invest in speeding up the process.
And work to improve things with the French Government so that we can stop the horrific spectacle of overcrowded dhingies and toddlers washed up on beaches.
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Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 11:58 - Oct 17 with 1142 views
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 10:36 - Oct 17 by ArnoldMoorhen
What's the point in the economy growing at the cost of destroying the planet, if the only people who get wealthier are the billionaires and the people who have the least suffer the worst effects of climate change?
Best you ask the rest of the world then because everyone else is disregarding net zero . China is selling us solar panels and wind turbines. Industrialising massively. Our government does everything to appease China. Imports gas which has to be shipped or piped in, along with buying oil, again having to be shipped in. So where is that helping the planet ? Shortly all these nations meet in Brazil for another climate meeting. Milliband spends all his time flying here and there. Starmer is always flying somewhere. Do they not consider using video links or whatever. Once we reach net zero where do we go then. Will the weather stop coming via the Jet Stream or the heat from Africa or is Milliband building a huge wall to stop it. Yes everyone needs to do their part, but we contribute to 1%, possibly now 0.8% of global warming. If Countries like China, America and India do nothing then we will still be where we are even with Britain at net zero. The only way people survive is by earning money to buy food and goods. That means farming and Industry. The best way is to make these as efficient as possible. To produce as much of what is needed in your own Country so as not to have to ship or fly it half way around the world.
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Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 12:06 - Oct 17 with 1088 views
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 11:23 - Oct 17 by MattinLondon
What the country needs is a Labour leader who doesn’t care about mimicking Reform or offending their supporters (who in the main will never vote for Labour). Someone who will take on Farage in argument but with flair. Unfortunately Starmer is the right man but at the wrong time.
It isn't a level playing field, however.
Farage can say whatever he likes. He has no track record of success or failure (other than as an outside disruptor) upon which to be judged. Those inclined towards him will not question any of his statements, plus he suppresses/expels any colleagues who publicly disagree.
Starmer has to operate in the real world. Attempting to improve people's lives frequently doesn't work out. Even his own party are constantly "holding him to account", let alone an often hostile (or story-seeking) media. Attempting to curb internal party rivals results in public ructions and embarrassment. Plus he's busy trying to run the country and manage international affairs, not just swanning around as an absentee MP.
The latter has his hands tied, the former virtually a free pass. Starmer is expected to play by the rules, Farage (like Trump) not. That's quite apart from the fact that rhetoric has very little effect upon those deeply into identity politics. Indeed, the stronger it is, the more likely to drive them into a resentful entrenchment.
How does he challenge them in any effective way under these circumstances?
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 11:54 - Oct 17 by ArnoldMoorhen
I believe that most people want a harmonious society.
They don't want division.
They don't want riots.
They want fairness.
It's easy to stoke division, which can then lead to riots.
Is it the people protesting outside the Asylum Hotels who cause the riots? If they weren't there, there wouldn't be the violence.
Is it the counter protestors outside the Asylum Hotels who cause the riots? If they weren't there, there wouldn't be the violence.
Is it the Asylum Seekers inside the Asylum Hotels who cause the riots? If they weren't there, there wouldn't be the violence.
Maybe it was the people who stoked division who caused the riots. Maybe there is a direct connection between their finger pointing and the violence. Maybe there is a direct connection between years of Tory austerity and the rise of a white underclass, which then leads to feelings of unfairness. Maybe it was the failure to protect vulnerable girls who were exploited by grooming gangs. Was this caused by anti-racist multicultural ideology in Social Work? Or by years of grinding cuts to Social Services? Or the deliberate destruction of local authority Youth Work by Cameron and Gove?
Or is it the fault of billionaires who have tweaked algorithms and pushed divisive and misleading messages into people's eyeballs?
Or is it the fault of careerist politicians who only ever play the cards the latest focus group tells them to play and never tackle long term issues with good, but expensive, policy change that will only pay off in the long term?
It's probably a bit of all of the above.
But British people don't want to live in a divided society, and do want to live in a fair society.
I would start by finding ways for Asylum Seekers to contribute to the country that is giving them board and lodging. Mandatory community engagement projects. Maybe two tiers of support payments- the higher for those.who engage and contribute.
Then I would invest in speeding up the process.
And work to improve things with the French Government so that we can stop the horrific spectacle of overcrowded dhingies and toddlers washed up on beaches.
Simpler than that, a lot of it comes down to 45 years of overblown promises of ease, comfort and prosperity, inevitably unrealised*, combined with the need to deflect blame from those who said those things (including their political successors) and those who have managed to accumulate during that time.
Immigrants, the poor, the unemployed, foreigners, the EU - anybody but silver-tongued vote-chasers and media-owning corporate raiders.
* At least to the level imagined. These are people (or the children of people) brought up on White Heat Of Technology science fiction whereby humanity lives a life of leisure served by machines. Which has partially come to pass, but not in the same way - or to the same extent - everybody thought.
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 12:06 - Oct 17 by Guthrum
It isn't a level playing field, however.
Farage can say whatever he likes. He has no track record of success or failure (other than as an outside disruptor) upon which to be judged. Those inclined towards him will not question any of his statements, plus he suppresses/expels any colleagues who publicly disagree.
Starmer has to operate in the real world. Attempting to improve people's lives frequently doesn't work out. Even his own party are constantly "holding him to account", let alone an often hostile (or story-seeking) media. Attempting to curb internal party rivals results in public ructions and embarrassment. Plus he's busy trying to run the country and manage international affairs, not just swanning around as an absentee MP.
The latter has his hands tied, the former virtually a free pass. Starmer is expected to play by the rules, Farage (like Trump) not. That's quite apart from the fact that rhetoric has very little effect upon those deeply into identity politics. Indeed, the stronger it is, the more likely to drive them into a resentful entrenchment.
How does he challenge them in any effective way under these circumstances?
I don't know, Brexit was his baby, and whilst he wasn't in Government, he was the architect of it.
If that's one small sample of what he's achieved, then anyone voting for this charlatan is stark raving bonkers.
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 12:38 - Oct 17 by hype313
I don't know, Brexit was his baby, and whilst he wasn't in Government, he was the architect of it.
If that's one small sample of what he's achieved, then anyone voting for this charlatan is stark raving bonkers.
Also, any time his parties have had electoral success they've shown themselves to be useless, lazy, and interested only in getting their snouts in the trough. Farage is currently paid to be an MP and he must be one of the most absent out there, both in his constituency and in Westminster. None of the councils Reform won in the local elections have exactly got off to a glowing start.
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 12:38 - Oct 17 by hype313
I don't know, Brexit was his baby, and whilst he wasn't in Government, he was the architect of it.
If that's one small sample of what he's achieved, then anyone voting for this charlatan is stark raving bonkers.
Because he was only the conceptual artist of Brexit ("architect" implies a level of detailed planning beyond what was actually provided), he can - and does - always point to May and Johnson not having done it properly. Thus deflecting blame for its failures.
The councils are, as yet, on too small and local a scale to have much impact.
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 11:58 - Oct 17 by OldFart71
Best you ask the rest of the world then because everyone else is disregarding net zero . China is selling us solar panels and wind turbines. Industrialising massively. Our government does everything to appease China. Imports gas which has to be shipped or piped in, along with buying oil, again having to be shipped in. So where is that helping the planet ? Shortly all these nations meet in Brazil for another climate meeting. Milliband spends all his time flying here and there. Starmer is always flying somewhere. Do they not consider using video links or whatever. Once we reach net zero where do we go then. Will the weather stop coming via the Jet Stream or the heat from Africa or is Milliband building a huge wall to stop it. Yes everyone needs to do their part, but we contribute to 1%, possibly now 0.8% of global warming. If Countries like China, America and India do nothing then we will still be where we are even with Britain at net zero. The only way people survive is by earning money to buy food and goods. That means farming and Industry. The best way is to make these as efficient as possible. To produce as much of what is needed in your own Country so as not to have to ship or fly it half way around the world.
China is doing a vast amount to convert from hydrocarbon to renewable energy resources - largely driven by that very desire for energy security you mention. They may not call it Net Zero, or be doing it for overtly ecological reasons, but it's something they are working towards.
It's only really the USA who aren't and that is driven by ideology* - wanting to resurrect historical mining and industry in Republican-voting regions - not even economics.
* Edit: Even ideology is wrong. Pure vote-chasing, really. Plus a bit of very short-term cashing in.
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 11:58 - Oct 17 by OldFart71
Best you ask the rest of the world then because everyone else is disregarding net zero . China is selling us solar panels and wind turbines. Industrialising massively. Our government does everything to appease China. Imports gas which has to be shipped or piped in, along with buying oil, again having to be shipped in. So where is that helping the planet ? Shortly all these nations meet in Brazil for another climate meeting. Milliband spends all his time flying here and there. Starmer is always flying somewhere. Do they not consider using video links or whatever. Once we reach net zero where do we go then. Will the weather stop coming via the Jet Stream or the heat from Africa or is Milliband building a huge wall to stop it. Yes everyone needs to do their part, but we contribute to 1%, possibly now 0.8% of global warming. If Countries like China, America and India do nothing then we will still be where we are even with Britain at net zero. The only way people survive is by earning money to buy food and goods. That means farming and Industry. The best way is to make these as efficient as possible. To produce as much of what is needed in your own Country so as not to have to ship or fly it half way around the world.
As an aside, the U.K. could be food secure, but on a plant based diet.
Hopefully, you will consider supporting the move to the U.K. being self sufficient, by moving to a plant based diet yourself.
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Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 13:28 - Oct 17 with 768 views
And here you all are applauding Polanski - the man who spent time persuading women he could enlarge their breasts by hypnotism. He wants to ban economic growth. He wants to get rid of the armed forces and replace them with a peace corps (worked really wellwith the 'Jesus Army') He wants a communist economy
He is a complete lunatic
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Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 13:31 - Oct 17 with 732 views
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 13:28 - Oct 17 by HotShotHamish
And here you all are applauding Polanski - the man who spent time persuading women he could enlarge their breasts by hypnotism. He wants to ban economic growth. He wants to get rid of the armed forces and replace them with a peace corps (worked really wellwith the 'Jesus Army') He wants a communist economy
He is a complete lunatic
Fair enough Nigel
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Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 13:49 - Oct 17 with 666 views
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 13:31 - Oct 17 by leitrimblue
Fair enough Nigel
You can tell when they don’t like it up them, they get all smeary.
“I don't mind things growing as long as it’s within ecological boundaries.
“I think if a market wants to make sure that they're making more money, that's all fine. That shouldn't be the focus, though, of a government - and that shouldn't be the focus of our politicians and parliament when we're thinking about health and wellbeing.”
Polanski said ministers should be more aware of the depletion of natural resources, insisting that, “you must improve people's lives and protect nature. We live in one of the most nature depleted countries in the world, but not go down this absurd route of saying economic growth at all costs.“
It was also one of the things I like about John Prescott back in the day. He thought just measuring GDP as a metric of success wasn’t really that helpful. GDP can grow, whilst life gets worse for large parts of the population.
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Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 14:09 - Oct 17 with 579 views
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 13:28 - Oct 17 by HotShotHamish
And here you all are applauding Polanski - the man who spent time persuading women he could enlarge their breasts by hypnotism. He wants to ban economic growth. He wants to get rid of the armed forces and replace them with a peace corps (worked really wellwith the 'Jesus Army') He wants a communist economy
He is a complete lunatic
I'll maybe take your opinion on the greens with a pinch of salt given last time I saw you post Hamish, it was claiming that the Tories had improved the quality of water in our rivers...
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 10:49 - Oct 17 by J2BLUE
It's going to appeal to people who already like him.
It's not going to do much for others.
In a world where personality is such a big part of politics he's simply not going to be a threat. Like Ed Davey, it's very hard to take him seriously. I'm sure they will break records with him leading them but what will that be? 10-15 seats?
Our only hope is someone from Labour steps up to counter Farage. If not, he's our next PM.
In a world where personality is such a big part of politics he's simply not going to be a threat. ?? But he is full of personality so not sure what you are saying there More like a world that is surging right with the lessons 0f the 1930s forgotten Ed Davey has 50 odd seats All non reform and non right tories must vote tactically under FPTP to keep out the ogre that is Farage
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Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 14:29 - Oct 17 with 513 views
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 13:28 - Oct 17 by HotShotHamish
And here you all are applauding Polanski - the man who spent time persuading women he could enlarge their breasts by hypnotism. He wants to ban economic growth. He wants to get rid of the armed forces and replace them with a peace corps (worked really wellwith the 'Jesus Army') He wants a communist economy
He is a complete lunatic
I don't think someone who supports Farage(who promised everyone a unicorn if we left the EU) is any position to mock others for supporting politicians offering ambitious things.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Zephaniah's vs Jenrick's view..... on 11:27 - Oct 17 by J2BLUE
I think they are more likely to go further to the right to counter Reform rather than worry about the much smaller thorn in their site. Let him battle it out with Corbyn for the purist vote.
Before I ask this next question I would like to make it clear I am no Reform fan. I won't vote for them and I would vote for any party (possibly except 'Your Party') if they had the best chance of beating Reform in the constituency I live. I have to ask though, what if the majority of the country leans to the right at the moment? What if people want less immigration (regardless of reason) and would prefer a centre right government tackling some of the issues in a more moderate way than Farage? What if the majority of people don't want an increasingly multicultural society? Or they are socially conservative rather than liberal?
Sorry to fire all these questions at you specifically. Anyone can answer obviously. I ask because it seems on here there is the belief that most people really want a left wing government and if not they are either thick, deceived or racist.
I'll explain why I ask in a bit. For now, my employer is taking the liberty of expecting me to work.
the next election will primarily be decided by 3 things: do people feel wealthier after tax; is the nhs visibly improved; has immigration been substantially reduced in particular the illegal element. avoiding scandals, cock ups, and random incompetence would also help. most people aren't really interested in politics beyond that. the tribal political issues which drive committed people on either wing don't really swing the bit of the electorate which changes its vote from one election to the next. left and right isn't part of the story most voters tell themselves about themselves when they vote. political debate is dominated by loud shouty committed people at either extreme - it is entirely unrepresentative of the electorate, particularly swing voters, and focusing on the views of the loud shouty people is a certain recipe to lose.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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