| Dara O’Shea 10:21 - Oct 22 with 3225 views | The_Romford_Blue |
The most overrated footballer in the history of this club. And that first goal was the single worst bit of defending I’ve ever seen in my life. Absolutely schoolboy stuff from supposedly an experienced international.
His leadership or lack of is one of our fundamental problems as well |  |
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| Dara O’Shea on 10:40 - Oct 22 with 2435 views | FrimleyBlue |
yet still a better defender than the one he replaced. |  |
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| Dara O’Shea on 10:51 - Oct 22 with 2372 views | CaptainAhab |
So much hyperbole on this site this morning. |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 10:55 - Oct 22 with 2339 views | southnorfolkblue |
I can think of a more overrated one that played last night... | |
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| Dara O’Shea on 11:03 - Oct 22 with 2297 views | tractorshark |
That’s a rather sizeable over-reaction. I’ve sent plenty of over-rated defenders in 45 years of watching this club who were far worse than O’Shea.
You’re right, O’Shea was dreadful last night and poor again at Boro. It was a schoolboy error last night.
But you have to remember he was close to being Player of the Year last season and, even though it was a rough year, he did do well.
Fans will say we should have kept Woolfy and it was sad to see him go.
But do we actually miss him, realistically, would he be the answer? His game-time at Coventry suggests probably not.
Players get better in the eyes of fans, the more they’re not playing. And Woolfenden was more than capable of making mistakes.
If we’re looking at who we’re genuinely missing, then I’d have Burgess over Woolfenden. We have most definitely downgraded there.
Whether O’Shea is a leader, you may well have a point. He certainly shouldn’t be undroppable just because he’s captain.
Who would take over, though, is very debatable. Davis isn’t vocal, Matusiwa is still learning the Championship and I can’t see any other realistic candidate who would play week in week out. | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 11:06 - Oct 22 with 2265 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Dara O’Shea on 11:03 - Oct 22 by tractorshark |
That’s a rather sizeable over-reaction. I’ve sent plenty of over-rated defenders in 45 years of watching this club who were far worse than O’Shea.
You’re right, O’Shea was dreadful last night and poor again at Boro. It was a schoolboy error last night.
But you have to remember he was close to being Player of the Year last season and, even though it was a rough year, he did do well.
Fans will say we should have kept Woolfy and it was sad to see him go.
But do we actually miss him, realistically, would he be the answer? His game-time at Coventry suggests probably not.
Players get better in the eyes of fans, the more they’re not playing. And Woolfenden was more than capable of making mistakes.
If we’re looking at who we’re genuinely missing, then I’d have Burgess over Woolfenden. We have most definitely downgraded there.
Whether O’Shea is a leader, you may well have a point. He certainly shouldn’t be undroppable just because he’s captain.
Who would take over, though, is very debatable. Davis isn’t vocal, Matusiwa is still learning the Championship and I can’t see any other realistic candidate who would play week in week out. |
O shea has been the one constant in eighteen months of poor defending. He may have good stats but the stats don't show when he's out of position, failing to organize, or ball watching. Two goals last night came from players eight yards our not being marked | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 11:10 - Oct 22 with 2220 views | pete81 |
| Dara O’Shea on 11:03 - Oct 22 by tractorshark |
That’s a rather sizeable over-reaction. I’ve sent plenty of over-rated defenders in 45 years of watching this club who were far worse than O’Shea.
You’re right, O’Shea was dreadful last night and poor again at Boro. It was a schoolboy error last night.
But you have to remember he was close to being Player of the Year last season and, even though it was a rough year, he did do well.
Fans will say we should have kept Woolfy and it was sad to see him go.
But do we actually miss him, realistically, would he be the answer? His game-time at Coventry suggests probably not.
Players get better in the eyes of fans, the more they’re not playing. And Woolfenden was more than capable of making mistakes.
If we’re looking at who we’re genuinely missing, then I’d have Burgess over Woolfenden. We have most definitely downgraded there.
Whether O’Shea is a leader, you may well have a point. He certainly shouldn’t be undroppable just because he’s captain.
Who would take over, though, is very debatable. Davis isn’t vocal, Matusiwa is still learning the Championship and I can’t see any other realistic candidate who would play week in week out. |
But two weeks ago he was getting all the love in for his "us and our people" pre match Norwich huddle.
Ha!
The fickle modern day fan.
Oh bring back the boys from 2 seasons ago... amazing as they were they didn't beat Naaarwich did they? |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 11:23 - Oct 22 with 2154 views | chantryblueboy |
| Dara O’Shea on 10:40 - Oct 22 by FrimleyBlue |
yet still a better defender than the one he replaced. |
🤣🤣🤣🤣 | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 11:24 - Oct 22 with 2146 views | chantryblueboy |
| Dara O’Shea on 11:10 - Oct 22 by pete81 |
But two weeks ago he was getting all the love in for his "us and our people" pre match Norwich huddle.
Ha!
The fickle modern day fan.
Oh bring back the boys from 2 seasons ago... amazing as they were they didn't beat Naaarwich did they? |
Should have stopped the season a couple of weeks ago if that’s the be all and end all then. They didn’t beat Norwich but got us promoted? | | | |
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| Dara O’Shea on 11:31 - Oct 22 with 2082 views | pete81 |
| Dara O’Shea on 11:24 - Oct 22 by chantryblueboy |
Should have stopped the season a couple of weeks ago if that’s the be all and end all then. They didn’t beat Norwich but got us promoted? |
Of course it isn't the be all and end all but Like I have said on another thread the bleating on about players that have gone is pointless. The team gave us all such great memories with the double promotion, loved them all but ultimately we now have owners who want us to stay in the prem and they wernt up to doing that. It was always going to change and it will happen again untill we strike gold and stabilise in the Premier league or until such time the owners do one and we go again. | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 11:36 - Oct 22 with 2027 views | waveneyblue |
Oh calm the fu*k down, he isnt, not even close.
Yes he was sh!te last night, but the over reaction seems to be gaining pace rather than calming down. |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 11:36 - Oct 22 with 2019 views | pointofblue |
| Dara O’Shea on 10:40 - Oct 22 by FrimleyBlue |
yet still a better defender than the one he replaced. |
Yes, we get to. Woolfenden was crap. How we got promoted with someone so dreadful and insignificant in our backline is something which should go down in folklore.
Seriously, you don't have to go for a cheap dig. Recently, you've been better then that. | |
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| Dara O’Shea on 11:39 - Oct 22 with 1961 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dara O’Shea on 11:36 - Oct 22 by pointofblue |
Yes, we get to. Woolfenden was crap. How we got promoted with someone so dreadful and insignificant in our backline is something which should go down in folklore.
Seriously, you don't have to go for a cheap dig. Recently, you've been better then that. |
I didn't go on about wolfy, just stating that Oshea is still better than the one he replaced. That's my opinion in response to the OP, not really to have a discussion about wolfy
Oshea may not be the best in the world, but he's still an upgrade.
We of course don't need to have this chat again, we've shared it many times lol | |
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| Dara O’Shea on 11:41 - Oct 22 with 1946 views | pointofblue |
| Dara O’Shea on 11:39 - Oct 22 by FrimleyBlue |
I didn't go on about wolfy, just stating that Oshea is still better than the one he replaced. That's my opinion in response to the OP, not really to have a discussion about wolfy
Oshea may not be the best in the world, but he's still an upgrade.
We of course don't need to have this chat again, we've shared it many times lol |
The irony of last night's performance - and specifically last night - is O'Shea was awful in the air and didn't seem to know what to do with players running at him. Which were key two attributes behind why he was brought in. | |
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| Dara O’Shea on 11:44 - Oct 22 with 1897 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dara O’Shea on 11:41 - Oct 22 by pointofblue |
The irony of last night's performance - and specifically last night - is O'Shea was awful in the air and didn't seem to know what to do with players running at him. Which were key two attributes behind why he was brought in. |
Yeah last night was extremely weird for oshea, he'll make errors, no doubt, but those last night were extremely concerning. | |
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| Dara O’Shea on 11:53 - Oct 22 with 1843 views | BlueOura |
Slightly OTT, although I agree that he is overrated.
He has been found wanting a number of times this season and with regards to your claim of the worst defending you have ever seen, i'd argue that his effort against Derby would be right up there challeging it.
He has been a hugely disappointing signing overall, I understand that we couldn't expect too much last season in the prem, but I really thought he would be an outstanding player at this level, sadly it seems not.
Also, I thought he was supposed to be quick? Getting destroyed by a bang average champ midfielder running at him yesterday was very concerning. |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 12:01 - Oct 22 with 1750 views | ringwoodblue |
I know it was in a different team but only a few weeks ago, DoS was defending against Portugal and only conceded one goal in injury time so he can’t be that bad.
I think that if Palmer was still on the pitch in the second half we wouldn’t have conceded at least one of the goals last night. Walton’s positioning was quite poor. |  |
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| Dara O’Shea on 12:05 - Oct 22 with 1713 views | mellowblue |
| Dara O’Shea on 11:10 - Oct 22 by pete81 |
But two weeks ago he was getting all the love in for his "us and our people" pre match Norwich huddle.
Ha!
The fickle modern day fan.
Oh bring back the boys from 2 seasons ago... amazing as they were they didn't beat Naaarwich did they? |
spot the difference. Talking the talk or walking the walk. Any fool can pump the fans up on Derby day. | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 12:05 - Oct 22 with 1707 views | MattinLondon |
I’m not sure I agree with your first sentence - actually I totally disagree with it.
But regardless of that, how do you measure a players ‘overratedness’. And I know that’s not a word but is it on fees or appearances or how many mistakes they make etc? |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 12:09 - Oct 22 with 1673 views | cressi |
I won't that far but him and greaves poor partnership hardly worth 30 million more than the players we already had in the building | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 12:17 - Oct 22 with 1606 views | pete81 |
| Dara O’Shea on 12:05 - Oct 22 by mellowblue |
spot the difference. Talking the talk or walking the walk. Any fool can pump the fans up on Derby day. |
Fair, was more of a bit back at the questionable leadership and counter example.... | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 14:07 - Oct 22 with 1208 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Dara O’Shea on 11:03 - Oct 22 by tractorshark |
That’s a rather sizeable over-reaction. I’ve sent plenty of over-rated defenders in 45 years of watching this club who were far worse than O’Shea.
You’re right, O’Shea was dreadful last night and poor again at Boro. It was a schoolboy error last night.
But you have to remember he was close to being Player of the Year last season and, even though it was a rough year, he did do well.
Fans will say we should have kept Woolfy and it was sad to see him go.
But do we actually miss him, realistically, would he be the answer? His game-time at Coventry suggests probably not.
Players get better in the eyes of fans, the more they’re not playing. And Woolfenden was more than capable of making mistakes.
If we’re looking at who we’re genuinely missing, then I’d have Burgess over Woolfenden. We have most definitely downgraded there.
Whether O’Shea is a leader, you may well have a point. He certainly shouldn’t be undroppable just because he’s captain.
Who would take over, though, is very debatable. Davis isn’t vocal, Matusiwa is still learning the Championship and I can’t see any other realistic candidate who would play week in week out. |
This is a balanced assessment of Dara O'Shea's contribution to the team. He clearly had a nightmare game last night but he is a good defender. The fact that he cost big money and replaced free agents / small money players does not change that. He is the best defender we currently have and is a good age to be there for a while ( unlike Young ). I don't see leadership in him as he can't even organise the defence. He is not in the 'heart on the sleeve' mould of Butcher or Chambers. He has gotten the captaincy role by default as there is no other suitable option in the regular players group. I would still take the captains role off him and let him concentrate on his primary role. So who would get the poison chalice? I personally like my captain to be in the backs but I don't see Leif being a Mick Mills. In my opinion there should be a bit of passion in a captain and a level of locality which raises the performance of the team. Matusiwa is probably the best long term option but would be grossly unfair to burden a new player into the club trying to learn his own role. Maybe someone like Szmodics might be an option as his personality would suit the role but he is not a regular. Ditto Chaplin. It's a shame we don't have a consistent goalkeeper as they tend to be older and more sensible ( Muric excluded! ). I would like to see more dynamism from McKenna to 'gee up' the players on the field. There seems to be an unnecessary facility to this team with the quality of the players in our squad. Maybe we do need to check the forearm size of players we bring in!! | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 14:09 - Oct 22 with 1201 views | football |
He isn't and had a bad day yesterday. His football abilities aside, I do have serious concerns over his leadership. He is too quiet on the pitch and just does not rally the troops a you would expect. At 1-0 and 2-0 he should be shouting at the players, bringing them together but nothing | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 14:16 - Oct 22 with 1137 views | Chris_ITFC |
Single worst bit of defending?
Not even our worst bit in the last week. Cedric OG Kipre says hi. |  |
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| Dara O’Shea on 14:26 - Oct 22 with 1061 views | itfcsuth |
I think that’s a bit extreme, he’s had some really difficult moments already this season, but over the course of his 18 months he’s show his qualities. |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 14:38 - Oct 22 with 964 views | DavoIPB |
He is a really good defender and got a lot right last night. However seemed to lose his head midway through second half, not sure why. He has absolutely no cover as well. It is literally him or him and Grieves as our defence sometimes against three attackers. Can't compare to Wolfy, O'Shea is head and shoulders ahead of Wolfy in positioning and strength. | | | |
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