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On Blue Monday Joe Fairs said we might have to stumble on something in terms of line up. Maybe he's right. There's no doubt Cajuste is aesthetically more pleasing than Taylor, but yesterday Taylor offered so much more of what we need alongside Matusiwa than we have seen from Cajuste (and Nunez for that matter) all season. With Szmodics and Akpom having to depart, might Nunez (actually I'd prefer Jack Clarke myself) get a run at No10? Similarly, I liked it that Walton didn't slow everything down as much as Palmer can do too. Stumble, stumble, stumble and ye shall find the recipe? Maybe Mr Fairs nailed it. Early days but hope Jack Taylor for one gets a bit of a run to see how it works.
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Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 10:08 - Oct 26 with 2724 views
Walton was often looking to get the ball forward quickly, but no Town player was looking for it, or ready. Instead, it was played in the much over coached fashion of “ patiently out from the back, boys, whatever the situation”. Far too limiting ….
I think if KM isn't going to be using taylor weekly. I do hope his performance however is a statement to others in that midfield role of exactly how much effort you have to put in.
Forgetting some misplaced passes. It happened to all. But he was everywhere yesterday.
Imo the reason we struggled on Friday and Tues was that off the ball running. Taylor didn't stop. I think there was maybe one issue with not coming onto a player who had a fair amount of space to get a shot in but I'm sure that will be pointed out.
A weekly spot.. I dont think he'll get it. But it defo showed the levels required in that role next to azor imo.
Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 10:20 - Oct 26 by FrimleyBlue
I think if KM isn't going to be using taylor weekly. I do hope his performance however is a statement to others in that midfield role of exactly how much effort you have to put in.
Forgetting some misplaced passes. It happened to all. But he was everywhere yesterday.
Imo the reason we struggled on Friday and Tues was that off the ball running. Taylor didn't stop. I think there was maybe one issue with not coming onto a player who had a fair amount of space to get a shot in but I'm sure that will be pointed out.
A weekly spot.. I dont think he'll get it. But it defo showed the levels required in that role next to azor imo.
Agree on the effort levels. A double pivot asks so much of the two players and I don't think Cajuste has offered enough of the gritty, ground coverage stuff myself. Maybe Taylor won't nail the spot long term but he has to play at QPR doesn't he?
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Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 10:27 - Oct 26 with 2553 views
Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 10:25 - Oct 26 by cbower
Agree on the effort levels. A double pivot asks so much of the two players and I don't think Cajuste has offered enough of the gritty, ground coverage stuff myself. Maybe Taylor won't nail the spot long term but he has to play at QPR doesn't he?
The thing is as much as I love cajuste. Yesterday at times on the left we had a trip of davis. Taylor philogene interchanging like the old days of luongo broady and Davis. Then we lost the ball. But suddenly taylor was picking it up on the left with davis still high.
It worked really well.
It's that thing again isn't it... the likes of cajuste. Nunez etc. Better In a three rather than a two perhaps.
Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 10:25 - Oct 26 by cbower
Agree on the effort levels. A double pivot asks so much of the two players and I don't think Cajuste has offered enough of the gritty, ground coverage stuff myself. Maybe Taylor won't nail the spot long term but he has to play at QPR doesn't he?
I do wonder if Cajuste was feeling his knee a bit, hence being left on the bench.
That said Jack Taylor did himself no harm at all yesterday.
Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 10:20 - Oct 26 by FrimleyBlue
I think if KM isn't going to be using taylor weekly. I do hope his performance however is a statement to others in that midfield role of exactly how much effort you have to put in.
Forgetting some misplaced passes. It happened to all. But he was everywhere yesterday.
Imo the reason we struggled on Friday and Tues was that off the ball running. Taylor didn't stop. I think there was maybe one issue with not coming onto a player who had a fair amount of space to get a shot in but I'm sure that will be pointed out.
A weekly spot.. I dont think he'll get it. But it defo showed the levels required in that role next to azor imo.
Spot on, I dont believe that Taylor is our 'best' midfielder however he showed everyone on the pitch how to put a shift in.
If he is our 4th best midfielder then our squad should be absolutely owning games. It just a shame sometimes our starters going missing.
Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 10:29 - Oct 26 by mutters
Spot on, I dont believe that Taylor is our 'best' midfielder however he showed everyone on the pitch how to put a shift in.
If he is our 4th best midfielder then our squad should be absolutely owning games. It just a shame sometimes our starters going missing.
Being the 'best' player is an individual thing and does not always equate to being the best fit for the team. Right now, that's where, in my opinion at least, Jens Cajuste is. Lovely player, technically far more gifted than Taylor (and indeed Matusiwa) but what he offers in a double pivot at least, isn't what is required. Taylor, nowhere near as talented but his performance yesterday was what the team balance needed.
Yeah, I think there's some truth in this, for all the thinking and meticulous planning KM puts in, yesterday being forced to put Nunez in the 10 was a real game changer, no pun intended. There's been a few of us calling for 4 3 3 and maybe putting Nunez as a nominal 10 is a good half way house between Kierans beloved 4 2 3 1 and 4 3 3. Without meaning to sound harsh, part of me does hope Akpom and SS will be out for a week or so with their knocks so McKenna is forced to play Nunez again.
On the other hand, it was him who decided to play Taylor and Kipre, and he who made the subs who won us the game so it's not as if he isn't proactively trying to find the solutions himself.
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Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 10:47 - Oct 26 with 2419 views
Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 10:25 - Oct 26 by cbower
Agree on the effort levels. A double pivot asks so much of the two players and I don't think Cajuste has offered enough of the gritty, ground coverage stuff myself. Maybe Taylor won't nail the spot long term but he has to play at QPR doesn't he?
Yes, Taylor has to start at QPR.
I think someone suggested this recently, and I think I might have pooh-poohed it (and might now be pooh-poohing my pooh-pooh, to quote General Melchett), but actually Cajuste could make a hell of a dangerous number 10, in certain circumstances.
I caveat by saying that I doubt he would really play there for us because he wouldn't be able to do the pressing for 60 minutes, but in terms of a player with the strength and defender-skinning capabilities he has, he would scare the life out of a centre back with little to no cover behind him. When he drops a shoulder and beats a CM there's another bank of four to beat, but if he was doing that on the last (or second last) man, that's a real threat.
If he's not starting, he could be very effective coming on there late in a game which is still quite open, maybe?
Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 11:09 - Oct 26 by NthQldITFC
Yes, Taylor has to start at QPR.
I think someone suggested this recently, and I think I might have pooh-poohed it (and might now be pooh-poohing my pooh-pooh, to quote General Melchett), but actually Cajuste could make a hell of a dangerous number 10, in certain circumstances.
I caveat by saying that I doubt he would really play there for us because he wouldn't be able to do the pressing for 60 minutes, but in terms of a player with the strength and defender-skinning capabilities he has, he would scare the life out of a centre back with little to no cover behind him. When he drops a shoulder and beats a CM there's another bank of four to beat, but if he was doing that on the last (or second last) man, that's a real threat.
If he's not starting, he could be very effective coming on there late in a game which is still quite open, maybe?
I really liked his performance yesterday. Couple of good breaks forward and the pass of the match to put Nunez in. He also knew when to keep it simple which is what Cajuste struggles with the most . We've seen this from him before but the problem has always been putting it together consistently so will have to wait and see.
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Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 11:38 - Oct 26 with 2147 views
The positive re Taylor yesterday was he received the ball early in the game where he only really had WBA players near him, and Instead of what our players normally do play back to a defender, he attacked the WBA defence. You could see that meant they moved a couple of players closer to him after that but that will create gaps in other areas for Town.
We saw on Tuesday how Charlton used that approach and it caused panic in the Town defence. We need more of that, than the constant passing backwards.
Obviously he needs to be consistent, which has been his issue. Although I have a feeling KM will revert back to Cajuste and Matusiwa for QPR.
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Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 11:51 - Oct 26 with 2066 views
Let's not forget Cajuste's contribution to the goal yesterday. He can definitely put his own shift in, he just does so in a calmer way. But Taylor did play well.
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Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 13:16 - Oct 26 with 1764 views
Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 11:09 - Oct 26 by NthQldITFC
Yes, Taylor has to start at QPR.
I think someone suggested this recently, and I think I might have pooh-poohed it (and might now be pooh-poohing my pooh-pooh, to quote General Melchett), but actually Cajuste could make a hell of a dangerous number 10, in certain circumstances.
I caveat by saying that I doubt he would really play there for us because he wouldn't be able to do the pressing for 60 minutes, but in terms of a player with the strength and defender-skinning capabilities he has, he would scare the life out of a centre back with little to no cover behind him. When he drops a shoulder and beats a CM there's another bank of four to beat, but if he was doing that on the last (or second last) man, that's a real threat.
If he's not starting, he could be very effective coming on there late in a game which is still quite open, maybe?
As long as you don't ignore the pooh-poohing of your pooh-poohing.
Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 10:46 - Oct 26 by cbower
Being the 'best' player is an individual thing and does not always equate to being the best fit for the team. Right now, that's where, in my opinion at least, Jens Cajuste is. Lovely player, technically far more gifted than Taylor (and indeed Matusiwa) but what he offers in a double pivot at least, isn't what is required. Taylor, nowhere near as talented but his performance yesterday was what the team balance needed.
I was delighted when Cajuste re-signed for this season. It was hard to judge him in the premier league but he looked like he could mix it. With more time to see him in a weaker league a few frailties are pretty evident.
When moving forward it’s a lack of end ball. Then when the ball if turned over up the pitch he lacks the athleticism to get back. (Impacted by his knee issues??)
In a more defensive posture he can win the ball well (some rangy slide tackles come to mind) but he often fails to track runners or dominate the defensive territory.
This system needs box to box. Well done Taylor. But I think we need someone else in the transfer market in Jan. And if we get them, I wonder if Jens will play much at all.
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Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 15:27 - Oct 26 with 1277 views
I agree about Walton, Taylor and Nunez. I think that then requires Humphreys in the picture as cover in midfield. I also wonder if there is a point at which Azon plays in place of Hirst.
I it does feel like keep swapping the ingredients until it works. When he first came here, it was a little bit like that, but the first thing that happened was the defence solidified and the players truly started playing for each other. After the Charlton away debacle, things just settled and players truly started to, as mick mills correctly put what was lacking the other week, play in pairs.
A big factor was the captaincy of Morsy. For those who’ve not seen him play live, it’s hard to underestimate the impact he has. You know who the captain is when he’s on the pitch and so do the players. Does the current captain do that? Well his little speech before the Norwich game was excellent, but does he drive the team? It’s an open question and not a criticism because I don’t know so cannot offer an opinion.
Back to the OP and the title, I’ve not always agreed with JF over the years, but his opinions are always worth listening to and he gets far more right than wrong, in my view.
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Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 15:48 - Oct 26 with 1172 views
Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 15:27 - Oct 26 by Nthsuffolkblue
I agree about Walton, Taylor and Nunez. I think that then requires Humphreys in the picture as cover in midfield. I also wonder if there is a point at which Azon plays in place of Hirst.
Hirst needs something to fall for him. He really should have at least 7 or 8 goals this season but his finishing has lacked crispness and confidence. His hold up playbis very hit and miss and he is far less physically impactful than I was expecting. He hasn't become a bad player but his form is not the best at the moment. Azon has been both unlucky and profligate too. Should've scored two yesterday, hit the woodwork twice and probably Should've scored midweek too. Could've been on 5 himself but is yet to score. He seems to offer more hustlexand bustle for sure but he's not exactly a sharpshooter either. At least there's competition.
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Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 17:20 - Oct 26 with 922 views
He had a very tidy game but bit surprised by some of the reaction to be honest. Don't agree that he was significantly better than what Cajuste and Nunez have shown - Nunez hasn't had much of a run out from the start to begin with, while Cajuste has become something of a boo boy now where people view him through the lens of their own negative perceptions rather than what he actually does.
Think Nunez's willingness to get on the ball and link things up works when he's further up the pitch, especially when we need someone to take the initiative a bit when teams are just sitting everyone behind the ball, though McKenna seemed to dismiss the idea somewhat post-match.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 17:20 - Oct 26 by LankHenners
He had a very tidy game but bit surprised by some of the reaction to be honest. Don't agree that he was significantly better than what Cajuste and Nunez have shown - Nunez hasn't had much of a run out from the start to begin with, while Cajuste has become something of a boo boy now where people view him through the lens of their own negative perceptions rather than what he actually does.
Think Nunez's willingness to get on the ball and link things up works when he's further up the pitch, especially when we need someone to take the initiative a bit when teams are just sitting everyone behind the ball, though McKenna seemed to dismiss the idea somewhat post-match.
Not true about cajuste
One of my favs from last year.
He's shown in stages this season a different level of ability with the ball but it's been on and off through most games. And off the ball especially towards our own box he's left our defence to pick up runners and hasn't busted a gut.. now he may not be able to..
But imo as said earlier taylor showed everything we need from the pivot partner.
If cajuste was able to do that for 60 plus minutes excellent but I dont think we've seen that ability yet this season.
I think alot has to be said about the lack of openings Brom had from out own attacks. We shut that problem out imo well reduced it to almost nothing. That doesn't happen without the two cms getting back and helping.
Cajuste will be fine. But I do wonder if indeed it's best for nunez and cajuste to rotate in that 10 role.
If the injuries to Sammy and akpom means this happens and it goes well. We may start to see humphreys involved too so he can rotate with tayls perhaps.
Finally got to see a heat map for taylor
Mentioned yesterday it was the most luongo performance I've seen since luongo. And imo this backs it up
Hats off to JT for his display yesterday but worth noting that Taylor-Matusiwa was the midfield partnership we started the season with, not particularly successfully.
I don't think there is one recipe, what's the best team will depend on the opposition and their approach, freshness, form etc.
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Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 17:47 - Oct 26 with 780 views
Joe Fairs, you were right..........well maybe! on 17:20 - Oct 26 by LankHenners
He had a very tidy game but bit surprised by some of the reaction to be honest. Don't agree that he was significantly better than what Cajuste and Nunez have shown - Nunez hasn't had much of a run out from the start to begin with, while Cajuste has become something of a boo boy now where people view him through the lens of their own negative perceptions rather than what he actually does.
Think Nunez's willingness to get on the ball and link things up works when he's further up the pitch, especially when we need someone to take the initiative a bit when teams are just sitting everyone behind the ball, though McKenna seemed to dismiss the idea somewhat post-match.
My position on Cajuste has always been and remains, clearly a very talented player who is often a joy to watch but who (for whatever reason) does not make as good use of the space he creates as he should do.
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