| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. 10:21 - Oct 26 with 4025 views | unstableblue |
… at the moment.
A vibe that is making its way onto the pitch, has some anti-McKenna rhetoric in it, and perhaps presents the start of a bit of a schism with our well loved manager (well still loved by the majority) for the first time.
I thought it was just ‘wood work’ posters on this forum who emerge to thrive on bad results/performances… but it’s across social media and even posters who are a little more balanced.
I get the negativity, fans are still not fully invested in this new batch of players, they pine for the departed characters of the double, performances have been sub par, and selections questioned. Charlton second half deserved derision, it was a collapse. But our confidence and player patterns are just not set.
But the criticism is over the top for me, and seems to portray a deeper lack of investment in this next project.
I think the Premier League showings and lack of wins has left more damage than perhaps realised.
And also the club need to do a bit better, players need to come closer to the north stand after a win, and immediately after the final whistle - engage the fan base more.
But it’s the lethargy point for me… yesterday was a huge win, massively needed. Yet people are more focussed on the negative - check out a third of the 3 word summaries in Homer’s thread.
Philogene had a stonewall penalty not given, it’s hardly debated.
Good that Jack Clarke’s move from villain to cult hero is underway. But should we be shouting more about how Egeli showed incredible promise in that second half.
No doubt overthinking it, but the negativity around me for the majority of the game was OTT. Especially towards Hirst and OShea. And clearly McKenna is picking this up.
Thoughts? I enjoyed the game and a lot of the player performances. And for me it was huge win to really celebrate. But of course poor showings against and Watford and it may go very toxic. |  |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 14:59 - Oct 26 with 860 views | Bobbychase |
My name is Edward Ebenezer Jeremiah Brown
I'm a fairweather fan of Ipswich Town
Wherever they play
I'm there too
I rarely cheer them on, but I love to boo
With my half-baked opinions and my podcast rants
Any minor setback makes me soil my pants
Follow the town
With a frown
I'm Edward Ebenezer Jeremiah Brown
There's not a brain cell in my head |  |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 15:31 - Oct 26 with 799 views | peterleeblue |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 12:03 - Oct 26 by BouncebackIpswich |
ALMOST let down - if you read the full paragraph without cherry picking it's taking my post well out of context.
There is no doubt he's started to lose his God like status amongst the fanbase with how last year played out and start to this season, the growing criticism bears witness to that
To be clear before I get jumped on yet again by the usual suspects who can't hear anything that's not full throated praise I have full faith in McKenna and fully expect Town to finish top 6 minimum probably 4th at the lowest, he's the best man for the job, but the reality is he is after all human and will make mistakes at times. |
That's about how I see it.
Mckenna will continue to learn and develop.
Why move him on and let someone else benefit.
I believe Mckenna should be here until May 27 at least. The idea is to build a premier league competitive team. That may not happen as quick as we would all like.
Additionally our European scouting still requires much evolution. The bedrock of Sunderlands current success. |  | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 15:41 - Oct 26 with 778 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 14:07 - Oct 26 by waveneyblue |
Im guessing that McKenna agreed with the booing on Tues as we lost 3-0 at home, but the negativity at 0-0 and turning on players wasnt called for.
Doesn't take a genius to work that out.
I have zero idea what you do for a living, but I suspect its not in a corporate world, where over hyping and bigging yourself up is standard practice. Ashton isn't going to change anytime soon
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If you have zero idea. Don't guess.
But no you right lol
I'm not asking for ashton to change. But you can't begrudge feelings that follow when things don't go to plan that's all I was saying.
BTW my post wasn't about my feelings just how I view it with a neutral lens on instead of a town lens. [Post edited 26 Oct 15:44]
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 15:44 - Oct 26 with 774 views | Whos_blue |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 14:59 - Oct 26 by Bobbychase |
My name is Edward Ebenezer Jeremiah Brown
I'm a fairweather fan of Ipswich Town
Wherever they play
I'm there too
I rarely cheer them on, but I love to boo
With my half-baked opinions and my podcast rants
Any minor setback makes me soil my pants
Follow the town
With a frown
I'm Edward Ebenezer Jeremiah Brown
There's not a brain cell in my head |
POTD!
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 16:37 - Oct 26 with 729 views | jasondozzell |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 14:59 - Oct 26 by Bobbychase |
My name is Edward Ebenezer Jeremiah Brown
I'm a fairweather fan of Ipswich Town
Wherever they play
I'm there too
I rarely cheer them on, but I love to boo
With my half-baked opinions and my podcast rants
Any minor setback makes me soil my pants
Follow the town
With a frown
I'm Edward Ebenezer Jeremiah Brown
There's not a brain cell in my head |
Superb and says it all |  | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 17:15 - Oct 26 with 680 views | backwaywhen |
Too many have a touch of entitlement sounds like , need to calm down and have some patience. |  | | |
| POST OF THE MONTH on 22:23 - Oct 26 with 583 views | unstableblue |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 14:59 - Oct 26 by Bobbychase |
My name is Edward Ebenezer Jeremiah Brown
I'm a fairweather fan of Ipswich Town
Wherever they play
I'm there too
I rarely cheer them on, but I love to boo
With my half-baked opinions and my podcast rants
Any minor setback makes me soil my pants
Follow the town
With a frown
I'm Edward Ebenezer Jeremiah Brown
There's not a brain cell in my head |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 13:21 - Oct 27 with 432 views | stonojnr |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 14:00 - Oct 26 by ITFCSG |
IMO it’s not really the post-Prem hangover that has driven this lack of enthusiasm and “negativity” - it’s the (unfounded) expectation that with a squad of Championship all-stars and the highest spending club of very the summer we’d have pissed the league as plenty of people both here and on other social media have been saying all summer since relegation was confirmed.
Last season, even though we lost most of the games the vibe was still good as fans treated the Prem as a bonus, a fun ride, at times it seemed like a carnival atmosphere even. However more of the same this season, coupled with 1. the often slow, sideways and backwards tippy tappy 2. lack of scoring 3. generally boring performances have killed off much of the atmosphere after believing that it would be so much more “fun” back in the Championship.
PLUS one more point - speaking to some people at the match yesterday and elsewhere, the feel good factor of McK & Ashton & Co has greatly diminished due to the performances of the newly promoted clubs this season. After all the talk of the unassailable gap between the EFL and PL Sunderland, Leeds and even Burnley has shown us the opposite so far - and thus it’s now a feeling of a missed opportunity rather than something expected |
I dont think that's the case none of these teams went L1, C to PL did they ? And none had not been in the PL for nearly 25 years, that's the gap we had to work with its very different to how those teams have had to play.
Plus the PL looks different this year, Liverpool, Manchester City are misfiring.
If you want to look at why the home crowd are on edge just work out how many home league victories we've seen in the past 18months. | | | |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 13:52 - Oct 27 with 395 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 14:00 - Oct 26 by ITFCSG |
IMO it’s not really the post-Prem hangover that has driven this lack of enthusiasm and “negativity” - it’s the (unfounded) expectation that with a squad of Championship all-stars and the highest spending club of very the summer we’d have pissed the league as plenty of people both here and on other social media have been saying all summer since relegation was confirmed.
Last season, even though we lost most of the games the vibe was still good as fans treated the Prem as a bonus, a fun ride, at times it seemed like a carnival atmosphere even. However more of the same this season, coupled with 1. the often slow, sideways and backwards tippy tappy 2. lack of scoring 3. generally boring performances have killed off much of the atmosphere after believing that it would be so much more “fun” back in the Championship.
PLUS one more point - speaking to some people at the match yesterday and elsewhere, the feel good factor of McK & Ashton & Co has greatly diminished due to the performances of the newly promoted clubs this season. After all the talk of the unassailable gap between the EFL and PL Sunderland, Leeds and even Burnley has shown us the opposite so far - and thus it’s now a feeling of a missed opportunity rather than something expected |
"PLUS one more point - speaking to some people at the match yesterday and elsewhere, the feel good factor of McK & Ashton & Co has greatly diminished due to the performances of the newly promoted clubs this season. After all the talk of the unassailable gap between the EFL and PL Sunderland, Leeds and even Burnley has shown us the opposite so far - and thus it’s now a feeling of a missed opportunity rather than something expected"
Comments like this that you're hearing (and I can't imagine many feel like this), can only be from fair-weather fans / tourists. It's very early days for the promoted sides. Sunderland have maybe built the buffer that gives them a good chance of staying up, but Burnley and Leeds aren't that far ahead of the teams in the relegation zone (except Southampton) from this time last year. A few losses will turn it around very quickly.
We'll see where they are in 2 months - some tough fixtures in the mix. | | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 13:54 - Oct 27 with 385 views | SomethingBlue |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 13:52 - Oct 27 by SuffolkPunchFC |
"PLUS one more point - speaking to some people at the match yesterday and elsewhere, the feel good factor of McK & Ashton & Co has greatly diminished due to the performances of the newly promoted clubs this season. After all the talk of the unassailable gap between the EFL and PL Sunderland, Leeds and even Burnley has shown us the opposite so far - and thus it’s now a feeling of a missed opportunity rather than something expected"
Comments like this that you're hearing (and I can't imagine many feel like this), can only be from fair-weather fans / tourists. It's very early days for the promoted sides. Sunderland have maybe built the buffer that gives them a good chance of staying up, but Burnley and Leeds aren't that far ahead of the teams in the relegation zone (except Southampton) from this time last year. A few losses will turn it around very quickly.
We'll see where they are in 2 months - some tough fixtures in the mix. |
Those teams were also, for very obvious reasons, much better set infrastructurally to be durable upon promotion than we were. They've all had plenty of stabs at it before, many of which failed badly! | |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 06:06 - Oct 28 with 208 views | PioneerBlue |
I agree with many of the posts here. I’m a long-term builder, not a flash in the pan flip-flop. Importantly, I’m a supporter, not a fan.
None of this makes any manager, coach, or player beyond criticism, but how and when you chose to do that is a personal thing.
In these boards, we seem to get confused between pre- and post-match reactions and what’s actually best for the long-term health of the club and team ie not short term overly positive or negative reactions.
Regardless of the short-term results, there are two key matters: whether the CEO and shareholders has confidence in the manager and coaches, and his interest, commitment, and ambition, and whether the coaching group is right. More importantly, whether the players feel comfortable in their surroundings and are growing, developing and delivering consistent performances. Point 2 is harder not completely impossible to observe from game to game but it is a bit subjective, which is why people fixate on game-by-game points and league position.
We knew from the start of the season, based on the summer business and the nature of the rebuild, that this would take time. There’s a portion of fans still not reconciled to the fact that this might not be a one-season return to the Premier League. That in itself won’t stop supporters hoping and the club trying.
I see fans as short traders in equities (stick with it)!, not interested in long term gains, only interested in the next game or two, they are a distraction to the longs who take a season view, but these fans are necessary for a well functioning rounded perspective of club health. They ensure exuberance is capped but sometimes assist in a heavy over reaction, positive or negative. Coyb. | |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 07:38 - Oct 28 with 167 views | Kropotkin123 |
I did what you said and read the 3 word summaries. I wrote "just woke up", as I had, to see we'd already won. But it reads like I was saying the players just woke up, due to someone quoting me. Maybe I've accidentally contributed to that negativity. |  |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 07:51 - Oct 28 with 155 views | WinchBlue |
As far as I can see it’s very simple. This season we’re underachieving against expectation which hasn’t happened for a while ( in fact 2/3 seasons ago we were overachieving). No one likes underachievement. Hopefully KM can turn it round because forcing him out isn’t the answer. |  | | |
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