| Hate 09:03 - Oct 30 with 10043 views | darkhorse28 |
I’ll take a knee and some time off the site. Maybe forever. Almost certainly forever.
I’ve supported the club for 45 years. Man and boy. But don’t want my opinions to spoil the enjoyment of others on the forum. Phil does an amazing job and don’t want to put him in a difficult position either.., it’s hard enough on here.
I will say the bullying, the hate, and the ‘one view or be destroyed’ tribalism on here at times is frankly pathetic…, the same people complaining about online hate, desperate to indulge in online hate. It’s interesting.
Their egos not capable of processing they could be wrong about McKenna, and don’t worry, you don’t know who you are, because there’s almost zero self awareness.
I only stated my opinion, based on facts…, I’ve a huge amount of time for KM, less so Mark Ashton, and KM sadly in context is the architect of his own downfall.
You can’t leverage so much investment, deliver so little with it, and still be a young manager needing patience, sadly, that’s not how football works today. We aren’t good relative to our investment, that’s doesn’t seem like conjecture anymore. Results sadly don’t lie. But the messenger has to be destroyed, it’s predictable, easier for many than dealing with the facts in front of us.
To those desperate to create an echo chamber…, with no alternative voices, that feels warm, safe, comforting, and makes you feel good about what may or may not be true.
You win.
Fingers crossed for promotion, I’d like new owners with real football oversight, that’s where the issues really are, we deserve to be established in the premier league, and I’ll never apologise for wanting that. I don’t see us as league one, I never will, we (almost) never have been. We DO deserve people not to hide behind that brief period, like it’s a shield to scrutiny.
And to my ‘many’ haters, good luck.
You won’t get the right answers by never listening, or exploring alternative views.
But ignorance is bliss…, you might be in a happy place.., and maybe that’s all that counts.., so enjoy that and good luck. And I hope you’re all right about Ashton being world class, I really do, that would be amazing.
UPPA TOWN
Right .., Ian Marshall Wig, check, Romeo Zondernan Fisons shirt and a copy of Mick Mcgivens guide to defensive shape …, and they said pretending to be an Ipswich fan would be cheap. Pfft.
Enjoy the ride chaps.
When I buy the club…, none of you will be banned, but some will be made to watch Mark Ashton play 5 aside in his Cyril Regis shirt.., just saying. [Post edited 30 Oct 9:04]
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| Hate on 10:00 - Oct 30 with 957 views | Cafe_Newman |
I bet this thread won't be as popular as the other one about you.
As much as I recognise the hate your opinions have stirred here. It is to be expected, it's the same with any minority view which is repeatedly expressed by anyone, in any walk of life, anywhere.
At the end of the season, or the next, you might be proven right and you will be justified in wallowing in a certain level of smugness your incredible vision gave you. But every day before you are right, you will be wrong and that is what people will remember. And every day that it looks like you might be right you will be seen as a troll or a doomsayer and that is what people will remember.
Communities (particularly ones such as these) are generally self-censoring and while that is a shame in many cases, it's a function of lots of people with different views getting together. You're not following community norms whether or not those norms are fair or healthy to the community.
You have made your point and you have been incredibly successful in getting an audience but I don't see there's much point continuing with your view, especially if you are going to complain about receiving hate. This ain't the place.
Peace. |  | | |
| Hate on 10:01 - Oct 30 with 940 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Hate on 09:36 - Oct 30 by Swansea_Blue |
There’s no problem in questioning McKenna or Ashton. They have been critical of themselves even, stating that the recruitment wasn’t right and needs a big upgrade (for example). KM’s got some learning to do still to get team up to speed, as we’re off target so far.
It’s the method of delivery and obsessive, seemingly vindictive manner of posting that seems to wind people up. Although yes, I agree people do get defensive around any criticism and there can be group think on here, but I don’t think that’s the main issue in this particular case (in my opinion anyway, for what it’s worth) |
Indeed. A quite intentional campaign of purposely twisted facts, insinuation and innuendo which is tedious in the extreme. He knows exactly what he is doing and to complain about the inevitable response to intentionally objectionable posts, is simply gaslighting.
Continually calling the club the franchise is not a fact or even an opinion. It's deliberately provocative and demeaning. For instance. You can identify a dh post from the first three sentences pretty much without fail. | | | |
| Hate on 10:04 - Oct 30 with 925 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
One of your biggest problems (if we leave all the OTT hyperbole to one side) is you don't actually want a debate. You just post your long rants and then when anyone challenges, particulaly when your 'facts' are wrong, they just get ignored. That's not how debate or forums work.
It's laughable that you accuse others of being in an echo chamber. The self awareness line also.
The reason you're upset here is not "Hate". It's simply that you wanted to have your rants and have everyone agree with them.
If it's true that you're a disgruntled potential buyer of the club then I'm glad you failed. I want someone with a bit more patience - and frankly a bit more grasp on reality - in charge of my football club. |  |
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| Hate on 10:05 - Oct 30 with 903 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hate on 09:20 - Oct 30 by usm |
I rarely post these days - its just not worth the attacks that come your way especially if you happen to state an opinion that differs to some others 😱 |
This place is full of differing opinions. It's only the outlandish ones that get pounced on. | |
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| Hate on 10:06 - Oct 30 with 898 views | farkenhell |
| Hate on 09:20 - Oct 30 by usm |
I rarely post these days - its just not worth the attacks that come your way especially if you happen to state an opinion that differs to some others 😱 |
You deserve attacks for changing your avatar! | | | |
| Hate on 10:10 - Oct 30 with 850 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hate on 09:39 - Oct 30 by BouncebackIpswich |
I agree with this. It's only a select few posters who do it but they are popular, regular posters who are pretty relentless in 'policing' their positive agenda. The worst thing is they don't engage with any viewpoint different to their own, just throw around patronising insults like troll, budgie etc. It's a stain on the site luckily it's a minority.
On darkhorse28, don't agree with people being bullied off the site and hope he will cone back posting but maybe try and post with less of a doomsday perspective. A lot of his points were valid but the way he made them did made him look like he was on the windup.
Edit - darkhorse didn't mean to downvote your original post sorry [Post edited 30 Oct 9:43]
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Just more made up nonsense. Like the OP, you're just miffed that not everyone agrees with you. There is no "'policing' a positive agenda," just some people are a bit more realistic and less demanding of immediate greatness. And for the most part people do engage and debate the negative posters. Unfortunately their 'feelings' seem more important to them than facts and logic. | |
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| Hate on 10:12 - Oct 30 with 851 views | Everydayblue |
Maybe, just maybe. The people on this group would prefer if you were just a bit more positive now and then???
Maybe just read the room a little better?
I'm all for balanced debate. But I don't think I'm alone in suggesting that you lean very heavily on bashing KM and Ashton with a similar template of a post at every opportunity.
You certainly aren't the victim that you are playing in this thread.
I've got you down as an absolute troll, based on raw facts.
But there's always a part of me that thinks someone could be struggling and uses these sites to vent some frustration in their life..
There comes a point, when a drowning man will pull you down when you try to help them. At that point, people will just push you away. Whether they want to or not. | | | |
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| Hate on 10:19 - Oct 30 with 808 views | darkhorse28 |
| Hate on 09:11 - Oct 30 by trncbluearmy |
Whilst not in the ban brigade here lies your problem
"I only stated my opinion, based on facts…," |
I don’t think you can really dispute ‘worst season in our history for points’ ‘relegated’ and ‘over £200 million spent’ and were ’roughly where Evans was’ ‘mid table championship side’ ‘paid a champions league salary’
I’m not sure which of those aren’t measurable and true.
I try to base my conjecture around evidence.
The evidence of the last 18 months making you feel bad, not much I can do about your emotions, and struggling with the above.
Do point out which facts aren’t true though.., you can argue the conclusion Ashton is useless isn’t true .., sure.
You can’t argue the evidence is flawed though.., it’s not.., look at the league table and respective budgets to our completion.
It doesn’t scream Ashton is elite. | | | |
| Hate on 10:30 - Oct 30 with 770 views | darkhorse28 |
| Hate on 09:39 - Oct 30 by Herbivore |
It does rather seem like those who are most vociferous in their criticism of McKenna, Ashton, the club in general are also the most sensitive to having their views challenged. If you're going to express strong opinions online, people are going to challenge them. That's how forums work. If lots of people are challenging your opinions, there might be an issue with their content or delivery, rather than there being some sort of coordinated pack going after you. |
I’ve never had my views challenged, that I’ve seen, genuinely.
Over £200 million spent
Worst season in our history
Mid table and no better than under Evans (results wise)
Ashton 35 years of not being elite
Muddled recruitment
Record salary for a manger, and at champions league levels
They aren’t easy narratives to argue against
You can argue with the conclusion they mean Ashton and or McKenna aren’t good enough.., but not the workings out.., they’re all measures. All of them.
That’s why people resort to personal attacks instead.., defending tribe.., because defending the above is actually an increasingly big challenge.
Attack the messenger.., destroy him.., if nobody says it.., it can’t possibly be true.
But what if the conclusion IS true.
Might not be btw - never said I had a monopoly on how things play out.
Just the opinions of a 51 year old ‘bloke’ .., but my record is excellent, not always right, but I’d always back my views, because they tend to be considered and take a while to formulate.
I didn’t post on here for decades. Posting was a mistake. So I do make them.
It’s SO tribal, so full of group think and fragile egos, on all side of debates.., if warm one dimensional validation is what works best on here.., I’m fine with that.
It won’t help work out what’s the best direction for the club.., but seeing as none of us control that, maybe that doesn’t matter.
The people on here doing politics, they do the football the same way.., destroying their own tribe to protect their fragile egos.
Anyone can have any opinion.., but evidence it.
Ashton and McKenna are elite and world class .
Show your workings. I don’t think any EFL promotion meets the world class criteria, and you do need to be world class to have even a small chance of EPL success. | | | |
| Hate on 10:33 - Oct 30 with 759 views | Herbivore |
| Hate on 10:30 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
I’ve never had my views challenged, that I’ve seen, genuinely.
Over £200 million spent
Worst season in our history
Mid table and no better than under Evans (results wise)
Ashton 35 years of not being elite
Muddled recruitment
Record salary for a manger, and at champions league levels
They aren’t easy narratives to argue against
You can argue with the conclusion they mean Ashton and or McKenna aren’t good enough.., but not the workings out.., they’re all measures. All of them.
That’s why people resort to personal attacks instead.., defending tribe.., because defending the above is actually an increasingly big challenge.
Attack the messenger.., destroy him.., if nobody says it.., it can’t possibly be true.
But what if the conclusion IS true.
Might not be btw - never said I had a monopoly on how things play out.
Just the opinions of a 51 year old ‘bloke’ .., but my record is excellent, not always right, but I’d always back my views, because they tend to be considered and take a while to formulate.
I didn’t post on here for decades. Posting was a mistake. So I do make them.
It’s SO tribal, so full of group think and fragile egos, on all side of debates.., if warm one dimensional validation is what works best on here.., I’m fine with that.
It won’t help work out what’s the best direction for the club.., but seeing as none of us control that, maybe that doesn’t matter.
The people on here doing politics, they do the football the same way.., destroying their own tribe to protect their fragile egos.
Anyone can have any opinion.., but evidence it.
Ashton and McKenna are elite and world class .
Show your workings. I don’t think any EFL promotion meets the world class criteria, and you do need to be world class to have even a small chance of EPL success. |
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| Hate on 10:37 - Oct 30 with 741 views | homer_123 |
| Hate on 10:30 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
I’ve never had my views challenged, that I’ve seen, genuinely.
Over £200 million spent
Worst season in our history
Mid table and no better than under Evans (results wise)
Ashton 35 years of not being elite
Muddled recruitment
Record salary for a manger, and at champions league levels
They aren’t easy narratives to argue against
You can argue with the conclusion they mean Ashton and or McKenna aren’t good enough.., but not the workings out.., they’re all measures. All of them.
That’s why people resort to personal attacks instead.., defending tribe.., because defending the above is actually an increasingly big challenge.
Attack the messenger.., destroy him.., if nobody says it.., it can’t possibly be true.
But what if the conclusion IS true.
Might not be btw - never said I had a monopoly on how things play out.
Just the opinions of a 51 year old ‘bloke’ .., but my record is excellent, not always right, but I’d always back my views, because they tend to be considered and take a while to formulate.
I didn’t post on here for decades. Posting was a mistake. So I do make them.
It’s SO tribal, so full of group think and fragile egos, on all side of debates.., if warm one dimensional validation is what works best on here.., I’m fine with that.
It won’t help work out what’s the best direction for the club.., but seeing as none of us control that, maybe that doesn’t matter.
The people on here doing politics, they do the football the same way.., destroying their own tribe to protect their fragile egos.
Anyone can have any opinion.., but evidence it.
Ashton and McKenna are elite and world class .
Show your workings. I don’t think any EFL promotion meets the world class criteria, and you do need to be world class to have even a small chance of EPL success. |
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| Hate on 10:40 - Oct 30 with 728 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Hate on 09:08 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
Almost forgot.
I’m Darkhorse28 .., maybe there’s a Darkhorse who’s the unpopular one.., I could come back.., it’s just a mistake.., ‘so there’s a chance’.
Although I wouldn’t be any to be part of a tribe that acts like ‘lord of the flies’ eats its own, and throws him under the bus either, not a great place.
I do accept my failings too though…, I vent rather to an engage very often, too often, so no blame, I do me, and take responsibility for that, and do apologise not for any comments, they are genuine and from the heart, and every single word meant…, but for lack of engagement where it’s offered.
I don’t really know how the board works very well and found that difficult to manage at times.., but I did want to engage more and not just rant.., awkward timing with results etc.
Ok anyway…, if there’s a darkhorse27 after QPR
That’s not me - looks sideways. |
I thought you were better when posting as Elephant In The Room. |  |
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| Hate on 10:42 - Oct 30 with 722 views | trncbluearmy |
| Hate on 10:19 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
I don’t think you can really dispute ‘worst season in our history for points’ ‘relegated’ and ‘over £200 million spent’ and were ’roughly where Evans was’ ‘mid table championship side’ ‘paid a champions league salary’
I’m not sure which of those aren’t measurable and true.
I try to base my conjecture around evidence.
The evidence of the last 18 months making you feel bad, not much I can do about your emotions, and struggling with the above.
Do point out which facts aren’t true though.., you can argue the conclusion Ashton is useless isn’t true .., sure.
You can’t argue the evidence is flawed though.., it’s not.., look at the league table and respective budgets to our completion.
It doesn’t scream Ashton is elite. |
So give me breakdown of the £250/£200m you don't seem sure
I really can't be bothered to argue the Evans comparison
Oh yeah worst season in history we're you there for the mcarthy,lambert,jewell,cook era's, Jesus
I'm not struggling with anything mate,still enjoying the ride albeit with a few bumps but nothing worth achieving comes easy
Not going to repeat what has been said by others but Gamechanger,MA and KM have turned the club around completely
No facts from you, just childish envy filled opions |  | | |
| Hate on 10:45 - Oct 30 with 715 views | farkenhell |
| Hate on 10:30 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
I’ve never had my views challenged, that I’ve seen, genuinely.
Over £200 million spent
Worst season in our history
Mid table and no better than under Evans (results wise)
Ashton 35 years of not being elite
Muddled recruitment
Record salary for a manger, and at champions league levels
They aren’t easy narratives to argue against
You can argue with the conclusion they mean Ashton and or McKenna aren’t good enough.., but not the workings out.., they’re all measures. All of them.
That’s why people resort to personal attacks instead.., defending tribe.., because defending the above is actually an increasingly big challenge.
Attack the messenger.., destroy him.., if nobody says it.., it can’t possibly be true.
But what if the conclusion IS true.
Might not be btw - never said I had a monopoly on how things play out.
Just the opinions of a 51 year old ‘bloke’ .., but my record is excellent, not always right, but I’d always back my views, because they tend to be considered and take a while to formulate.
I didn’t post on here for decades. Posting was a mistake. So I do make them.
It’s SO tribal, so full of group think and fragile egos, on all side of debates.., if warm one dimensional validation is what works best on here.., I’m fine with that.
It won’t help work out what’s the best direction for the club.., but seeing as none of us control that, maybe that doesn’t matter.
The people on here doing politics, they do the football the same way.., destroying their own tribe to protect their fragile egos.
Anyone can have any opinion.., but evidence it.
Ashton and McKenna are elite and world class .
Show your workings. I don’t think any EFL promotion meets the world class criteria, and you do need to be world class to have even a small chance of EPL success. |
Can I challenge you on a few of those views?
"Over £200 million spent." Are you taking into account or ignoring the fees that we received in the last transfer window for Delap, Hutchinson, Broadhead and Woolfenden?
"Worst season in our history?" Are you including our relegation from the Championship to Division 3, and each season that we languished there before MA and KmcK rescued us?
"No better than under Evans." As bad as those seasons in Division 3? | | | |
| Hate on 10:45 - Oct 30 with 706 views | darkhorse28 |
| Hate on 09:48 - Oct 30 by peterleeblue |
I'm firmly in the Mckenna in camp. I may be wrong about that.
However, what I do have his a commodity called patience and an ability to see the bigger picture.
Lets say all was good in the world before we got promoted to the Premier League as far as Mckenna is concerned.
I always felt our Championship all stars approach may fail. Sunderland's approach this season has proved why. Simply our recruitment structure / model was either not up to scratch or more likely not developed enough to suggest that signing the players we actually needed would have been high risk as to any acquisitions actually fitting in not withs attending their ability being sufficient for the job in hand.
So yes Ashton and Mckenna have spent the money. On Ability alone the current squad is light years ahead of 23/24. Its is now down to Mckenna and his team to assist in developing the patterns of play along with on and off field relationships. "Lived Experiences" I think Mckenna calls it. No he doesn't have forever to achieve this but promotion by May 27 would certainly be acceptable to me maybe in the long run more preferential to May 26 (to allow our scouting / recruitment to be at a standard to draw the quality required to the club in order to stay up).
"You can’t leverage so much investment, deliver so little with it, and still be a young manager needing patience, sadly, that’s not how football works today" - Why ever not! We can be different you know. |
Ah. So that’s great, and I agree.
BUT we can’t be different…, numbers don’t work differently for us, neither does PSR.
We spent £200 plus million and gave our manager a contract worth the same as our ENTIRE TV revenue at EFL level.
There is no world where what you describe is possible.., it is if we hadn’t spent so much.., sure, that’s a choice.
Promotion this year or next, if McKenna stays, isn’t a nice to have, it’s not a journey, it’s essential to the clubs survival!
THAT is where I stand against the rump of haters in here..; you’ve built a fantasy, and it’s nice, it’s great, and I share it too.
I honestly wish we’d done the progressive thing, and maybe a yo yo club on mich less investment, including finding a new manager if our insists he’s worth the same as Slot.
Not ideal. But a better long term vision.
But we didn’t do that.
I retired in my 30’s because ei like and understand business, numbers, and people, not a willy wave, just the reality.
Not getting promoted with our liabilities isn’t a nice journey.., it will be the most brutal period in my time supporting the club (outside administration)
The impact isn’t small.., or just not ideal.., it’s transformative and will shape what we do for decades .
See Norwich if you want to know what legacy liabilities and EFL income looks like, or us after administration stripped of talent.
I lived and breathed those years.., and it’s no fun.
We sold £80 million of players.., and the mistakes in talent ID are killing us.
Every time we spend £50 million on a Ogbenne, McAteer and Norwegian prospect who may or may not work, it’s not a switch off and switch the computer game back in scenario.
We’re making these mistakes after four years of Mark making us elite!!!
We aren’t anywhere near what we need. Never will be is my opinion (under Mark)
There aren’t zero consequences.
Not going up before parachute payments expire isn’t an option.
Tell me where we sell the next round of players to meet liabilities?
Jack Clarke would command a decent fee, Philogene has that quality where someone will always think they can get him to run about more.., tell me just one other player clubs would be queuing up for ., Leif would get a decent fee too.
You don’t pay your manger 100% TV revenue.., spend hundreds of millions stay in the EFL and say .., it’s a journey.
That’s (sadly) not the path we chose
We went for it. Took a huge risk. It’s already failed.
We could go up this season.., and the TV money will cover most sins, but that’s not sustainable in my opinion.., Ashton has repeated the same mistakes for 35 years.., not 4.
I don’t think he believes he’s elite - that’s the issue…, he panics and reverts to behaviours that are anything but productive.., control is his biggest need.
It’s not for me., seen it a million times.., doesn’t work.
Just my view.
I take ZERO satisfaction if right.., 23/24 I wouldn’t have said we could go up.., I was wrong.., I hope I’m even more wrong now. | | | |
| Hate on 10:47 - Oct 30 with 704 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Hate on 10:10 - Oct 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Just more made up nonsense. Like the OP, you're just miffed that not everyone agrees with you. There is no "'policing' a positive agenda," just some people are a bit more realistic and less demanding of immediate greatness. And for the most part people do engage and debate the negative posters. Unfortunately their 'feelings' seem more important to them than facts and logic. |
It's clearly true, which is why myself and others say it. You ironically being one of the ones I am referring to, a regular long time poster with a clear superiority complex, my opinion is better than your opinion etc.
And it's not about hurt feelings, it's about reasonable posts being met with pathetic dismissive insults. Even if you don't agree with it, engage and put forward your own argument rather than snide remarks. To be fair, you have actually done that in this post so fair play. |  | | |
| Hate on 10:49 - Oct 30 with 695 views | darkhorse28 |
| Hate on 09:52 - Oct 30 by Herbivore |
That was dear old Keaneish. One of the greatest rants in TWTD history. Personally blamed Mullet and Badger for ruining the club. It didn't age very well. |
Paul Cooks signings aged well. Sam and Chaplin alone gave us huge momentum on and off the field.., we miss their sheer desire to be the best they could be and demand that of others.
Paul’s doing well again.., not a surprise. McKenna was a great appointment where we were at, I don’t think anyone disputes he’s done some things brilliantly well.
A better coach than manger for me, and found out under the scrutiny at the very highest level. That’s my opinion. Lots of the results over the last 18 months paint a clear picture on that. | | | |
| Hate on 10:49 - Oct 30 with 702 views | MrPotatoHead |
| Hate on 10:45 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
Ah. So that’s great, and I agree.
BUT we can’t be different…, numbers don’t work differently for us, neither does PSR.
We spent £200 plus million and gave our manager a contract worth the same as our ENTIRE TV revenue at EFL level.
There is no world where what you describe is possible.., it is if we hadn’t spent so much.., sure, that’s a choice.
Promotion this year or next, if McKenna stays, isn’t a nice to have, it’s not a journey, it’s essential to the clubs survival!
THAT is where I stand against the rump of haters in here..; you’ve built a fantasy, and it’s nice, it’s great, and I share it too.
I honestly wish we’d done the progressive thing, and maybe a yo yo club on mich less investment, including finding a new manager if our insists he’s worth the same as Slot.
Not ideal. But a better long term vision.
But we didn’t do that.
I retired in my 30’s because ei like and understand business, numbers, and people, not a willy wave, just the reality.
Not getting promoted with our liabilities isn’t a nice journey.., it will be the most brutal period in my time supporting the club (outside administration)
The impact isn’t small.., or just not ideal.., it’s transformative and will shape what we do for decades .
See Norwich if you want to know what legacy liabilities and EFL income looks like, or us after administration stripped of talent.
I lived and breathed those years.., and it’s no fun.
We sold £80 million of players.., and the mistakes in talent ID are killing us.
Every time we spend £50 million on a Ogbenne, McAteer and Norwegian prospect who may or may not work, it’s not a switch off and switch the computer game back in scenario.
We’re making these mistakes after four years of Mark making us elite!!!
We aren’t anywhere near what we need. Never will be is my opinion (under Mark)
There aren’t zero consequences.
Not going up before parachute payments expire isn’t an option.
Tell me where we sell the next round of players to meet liabilities?
Jack Clarke would command a decent fee, Philogene has that quality where someone will always think they can get him to run about more.., tell me just one other player clubs would be queuing up for ., Leif would get a decent fee too.
You don’t pay your manger 100% TV revenue.., spend hundreds of millions stay in the EFL and say .., it’s a journey.
That’s (sadly) not the path we chose
We went for it. Took a huge risk. It’s already failed.
We could go up this season.., and the TV money will cover most sins, but that’s not sustainable in my opinion.., Ashton has repeated the same mistakes for 35 years.., not 4.
I don’t think he believes he’s elite - that’s the issue…, he panics and reverts to behaviours that are anything but productive.., control is his biggest need.
It’s not for me., seen it a million times.., doesn’t work.
Just my view.
I take ZERO satisfaction if right.., 23/24 I wouldn’t have said we could go up.., I was wrong.., I hope I’m even more wrong now. |
This £200m you keep referring to is absolute nonsense.
If you buy a house for £250k and sell it for £300k, buy a replacement for £300k and sell it for £300k and move again to somewhere worth £400k, have you got £950k worth of property?
What is the net spend since Ashton joined? I don't know the answer but put very simply the net spend vs. the movement in the squad value today is the only measure by which value should be determined.
You don't do yourself any favours with your inability to grasp this very basic concept. |  | | |
| Hate on 10:54 - Oct 30 with 686 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Hate on 10:49 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
Paul Cooks signings aged well. Sam and Chaplin alone gave us huge momentum on and off the field.., we miss their sheer desire to be the best they could be and demand that of others.
Paul’s doing well again.., not a surprise. McKenna was a great appointment where we were at, I don’t think anyone disputes he’s done some things brilliantly well.
A better coach than manger for me, and found out under the scrutiny at the very highest level. That’s my opinion. Lots of the results over the last 18 months paint a clear picture on that. |
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| Hate on 10:54 - Oct 30 with 684 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Hate on 10:49 - Oct 30 by darkhorse28 |
Paul Cooks signings aged well. Sam and Chaplin alone gave us huge momentum on and off the field.., we miss their sheer desire to be the best they could be and demand that of others.
Paul’s doing well again.., not a surprise. McKenna was a great appointment where we were at, I don’t think anyone disputes he’s done some things brilliantly well.
A better coach than manger for me, and found out under the scrutiny at the very highest level. That’s my opinion. Lots of the results over the last 18 months paint a clear picture on that. |
I don't think there's too much in this that can be disagreed with, however will say that writing off KM as being found out is harsh, there are some challenges he's clearly found a step too far and he still needs to prove he can succeed with a weight of expectation, but found out implies he was a fraud which is clearly not the case | | | |
| Hate on 10:55 - Oct 30 with 675 views | darkhorse28 |
| Hate on 09:52 - Oct 30 by Bluroo |
A departing lecture on ignorance, arrogance and self awareness. The irony.
Its clear that our unexpected, over-achieving promotion in 2024 is the source of so much confusion and discontent. I'm surprised that "victim of success" is such a difficult idiom to comprehend. To encapsulate that position as an "echo-chamber" is laughable, given the "facts". |
Not at all. It was wonderful.
The subsequent £200 plus investment and a salary that’s without reach of Slot and the best managers in world football.., you seem to be forgetting that context in your analysis of our journey.
If you stop at 23/24 I make you correct.
After spending so much on and off the field.., to yield what we have over 50 odd games.., I’d say anyone objectively would describe it as appalling, not poor, awful.
We don’t get to switch the computer off.
We have the liabilities and consequences now. They go nowhere.
It’s promotion or bust under the parachute payments. That’s it.
I’d rather we’d taken a very different approach:
It was a generational opportunity, and BUST was an outcome we could have easily avoided. I think ignorance around where we are at if we stay in the EFL is why a lot of people keep digging, that and ego..; we didn’t need to be in this position.
It’s not progress is it:
We’re in danger of measurably making Marcus look more succesful relative to investment. Not great is it. But you do you. I hope you’re right and I’m wrong. | | | |
| Hate on 10:57 - Oct 30 with 656 views | Illinoisblue |
Before mummy comes along and has you put all the toys back in the pram, could you let us know when you’ve ever been happy watching Ipswich ? If the Ashton years are so painful for you , how did you cope under Evans? |  |
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| Hate on 10:57 - Oct 30 with 650 views | trncbluearmy |
| Hate on 10:49 - Oct 30 by MrPotatoHead |
This £200m you keep referring to is absolute nonsense.
If you buy a house for £250k and sell it for £300k, buy a replacement for £300k and sell it for £300k and move again to somewhere worth £400k, have you got £950k worth of property?
What is the net spend since Ashton joined? I don't know the answer but put very simply the net spend vs. the movement in the squad value today is the only measure by which value should be determined.
You don't do yourself any favours with your inability to grasp this very basic concept. |
Pathetic isn't it
Boosting he's a successful businessman but cannot grasp the difference between net and gross spending [Post edited 30 Oct 10:58]
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