| I don't know the train lines on 11:16 - Nov 3 with 1596 views | Churchman |
| I don't know the train lines on 10:11 - Nov 3 by SitfcB |
Bloody hell…
The police say that Anthony Williams, 32, is also being charged with an additional count of attempted murder and possession of a bladed article in relation to an incident on London's DLR network in the early hours of Saturday.
It is understood that a victim suffered facial injuries after being attacked with a knife at Pontoon Dock station on London's DLR network at 00:46.
Williams was later identified as a suspect.
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Well done to those that faced up to this bit of filth. It is the very last option and a very brave one. You know you are going to get hurt or worse, which is why, unlike the movies, nobody in the open confronts an attacker with a knife - unless you have a gun and know how to use it (armed police).
I interested to know why this creature attacked those people. There will be a reason. |  | |  |
| I don't know the train lines on 11:23 - Nov 3 with 1557 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Today was the day I finally decided to delete X/Twitter account and take the app off my phone.
The reaction to this has been nothing short of disgraceful and disgusting. What happened was an absolute tragedy and it breaks your heart to think how scared the people on that train must have been.
The amount of people, people you probably encounter on a day to day basis who reacted in a way that was overtly racist almost instantly after the news broke is demoralising frankly.
I don't know why it has taken me so long to get off that cesspit of an App but I know I will feel much better for it [Post edited 3 Nov 2025 11:26]
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| I don't know the train lines on 12:34 - Nov 3 with 1427 views | Mullet |
| I don't know the train lines on 11:23 - Nov 3 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Today was the day I finally decided to delete X/Twitter account and take the app off my phone.
The reaction to this has been nothing short of disgraceful and disgusting. What happened was an absolute tragedy and it breaks your heart to think how scared the people on that train must have been.
The amount of people, people you probably encounter on a day to day basis who reacted in a way that was overtly racist almost instantly after the news broke is demoralising frankly.
I don't know why it has taken me so long to get off that cesspit of an App but I know I will feel much better for it [Post edited 3 Nov 2025 11:26]
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I’ve unfollowed a few town fans the past 24 hrs for being the same. Might be time to delete it too. |  |
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| I don't know the train lines on 12:35 - Nov 3 with 1416 views | noggin |
| I don't know the train lines on 11:23 - Nov 3 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Today was the day I finally decided to delete X/Twitter account and take the app off my phone.
The reaction to this has been nothing short of disgraceful and disgusting. What happened was an absolute tragedy and it breaks your heart to think how scared the people on that train must have been.
The amount of people, people you probably encounter on a day to day basis who reacted in a way that was overtly racist almost instantly after the news broke is demoralising frankly.
I don't know why it has taken me so long to get off that cesspit of an App but I know I will feel much better for it [Post edited 3 Nov 2025 11:26]
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Well done.
I have done the same with Facebook. In recent months I had reported several, openly racist, posts, only to be informed that they didn't breach Facebook rules. I also posted something which was critical of trump, but not untrue, and was given a warning and the post removed.
I despair of where the internet is taking us and how it is being controlled. |  |
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| I don't know the train lines on 12:46 - Nov 3 with 1392 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| I don't know the train lines on 11:16 - Nov 3 by Churchman |
Well done to those that faced up to this bit of filth. It is the very last option and a very brave one. You know you are going to get hurt or worse, which is why, unlike the movies, nobody in the open confronts an attacker with a knife - unless you have a gun and know how to use it (armed police).
I interested to know why this creature attacked those people. There will be a reason. |
Remember everyone:
Fire extinguishers are your friend.
Even a jet of high pressure water in the face is going to significantly hamper the ability of an attacker to wound, buying more time for others to assist and incapacitate them.
Foam is even better.
Freezing CO² is best of all. That would blind and choke them.
And the extinguisher can also be used to parry blows from a knife, or as a club to the head.
The element of surprise is key to knife attacks. Many of the perpetrators are obsessive personality types who have fantasized about what will happen. Taking the element of surprise from them and interrupting their plans will leave them very confused.
In a confined space like a railway carriage fighting back swiftly and decisively is the best approach to minimise the total number of casualties, rather than staying stuck behind tables as sitting ducks, or bunching at one end of the carriage, where crush injuries are highly likely.
But, obviously, if you or I lead the charge, we are putting ourselves in harm's way.
If a fire extinguisher isn't available, and a narwhal tusk is, grab that! |  | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 12:49 - Nov 3 with 1372 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| I don't know the train lines on 12:34 - Nov 3 by Mullet |
I’ve unfollowed a few town fans the past 24 hrs for being the same. Might be time to delete it too. |
Yep.. Seen plenty of Town fans who have pretty big followings on socials jump on it straight away to spread some reform propaganda. | |
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| I don't know the train lines on 12:51 - Nov 3 with 1368 views | positivity |
| I don't know the train lines on 12:46 - Nov 3 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Remember everyone:
Fire extinguishers are your friend.
Even a jet of high pressure water in the face is going to significantly hamper the ability of an attacker to wound, buying more time for others to assist and incapacitate them.
Foam is even better.
Freezing CO² is best of all. That would blind and choke them.
And the extinguisher can also be used to parry blows from a knife, or as a club to the head.
The element of surprise is key to knife attacks. Many of the perpetrators are obsessive personality types who have fantasized about what will happen. Taking the element of surprise from them and interrupting their plans will leave them very confused.
In a confined space like a railway carriage fighting back swiftly and decisively is the best approach to minimise the total number of casualties, rather than staying stuck behind tables as sitting ducks, or bunching at one end of the carriage, where crush injuries are highly likely.
But, obviously, if you or I lead the charge, we are putting ourselves in harm's way.
If a fire extinguisher isn't available, and a narwhal tusk is, grab that! |
great post.
was reading that and thinking all the way through, what about a narwhal tusk?
then you covered that in your last sentence! one per carriage should be sufficient... | |
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| I don't know the train lines on 12:51 - Nov 3 with 1353 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| I don't know the train lines on 12:35 - Nov 3 by noggin |
Well done.
I have done the same with Facebook. In recent months I had reported several, openly racist, posts, only to be informed that they didn't breach Facebook rules. I also posted something which was critical of trump, but not untrue, and was given a warning and the post removed.
I despair of where the internet is taking us and how it is being controlled. |
Scary isn't it. I feel like it used to be easy to avoid this stuff but now it is genuinely everywhere. | |
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| I don't know the train lines on 15:25 - Nov 3 with 1233 views | DJR |
| I don't know the train lines on 12:51 - Nov 3 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Scary isn't it. I feel like it used to be easy to avoid this stuff but now it is genuinely everywhere. |
I'm just glad I am not on social media other than TWTD. |  | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 15:51 - Nov 3 with 1194 views | wischip |
| I don't know the train lines on 12:51 - Nov 3 by positivity |
great post.
was reading that and thinking all the way through, what about a narwhal tusk?
then you covered that in your last sentence! one per carriage should be sufficient... |
Yes in all seriousness I was thinking yesterday what is there in a train carriage that you can grab to defend yourself and the first thing that sprang to mind was fire extinguisher. I can't remember whether every carriage has them. I can't think of anything else that's in a carriage that you could detach. I'll be getting the train into London next Monday so I will be studying the carriage. To think it's come to this now. |  | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:03 - Nov 3 with 1171 views | Ryorry |
| I don't know the train lines on 15:51 - Nov 3 by wischip |
Yes in all seriousness I was thinking yesterday what is there in a train carriage that you can grab to defend yourself and the first thing that sprang to mind was fire extinguisher. I can't remember whether every carriage has them. I can't think of anything else that's in a carriage that you could detach. I'll be getting the train into London next Monday so I will be studying the carriage. To think it's come to this now. |
Easiest and best as a defence if you're in the buffet car I'd have thought, is a metal tea tray, as one woman passenger on that train picked up and used yesterday!
Don't fire extinguishers require strength to pick up and prior know-how to use? |  |
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| I don't know the train lines on 16:05 - Nov 3 with 1168 views | positivity |
| I don't know the train lines on 15:51 - Nov 3 by wischip |
Yes in all seriousness I was thinking yesterday what is there in a train carriage that you can grab to defend yourself and the first thing that sprang to mind was fire extinguisher. I can't remember whether every carriage has them. I can't think of anything else that's in a carriage that you could detach. I'll be getting the train into London next Monday so I will be studying the carriage. To think it's come to this now. |
yes, those little window hammers wouldn't be much help!
it's only one occurrence amidst millions of train journeys with no knife attacks though, i'd still feel much safer there than on the road... | |
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| I don't know the train lines on 16:51 - Nov 3 with 1094 views | Plums |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:03 - Nov 3 by Ryorry |
Easiest and best as a defence if you're in the buffet car I'd have thought, is a metal tea tray, as one woman passenger on that train picked up and used yesterday!
Don't fire extinguishers require strength to pick up and prior know-how to use? |
Luggage and coats spring to mind in a railway carriage - if you aren't too frozen or the flight instinct hasn't kicked in. A flurry of bags and suitcases would cause enough of an obstacle as well as being pretty thick against knife blows. However, it's having the presence of mind in that split second and none of us really know how we'd react. [Post edited 3 Nov 2025 17:04]
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| I don't know the train lines on 12:44 - Nov 4 with 859 views | HighgateBlue |
I never ever come onto the General thread, but I came here to say exactly the same.
Samir Zitouni, take a bow, take a holiday, and take the applause of a nation.
We'd all like to think we'd do the same, but I'm blowed if I know how many actually would, myself very much included. What an absolute hero. The country's highest honour should be bestowed. To show him the individual respect he deserves, and to show the world that that is what this country honours. Hell, make him Duke of York, I hear that's vacant now, and York is a fine railway city.
And those who have kept him alive do the same for others every day of the week. I know I couldn't do that. |  | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 12:54 - Nov 4 with 848 views | HighgateBlue |
| I don't know the train lines on 09:24 - Nov 3 by Zx1988 |
I see that the suspect has been named as 'Anthony Williams'.
That's going to upset an awful lot of people, I'm sure. |
It is tragic to see so many make this about race, and one doesn't even need to read about the truly heroic Samir Zitouni to be of that view.
There are so so many layers to the stupidity of those who immediately rush to racial comments. I don't even go on Twitter, but on facebook the amount of people making an identical comment about the attacker not being called John Smith, and then the micro-sub-arguments about how British you have to be to be British, I mean it just makes you so sad.
The point that names and races have long since lost a strong correlation is almost too subtle even to bother with in the face of such ignorance and lack of sensitivity. And of course we're here talking about the Great British railways - Brunel's dad was French. How we haven't moved beyond this tribalism as a society I do not know. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 13:23 - Nov 4 with 817 views | The_Major |
I note the news came out the same time as the news that Yaxley Lennon had been found not guilty in his latest court case.
I know which one is the true Brit, who displays actual British values, and it sure as hell isn't traitor Tommy. |  | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 14:12 - Nov 5 with 701 views | DJR |
Regardless of the meaning of native Brit, this is the prospective Reform mayoral candidate for Doncaster's view of what being English means.
"The recent stabbing incident on the train from Doncaster to London King’s Cross has understandably further raised significant concerns. Reports suggest that the individuals involved are not English, but black and of Caribbean descent. Prompting again discussion about the impact of mass immigration on public safety. While diversity is often celebrated for its contributions to society, the challenges surrounding community cohesion are becoming increasingly apparent. If our goal is to foster a safer society, we must critically and immediately evaluate our immigration policies and consider the implications of welcoming large numbers of individuals from third world cultures into our land…
“Being English transcends mere citizenship; it encompasses a rich tapestry of lineage, culture, and traditions back to 927 AD when tribes of Angles, Saxons and Jutes formed together and created the country of England. So British maybe, but not English.”
https://bylinetimes.com/2025/1
Presumably very few qualify on the basis of that definition because even if white, they may well have Welsh, Scots, Northern Irish or Irish ancestors. Indeed with a name like Jones, the prospective candidate may well fail his own test.  [Post edited 5 Nov 2025 14:18]
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| I don't know the train lines on 14:39 - Nov 5 with 663 views | Blueschev |
| I don't know the train lines on 14:12 - Nov 5 by DJR |
Regardless of the meaning of native Brit, this is the prospective Reform mayoral candidate for Doncaster's view of what being English means.
"The recent stabbing incident on the train from Doncaster to London King’s Cross has understandably further raised significant concerns. Reports suggest that the individuals involved are not English, but black and of Caribbean descent. Prompting again discussion about the impact of mass immigration on public safety. While diversity is often celebrated for its contributions to society, the challenges surrounding community cohesion are becoming increasingly apparent. If our goal is to foster a safer society, we must critically and immediately evaluate our immigration policies and consider the implications of welcoming large numbers of individuals from third world cultures into our land…
“Being English transcends mere citizenship; it encompasses a rich tapestry of lineage, culture, and traditions back to 927 AD when tribes of Angles, Saxons and Jutes formed together and created the country of England. So British maybe, but not English.”
https://bylinetimes.com/2025/1
Presumably very few qualify on the basis of that definition because even if white, they may well have Welsh, Scots, Northern Irish or Irish ancestors. Indeed with a name like Jones, the prospective candidate may well fail his own test. [Post edited 5 Nov 2025 14:18]
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That's absolutely disgusting. Having said that at least it's honest, as I've no doubt it's how the vast majority of Reform candidates talk behind closed doors. |  | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 14:44 - Nov 5 with 652 views | positivity |
| I don't know the train lines on 14:12 - Nov 5 by DJR |
Regardless of the meaning of native Brit, this is the prospective Reform mayoral candidate for Doncaster's view of what being English means.
"The recent stabbing incident on the train from Doncaster to London King’s Cross has understandably further raised significant concerns. Reports suggest that the individuals involved are not English, but black and of Caribbean descent. Prompting again discussion about the impact of mass immigration on public safety. While diversity is often celebrated for its contributions to society, the challenges surrounding community cohesion are becoming increasingly apparent. If our goal is to foster a safer society, we must critically and immediately evaluate our immigration policies and consider the implications of welcoming large numbers of individuals from third world cultures into our land…
“Being English transcends mere citizenship; it encompasses a rich tapestry of lineage, culture, and traditions back to 927 AD when tribes of Angles, Saxons and Jutes formed together and created the country of England. So British maybe, but not English.”
https://bylinetimes.com/2025/1
Presumably very few qualify on the basis of that definition because even if white, they may well have Welsh, Scots, Northern Irish or Irish ancestors. Indeed with a name like Jones, the prospective candidate may well fail his own test. [Post edited 5 Nov 2025 14:18]
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farage and yusuf don't seem like anglo, saxon or jute names? is he advocating for them to be on the mass deportation lists? | |
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| I don't know the train lines on 15:25 - Nov 5 with 604 views | leitrimblue |
| I don't know the train lines on 14:12 - Nov 5 by DJR |
Regardless of the meaning of native Brit, this is the prospective Reform mayoral candidate for Doncaster's view of what being English means.
"The recent stabbing incident on the train from Doncaster to London King’s Cross has understandably further raised significant concerns. Reports suggest that the individuals involved are not English, but black and of Caribbean descent. Prompting again discussion about the impact of mass immigration on public safety. While diversity is often celebrated for its contributions to society, the challenges surrounding community cohesion are becoming increasingly apparent. If our goal is to foster a safer society, we must critically and immediately evaluate our immigration policies and consider the implications of welcoming large numbers of individuals from third world cultures into our land…
“Being English transcends mere citizenship; it encompasses a rich tapestry of lineage, culture, and traditions back to 927 AD when tribes of Angles, Saxons and Jutes formed together and created the country of England. So British maybe, but not English.”
https://bylinetimes.com/2025/1
Presumably very few qualify on the basis of that definition because even if white, they may well have Welsh, Scots, Northern Irish or Irish ancestors. Indeed with a name like Jones, the prospective candidate may well fail his own test. [Post edited 5 Nov 2025 14:18]
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So yer not English unless you are completely white and can trace all your descendants back to at least their Saxon origins. Genuis 
Yer last paragraph is spot on. Very few 'native Brits' are gonna pass the English test.
Farage for instance with his Huguenot origin surname gonna struggle to reach the criteria |  | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 15:37 - Nov 5 with 578 views | leitrimblue |
| I don't know the train lines on 14:44 - Nov 5 by positivity |
farage and yusuf don't seem like anglo, saxon or jute names? is he advocating for them to be on the mass deportation lists? |
Think Angles, Saxons, Jutes and those descended from purely Celtic genes or earlier seem to be safe. Norman's and anybody who came after though...
I think Reform are being a bit lenient here. Personally I only accept those whose entire ancestry can be traced back to UK based mesolithic hunter gatherers as English. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:08 - Nov 5 with 544 views | positivity |
| I don't know the train lines on 15:37 - Nov 5 by leitrimblue |
Think Angles, Saxons, Jutes and those descended from purely Celtic genes or earlier seem to be safe. Norman's and anybody who came after though...
I think Reform are being a bit lenient here. Personally I only accept those whose entire ancestry can be traced back to UK based mesolithic hunter gatherers as English. |
nope, that's not english enough.
i only accept those whose entire ancestry can be traced back to uk based mesolithic hunter gatherers AND haven't evolved/been-tainted-by-those-pesky-foreigners as english | |
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| I don't know the train lines on 16:21 - Nov 5 with 515 views | Radlett_blue |
| I don't know the train lines on 11:16 - Nov 3 by Churchman |
Well done to those that faced up to this bit of filth. It is the very last option and a very brave one. You know you are going to get hurt or worse, which is why, unlike the movies, nobody in the open confronts an attacker with a knife - unless you have a gun and know how to use it (armed police).
I interested to know why this creature attacked those people. There will be a reason. |
We are speculating, but it's probable that this attacker suffers from some sort of mental disorder, such as paranoid schizophrenia. It doesn't seem to have been a "terror" attack by a religious fanatic. No sane person is likely to attack random strangers in this way.
Rather than being treated as a piece of "filth", it's possible that the attacker wasn't in control of his actions at the time. While this will be of no comfort to the victims, it's probable that the attacker will be detained at a high security mental institution.
The "mad or bad" debate is never pleasant and naturally the relatives of the victims aren't really interested. |  |
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| I don't know the train lines on 16:24 - Nov 5 with 505 views | DJR |
Further evidence of the misinformation that fuels this debate, this time from the Telegraph and a Tory shadow minister.
Pippa Crerar, the Guardian’s political editor, says she has been told that the Algerian prisoner mistakenly released is not an asylum seeker.
UPDATE: The wrongly released prisoner is *not* an asylum seeker, I’m told.
“This shows it’s wise to check all your facts,” a source says of Cartlidge’s questions.
More info expected on his immigration status later.
The Telegraph first reported that the man was an asylum seeker, and James Cartlidge repeated this in the Commons after PMQs. (See 12.44pm.) No 10 did not correct this at the post-PMQs lobby briefing. | | | |
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