| Morsy's Plans 11:06 - Nov 11 with 6185 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
Has anyone heard any whispers about Sam Morsy's plans for the future.
As he's been released by Kuwait SC, I assume he must be training somewhere if he plans to join a club in January. Or maybe he's got his feet up somewhere and has semi-retired.
Obviously most would love to see him back here in January, but surely it can't/won't happen if he's not trained or been on the hobnobs for 4 months. |  | | |  |
| Morsy's Plans on 14:40 - Nov 11 with 1393 views | nrb1985 |
| Morsy's Plans on 14:32 - Nov 11 by LutherBlissett |
Yeah, well he's back in the UK anyway. So yeah. |
Is he? | | | |
| Morsy's Plans on 14:43 - Nov 11 with 1380 views | MrPotatoHead |
| Morsy's Plans on 14:28 - Nov 11 by nrb1985 |
“People care about more than just money”
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL - brilliant.
Mate, you’re talking about a bloke who gave up being captain of one of the top 20-30 clubs in the country, playing in front of 30k people who adore him every week to go and play in front of one man and his dog and live in a desert.
I think you’d be hard pressed to make an argument he did this for any reasons other than a massive tax free wedge.
And good on him! I’d have done the same. |
Well there was 1 reason... |  | | |
| Morsy's Plans on 14:44 - Nov 11 with 1378 views | nrb1985 |
| Morsy's Plans on 14:25 - Nov 11 by Churchman |
Nothing would surprise me. They were heavily into automation 10 years ago.
One of the big projects was called MTD (Making Tax Digital). Real time online tax, basically. It was a massive but got hideously delayed thanks to Brexit (Project resources were all switched to that). Where it is now I’ve no idea.
I’m not sure AI can ever replace people expertise and judgement though, especially when it comes to agreeing settlements. I’m seeing a former Tax Inspector mate tomorrow - I’ll ask him. |
Yes please that would be interesting. Don't forget to boo him as well.
On a serious note, the costs of monitoring and administering such a complicated tax system must significantly eat into any net increase in tax take from "catching" people who are here more days than they should be?
I don't know why we maintain such a convoluted and difficult to understand system. No wonder well meaning people like Rayner et al fall foul of this - it's barmy. [Post edited 11 Nov 14:44]
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| Morsy's Plans on 14:57 - Nov 11 with 1334 views | Churchman |
| Morsy's Plans on 14:44 - Nov 11 by nrb1985 |
Yes please that would be interesting. Don't forget to boo him as well.
On a serious note, the costs of monitoring and administering such a complicated tax system must significantly eat into any net increase in tax take from "catching" people who are here more days than they should be?
I don't know why we maintain such a convoluted and difficult to understand system. No wonder well meaning people like Rayner et al fall foul of this - it's barmy. [Post edited 11 Nov 14:44]
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Oh, I boo him all the time - even when he’s advising me on IHT! He’s a Newcastle following Geordie too so gets doubly booed and abused. Only fair.
Cost of administering tax regimes? sure it does eat into the take. It’s very complex and those that do the work require huge amounts of training and need experience to do the job properly.
I heard some years ago that the U.K. had double the number of taxes of any other country. |  | | |
| Morsy's Plans on 15:02 - Nov 11 with 1315 views | dirtyboy |
| Morsy's Plans on 14:57 - Nov 11 by Churchman |
Oh, I boo him all the time - even when he’s advising me on IHT! He’s a Newcastle following Geordie too so gets doubly booed and abused. Only fair.
Cost of administering tax regimes? sure it does eat into the take. It’s very complex and those that do the work require huge amounts of training and need experience to do the job properly.
I heard some years ago that the U.K. had double the number of taxes of any other country. |
Wait until the end of this month, could see tax on your tax to tax your tax with a spash of NI on top.
Enter RR. |  | | |
| Morsy's Plans on 15:13 - Nov 11 with 1294 views | nrb1985 |
| Morsy's Plans on 14:57 - Nov 11 by Churchman |
Oh, I boo him all the time - even when he’s advising me on IHT! He’s a Newcastle following Geordie too so gets doubly booed and abused. Only fair.
Cost of administering tax regimes? sure it does eat into the take. It’s very complex and those that do the work require huge amounts of training and need experience to do the job properly.
I heard some years ago that the U.K. had double the number of taxes of any other country. |
"I heard some years ago that the U.K. had double the number of taxes of any other country"
Doesn't surprise me, lunacy.
The old non dom regime with which I primarily worked with wasn't fit for purpose. Absurdly complicated trying to seperate gains and income etc etc. I thought when Hunt initially mentioned scrapping it that we would end up moving to an Italian style scheme. Alas, the new one is just as complicated and (in my view) will end up losing money for the exchequer.
A good booing definitely order. | | | |
| Morsy's Plans on 15:37 - Nov 11 with 1248 views | Churchman |
| Morsy's Plans on 15:13 - Nov 11 by nrb1985 |
"I heard some years ago that the U.K. had double the number of taxes of any other country"
Doesn't surprise me, lunacy.
The old non dom regime with which I primarily worked with wasn't fit for purpose. Absurdly complicated trying to seperate gains and income etc etc. I thought when Hunt initially mentioned scrapping it that we would end up moving to an Italian style scheme. Alas, the new one is just as complicated and (in my view) will end up losing money for the exchequer.
A good booing definitely order. |
That wouldn’t surprise me.
When looking at proposals, money raised or lost was always considered, hence employing experts - tax specialists, statisticians, economists you name it. The Minister would then be given costs/benefits as part of the scoping and he could then decide on whether it was to go ahead.
The tories stopped ‘doing experts’. The people who did the work were no longer allowed to even see the minister (Chancellor) or his junior dudes. The special advisor (SPOC) was the best you could hope for who would relate information, sanitise it or ignore it. The Minister knew best so they would decide. That’s how Truss and the Cabal fell down a hole. They refused to seek advice or do the prep work. Fag packet politics.
It’s not hard, thanks to politics, to see why numbers of taxes have grown. Smoke and mirrors. I don’t think they care whether they raise money or not when it comes to it. That would mean doing something for the benefit of the country when doing something for the benefit of themselves is far more important. | | | |
| Morsy's Plans on 15:38 - Nov 11 with 1246 views | BeachBlue |
| Morsy's Plans on 13:58 - Nov 11 by nrb1985 |
"I worked for HMRC!!!"
Booooooooooooooo.
Sorry, couldn't resist! |
Hey look Homer, the IRS!
BOOOOO!!!
Oh boo yourself. |  |
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| Morsy's Plans on 15:46 - Nov 11 with 1235 views | Churchman |
| Morsy's Plans on 15:38 - Nov 11 by BeachBlue |
Hey look Homer, the IRS!
BOOOOO!!!
Oh boo yourself. |
Booooo!
There’s a reason why I have Waldorf and Statler as my avatar. They can join in the booing!
“It was wonderful!"
"Bravo"
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"Well it wasn't bad..?"
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"It could have been a lot better!"
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| Not according to…. on 16:09 - Nov 11 with 1200 views | Bloots |
| Morsy's Plans on 14:40 - Nov 11 by nrb1985 |
Is he? |
….Mrs M’s instagram.
She’s still strolling around Kuwait buying clothes and make up, according to my missus (who’s into that sort of thing) |  |
| "I saw him at the match last week, what a legend. I was slightly overcome to be honest” - TWTD User (Nov 2025) |
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| Morsy's Plans on 16:13 - Nov 11 with 1185 views | Sarge |
| Morsy's Plans on 11:42 - Nov 11 by Guthrum |
Apart from a sentimental attachment to a good player and top Captain from the past, I'm not sure why people are so desperate to see Morsy return to Ipswich.
Things are now coming together in the new-look midfield, with younger players (notably Matusiwa, Taylor and Nunez) growing into their roles. Where does he fit, except as a reserve in case of injury crisis? What of O'Shea's development as Captain?
I know John Wark kept coming back, even into his late 30s, but he was among the greatest of all time, at the very top level. Much as I loved Morsy, he isn't that. Plus Wark was able to play in a number of positions, so had that useful flexibility to fill in.
Yes, McKenna has said he'd love Morsy to have stayed. But it didn't happen, so the club has been forced to move on. Players have been hired, structures rearranged, turning the clock back requires a complicated reset. And what of next season? Morsy will turn 35, won't have become more mobile, be even more vulnerable to the issues in the Prem (should we get there) which fans were grumbling about last time. Should we freeze out the future for a hopeful attempt to rerun the past? |
If Nunez continues to operate in the 10 (and he should IMO) then we only have 3 CM options and perhaps most crucially one who can play like Matusiwa. Things are improving a bit now but we’re still short of on-pitch leadership so I can’t see any downside to Morsy coming back. He can play the Matusiwa role in case of injury or suspension, he knows the club, and he’s a leader. All good things to me. | | | |
| Morsy's Plans on 20:15 - Nov 11 with 1085 views | Guthrum |
| Morsy's Plans on 16:13 - Nov 11 by Sarge |
If Nunez continues to operate in the 10 (and he should IMO) then we only have 3 CM options and perhaps most crucially one who can play like Matusiwa. Things are improving a bit now but we’re still short of on-pitch leadership so I can’t see any downside to Morsy coming back. He can play the Matusiwa role in case of injury or suspension, he knows the club, and he’s a leader. All good things to me. |
Except that if Morsy is reduced to Matusiwa's understudy (and assuming he'd be happy to do that) there wouldn't be the leadership benefit as he'd not be on the pitch.
In any case, we have quite a lot of options at CM, both actual and stand-in (Young and Humphreys can play there). |  |
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| Morsy's Plans on 05:44 - Nov 12 with 896 views | Perublue |
I wrote in a thread last month ..
Any idea what Sam Morsy is up to club wise now he’s left the kuwaití club ?
Phil wrote
Not club-wise, but he's in an Egypt squad for some friendlies ahead of the Arab Cup. Not a full international squad, but presumably he's involved as he's not playing club football until January.
https://en.africatopsports.com |  |
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| Morsy's Plans on 05:46 - Nov 12 with 890 views | Perublue |
| Morsy's Plans on 05:44 - Nov 12 by Perublue |
I wrote in a thread last month ..
Any idea what Sam Morsy is up to club wise now he’s left the kuwaití club ?
Phil wrote
Not club-wise, but he's in an Egypt squad for some friendlies ahead of the Arab Cup. Not a full international squad, but presumably he's involved as he's not playing club football until January.
https://en.africatopsports.com |
I think he had retired from the national team so this may be a path back in to being considered for the World Cup squad if he ends up somewhere noticeable from January and after the World Cup he could be even more marketable for Saudi | |
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| Morsy's Plans on 06:20 - Nov 12 with 876 views | Blue_Heath |
| Morsy's Plans on 11:42 - Nov 11 by Guthrum |
Apart from a sentimental attachment to a good player and top Captain from the past, I'm not sure why people are so desperate to see Morsy return to Ipswich.
Things are now coming together in the new-look midfield, with younger players (notably Matusiwa, Taylor and Nunez) growing into their roles. Where does he fit, except as a reserve in case of injury crisis? What of O'Shea's development as Captain?
I know John Wark kept coming back, even into his late 30s, but he was among the greatest of all time, at the very top level. Much as I loved Morsy, he isn't that. Plus Wark was able to play in a number of positions, so had that useful flexibility to fill in.
Yes, McKenna has said he'd love Morsy to have stayed. But it didn't happen, so the club has been forced to move on. Players have been hired, structures rearranged, turning the clock back requires a complicated reset. And what of next season? Morsy will turn 35, won't have become more mobile, be even more vulnerable to the issues in the Prem (should we get there) which fans were grumbling about last time. Should we freeze out the future for a hopeful attempt to rerun the past? |
All largely depends on whether Morsy wants to be a regular first team player. Personally I'd get him back for his behind the scenes leadership qualities, have him as a cover player but also incorporate him into the training side of things. | | | |
| Morsy's Plans on 09:59 - Nov 12 with 737 views | BloomBlue |
| Morsy's Plans on 12:10 - Nov 11 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Are you sure he's back in Wolverhampton? That would screw his tax status up royally. |
I thought he could only stay in Kuwait if he has a sponsor, ie a job, and as he doesn't have a job he cannot stay. |  | | |
| Morsy's Plans on 10:36 - Nov 12 with 690 views | nrb1985 |
| Morsy's Plans on 09:59 - Nov 12 by BloomBlue |
I thought he could only stay in Kuwait if he has a sponsor, ie a job, and as he doesn't have a job he cannot stay. |
Solely from the HMRC tax perspective it doesn't matter where he is as long as he's not in the UK.
He could go and be in Dubai, Dublin, Egypt, Outer Mongolia, Narnia etc. Just needs to make sure he doesn't become accidental tax resident somewhere else in the process! [Post edited 12 Nov 10:36]
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| Morsy's Plans on 11:25 - Nov 12 with 649 views | Guthrum |
| Morsy's Plans on 06:20 - Nov 12 by Blue_Heath |
All largely depends on whether Morsy wants to be a regular first team player. Personally I'd get him back for his behind the scenes leadership qualities, have him as a cover player but also incorporate him into the training side of things. |
Getting Morsy in on the coaching side makes more sense. Use his experience and leadership qualities, plus he seems (from interviews) to be a good communicator. But does he want to hang up his boots just yet?
Having him for cover means dropping someone else out of the 25-man squad. Who would that be, without either reducing coverage elsewhere or stunting the development of a younger player? It would, additionally, inhibit the possibility of strenghtening elsewhere on the pitch in January. | |
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| Morsy's Plans on 11:35 - Nov 12 with 626 views | bartyg |
| Morsy's Plans on 13:56 - Nov 11 by nrb1985 |
Bit more nuanced than that because for the split year treatment I think he has restrictions on how many days he can work once he returns (probably max 30). And the number of UK "ties" also means he may not qualify for the full 183 days if he owns a house here etc etc.
So, potentially, he could come back but don't think he could play again until after April 6th (and arguably couldn't even train in the UK before that either).
The above just goes to show what a ludicrously complicated system we have. We should just move to flat tax arrangement like Italy where people can pay 250k-500k pa and then just come and go as they want.
Much simpler and probably more lucrative. [Post edited 11 Nov 14:19]
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The problem with schemes like that is as soon as there is large take up you realise you've made a mistake! |  | | |
| Morsy's Plans on 11:39 - Nov 12 with 611 views | nrb1985 |
| Morsy's Plans on 11:35 - Nov 12 by bartyg |
The problem with schemes like that is as soon as there is large take up you realise you've made a mistake! |
Surely you want a large take up?
Italy just moved theirs from 200k pa to 300k pa so you can flex and tweak depending on demand.
We used to charge up to £90k pa for the old non dom scheme for 15 years. Reevs new scheme is 4 years for free and that's it, you need to leave.
Genius... | | | |
| Morsy's Plans on 12:28 - Nov 12 with 534 views | dirtyboy |
| Morsy's Plans on 11:35 - Nov 12 by bartyg |
The problem with schemes like that is as soon as there is large take up you realise you've made a mistake! |
Split year treatment would require a non-resident year for 26/27 as he left part way through 25/26. | | | |
| Morsy's Plans on 12:42 - Nov 12 with 521 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Morsy's Plans on 11:42 - Nov 11 by Guthrum |
Apart from a sentimental attachment to a good player and top Captain from the past, I'm not sure why people are so desperate to see Morsy return to Ipswich.
Things are now coming together in the new-look midfield, with younger players (notably Matusiwa, Taylor and Nunez) growing into their roles. Where does he fit, except as a reserve in case of injury crisis? What of O'Shea's development as Captain?
I know John Wark kept coming back, even into his late 30s, but he was among the greatest of all time, at the very top level. Much as I loved Morsy, he isn't that. Plus Wark was able to play in a number of positions, so had that useful flexibility to fill in.
Yes, McKenna has said he'd love Morsy to have stayed. But it didn't happen, so the club has been forced to move on. Players have been hired, structures rearranged, turning the clock back requires a complicated reset. And what of next season? Morsy will turn 35, won't have become more mobile, be even more vulnerable to the issues in the Prem (should we get there) which fans were grumbling about last time. Should we freeze out the future for a hopeful attempt to rerun the past? |
We have no cover for Matusiwa.
Taylor’s in great form but there’s no guarantee that form will last.
Cajuste has been a massive disappointment.
It’s a no brainer to bring him back imho. He wcould play equally alongside Matusiwa or as his replacement.
Whether it happens, I have no idea. | |
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| Morsy's Plans on 13:31 - Nov 12 with 476 views | portmanking |
Ahem.
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| Morsy's Plans on 13:36 - Nov 12 with 461 views | bartyg |
| Morsy's Plans on 11:39 - Nov 12 by nrb1985 |
Surely you want a large take up?
Italy just moved theirs from 200k pa to 300k pa so you can flex and tweak depending on demand.
We used to charge up to £90k pa for the old non dom scheme for 15 years. Reevs new scheme is 4 years for free and that's it, you need to leave.
Genius... |
People would only opt in if it's going to save them tax, which is a red flag from HMRC's perspective, no? | | | |
| Morsy's Plans on 15:09 - Nov 12 with 348 views | nrb1985 |
He’s either been terribly advised from a tax perspective or just absolutely loves the west mids.
I hope wherever he is he’s happy and made some good money from his little jaunt to the Middle East. | | | |
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