| Portman road atmosphere 07:20 - Nov 23 with 4101 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
Whose job is it to generate positivity and noise at PR? Is it down to the players to start off by playing great and scoring to get the crowd into the mood?
Or is it up to the fans to just sing and create noise that lifts the players to greater heights?
Because the Wrexham fans were right it was football in a library yesterday. From the SAR, we could barely hear a squeak out of Block A and the SBR.
I'm an old fella with a failing voice, hence sitting in the SAR. But in my younger days, ebven when the football was not great the North Stand would generate noise and help the team. Which is how it should be. It just seems now that way too many fans seem to think it's the team's job to get them excited, and only then to join in. If the fans can't help the team, we will get what we deserve like yesterday. |  |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 07:21 - Nov 23 with 2605 views | jasondozzell |
Agree. I genuinely think everyone has been spoilt or that they think football should always be like the last two years.
Boos at the end yesterday! Cmon. |  | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 07:26 - Nov 23 with 2556 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
In the North I didn't notice a problem with the levels of support... and I couldn't hear the Wrexham fans. I think it's more to do with poor acoustics than poor supporters, and with you being right next to the away fans you're obviously going to hear them better. |  |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 07:27 - Nov 23 with 2547 views | Swansea_Blue |
We’ve always been quiet, but it seems to me people these days are fairly precious and quick to down tools if they don’t get what they want. The boo culture is pretty prevalent at football clubs everywhere. People lack patience and resilience and it doesn’t seem unique to us.
I blame a lack of National Service lol (I don’t really) |  |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 07:29 - Nov 23 with 2538 views | Benters |
The North stand has never been as good since the rebuilding of it.Because of the road and houses outside it couldn’t have been a big old continuous stand either down to space.
Not only that but there are three other stands do they ever pipe up ?
Like I said In another thread yesterday I believe,I think we all thought yesterday would have been a goal fest and Wrexham would have been a easy home win. |  |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 07:34 - Nov 23 with 2520 views | Churchman |
| Portman road atmosphere on 07:26 - Nov 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
In the North I didn't notice a problem with the levels of support... and I couldn't hear the Wrexham fans. I think it's more to do with poor acoustics than poor supporters, and with you being right next to the away fans you're obviously going to hear them better. |
You are right Flash. The acoustics in the ground are poor. The design of the current NS hasn’t helped either. Sitting in the West stand to the left of the Directors as one looks out, I heard the North Stand alright. |  | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 08:21 - Nov 23 with 2318 views | Blue_Heath |
It was poor for the most part yesterday but the weather and recent home performances I wasn't totally surprised.
Thought the boos at the end may have been more prominent but quite muted.
Ultimately, 90% of the time the team need to show something. When we are in the ascendency possession wise and after 20 seconds eventually someone strolls over to take a corner or we have a free kick in their half it's sideways pass, back pass to the to the keeper it makes it tough. |  |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 08:32 - Nov 23 with 2284 views | ChateauWines |
I remember many seasons ago Joe Royle was asked this question. "Supporters of a football club. Clues in the name!" WWas his reply, always hit home. | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 08:34 - Nov 23 with 2254 views | WestSussexBlue |
| Portman road atmosphere on 07:21 - Nov 23 by jasondozzell |
Agree. I genuinely think everyone has been spoilt or that they think football should always be like the last two years.
Boos at the end yesterday! Cmon. |
Were there seriously idiots booing yesterday? | | | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 08:41 - Nov 23 with 2190 views | jasondozzell |
| Portman road atmosphere on 08:34 - Nov 23 by WestSussexBlue |
Were there seriously idiots booing yesterday? |
Yep. They were embarrassed boos too. Idiots! | | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 08:54 - Nov 23 with 2130 views | victorysquad |
We need a Kop stand and for the overall acoustic issue to be sorted once and for all. Clubs are now recognising how important this is, and how it is linked to team performance. But, I think (hope) Ashton is well aware of this issue, and has it at the forefront of his mind when designing the stadium plan moving forward.
Everton, Wrexham, Birmingham all designing acoustics into their designs and Coventry have great acoustics in their ground, and they are flying too, it helps, no doubt about it.
The challenge is, we can't just flatten our ground, so it is more complex to design it in now, but we have to fix it. We lose competitive advantage at home because of it. | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 09:00 - Nov 23 with 2085 views | Simonds92 |
| Portman road atmosphere on 07:26 - Nov 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
In the North I didn't notice a problem with the levels of support... and I couldn't hear the Wrexham fans. I think it's more to do with poor acoustics than poor supporters, and with you being right next to the away fans you're obviously going to hear them better. |
It was very very quiet in there, even when the teams walked out. We've been really poor all season as a fanbase. | | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 09:01 - Nov 23 with 2070 views | Benters |
| Portman road atmosphere on 09:00 - Nov 23 by Simonds92 |
It was very very quiet in there, even when the teams walked out. We've been really poor all season as a fanbase. |
Interesting. | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 09:08 - Nov 23 with 1994 views | bluefunk |
| Portman road atmosphere on 07:26 - Nov 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
In the North I didn't notice a problem with the levels of support... and I couldn't hear the Wrexham fans. I think it's more to do with poor acoustics than poor supporters, and with you being right next to the away fans you're obviously going to hear them better. |
Sorry but the North stand was very quiet yesterday and for that matter for some time. But that isn’t the bigger problem - it’s the reaction to certain players, yesterday Akpom’s substitution was greated with ironic cheers, against WBA it was Hurst. It seems that a significant proportion of the NS are just waiting for something or someone to moan at.
When will fans realise that no one does their best work when someone is looking over their shoulder and criticising everything they do. That said it’s been going on in the NS at least since Scowcroft made his debut |  | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 09:21 - Nov 23 with 1908 views | Jon_456 |
| Portman road atmosphere on 07:26 - Nov 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
In the North I didn't notice a problem with the levels of support... and I couldn't hear the Wrexham fans. I think it's more to do with poor acoustics than poor supporters, and with you being right next to the away fans you're obviously going to hear them better. |
The acoustics probably don’t help but it’s definitely the supporters in recent times.
We’ve all experienced PR bouncing and it can be really good when the fans are up for it.
Unfortunately consolidating all the ‘singers’ into block A has really killed the overall atmosphere across the entire ground. Stadium felt so flat and that was replicated in the performance on the pitch. | | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 09:28 - Nov 23 with 1884 views | Blue_Uprising |
I think there’s ideal and there’s reality.
Ideal is that every game the supporters make a huge noise and raise the atmosphere. Rain or shine, win lose or draw. But genuinely show me any English football league club where this happens.
Reality in England at least is that home game atmosphere almost always correlates to the play on the pitch and also very importantly the level of expectation of the anticipated result. There are clubs that are recognised as having great crowds and great stadiums - on average they will be better than Portman Road, but they will also be crap for long periods. Very very few are consistent.
A lot of home atmosphere across English football seem pretty poor.
Add in that a lot of grounds in the prem are getting a lot of tourists each game. And inside + outside the prem I’d be surprised if the average age of fans is not now much higher than it was in the 90’s for example.
Basically what I’m saying is we’ll be waiting a long time for the fans to consistently lift the players. In reality we will need the play on the pitch to drive a rocking and intimidating atmosphere these days. If clubs want to bring back more atmosphere a lot of things need to be done and work together - ticket pricing, stand design, safe standing, moving people, kick off times, did I say ticket pricing? Or just win a lot. |  | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 09:35 - Nov 23 with 1853 views | Ryorry |
| Portman road atmosphere on 09:21 - Nov 23 by Jon_456 |
The acoustics probably don’t help but it’s definitely the supporters in recent times.
We’ve all experienced PR bouncing and it can be really good when the fans are up for it.
Unfortunately consolidating all the ‘singers’ into block A has really killed the overall atmosphere across the entire ground. Stadium felt so flat and that was replicated in the performance on the pitch. |
I don’t know where the mics are placed, but apart from the first 15-20 minutes, yesterday was the first time this season that little home support could be heard on TownTV. The weather may not have helped, but that didn’t seem to deter Wrexham fans who definitely could be heard, esp in the last 10 minutes. |  |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 09:38 - Nov 23 with 1844 views | Smoresy |
I thought it was bad yesterday if I'm honest. For acoustic purposes I'm in the Cobbold, on the border of blocks B and C.
The first 20 minutes showed willing to be sure. Blue Action were plugging away. Two or three alternative songs emanated sporadically from the Lower North. Everywhere else was between silence and clapping as per. Meanwhile pitch events were pretty positive. Then a collective lull descended over everyone including on pitch, and at some point shortly afterwards Walton found himself pausing on the ball.
The rest of the first half was a blend of silence, groaning and jeering, punctuated by the occasional "come on Ipswich" and applause for nearby subs. This agitating was barely directed at the ref, it was a little at perceived time-wasting; mostly it was reserved for any Ipswich player passing backwards, and for Walton the second he received it. Walton felt the need to gesture to the North to get off his back as we approached 40 minutes; I suspect the defence was pleased we swap ends at HT.
Second half started in better fashion on pitch and in crowd, albeit there was little visible or audible interest from the North as players re-emerged from the tunnel. Soon after there was little to nothing in the way of positive chanting, but the mix was mostly silence and rallying cries. The boo at FT was timid, almost apologetic. The toxicity of the first half had been quelled by the switch of ends.
I left feeling that the crowd probably deserved a draw on balance, because the second half wasn't counter-productive. It was just bad in decibel levels and observable songs, which is normal for us when we aren't winning and the same may be said for much of the country. Quiet, modest support(-ish) is the norm this season and I hope to hear more of that next time around, as opposed to quiet and slightly destabilising. | | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 09:43 - Nov 23 with 1808 views | Herbivore |
The atmosphere has largely been crap all season. I've mentioned before, the north stand is full of ageing blokes who have had STs there for years who no longer want to sing. Some near me are actually offended by people making noise during the game. They were like it even during the two promotion seasons but there were enough others chipping in to compensate and actually generate a bit of noise. Now some of those are sitting on their hands the away fans aren't wrong when they sing about football in a library. It feels like unless we're battering teams playing champagne football, it's not going to be enough to rouse the home fans this season. Expectation kills hope and joy. |  |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 09:56 - Nov 23 with 1739 views | Ryorry |
| Portman road atmosphere on 09:35 - Nov 23 by Ryorry |
I don’t know where the mics are placed, but apart from the first 15-20 minutes, yesterday was the first time this season that little home support could be heard on TownTV. The weather may not have helped, but that didn’t seem to deter Wrexham fans who definitely could be heard, esp in the last 10 minutes. |
Again downvoted for reporting what the TownTV audio broadcast, despite others on this thread endorsing the point. | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 10:08 - Nov 23 with 1679 views | FlittonBlue |
What didnt help yesterday after 25-30 minutes of dominating play the restlessness when the ball was back with Walton and the team was resetting - which resulted in panic from Walton resulting in giving the ball away, which was the only time Wrexham looked like threatening...weird our own fans were Wrexhams best attacking threat yesterday!
I remember plenty of games 2 & 3 seasons ago when we struggled to break down teams that parked the bus...Ive also seen Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal etc etc struggle to break down sides over the last few years, we arent nothing special in that regard. We didnt get the reputation of lucky late goals for no reason, and a packed Portman Road roaring the side to the last minute had a lot to do with that.
Still, we arent in a bad league position - it was never going to be as easy as 70% of the fanbase seemed to think and a bit of reality checking may help over this exhausting run weve got coming up. Suspect (hope) the two away games this week will be different with the away fans giving their all as they do on every trip. | | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 10:08 - Nov 23 with 1676 views | Benters |
| Portman road atmosphere on 09:35 - Nov 23 by Ryorry |
I don’t know where the mics are placed, but apart from the first 15-20 minutes, yesterday was the first time this season that little home support could be heard on TownTV. The weather may not have helped, but that didn’t seem to deter Wrexham fans who definitely could be heard, esp in the last 10 minutes. |
It’s impossible to tell being at home and watching or listening according to our friend from the smoke !🤓😚 | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 10:13 - Nov 23 with 1656 views | Ryorry |
| Portman road atmosphere on 10:08 - Nov 23 by Benters |
It’s impossible to tell being at home and watching or listening according to our friend from the smoke !🤓😚 |
I was simply reporting what Town TV broadcast! | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 10:16 - Nov 23 with 1638 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Portman road atmosphere on 09:56 - Nov 23 by Ryorry |
Again downvoted for reporting what the TownTV audio broadcast, despite others on this thread endorsing the point. |
No. You're slagging off the support of our fans at a game that you weren't at.
As one of those supporters I take umbrage to that. Everyone's entitled to their view on the atmosphere ...if they were there. You've repeatedly said Wrexham's support was good and ours wasn't (or words to that effect) despite not being at the game. It is impossible to properly gauge the quality, or otherwise, of a team's support through a TV or a radio, because you have no input as to where the microphones are.
I didn't particularly notice the atmosphere one way or the other - neither great or terrible. Others are quite welcome to disagree if it wasn't up to their standards - if they were at the game. If you weren't at the game you have no business commenting on the atmosphere. | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 10:18 - Nov 23 with 1630 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Portman road atmosphere on 10:13 - Nov 23 by Ryorry |
I was simply reporting what Town TV broadcast! |
No you weren't. I mean, you've dressed it up like that, but clearly your posting on this topic is to diss the home support. | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 10:20 - Nov 23 with 1605 views | TractorWood |
| Portman road atmosphere on 07:27 - Nov 23 by Swansea_Blue |
We’ve always been quiet, but it seems to me people these days are fairly precious and quick to down tools if they don’t get what they want. The boo culture is pretty prevalent at football clubs everywhere. People lack patience and resilience and it doesn’t seem unique to us.
I blame a lack of National Service lol (I don’t really) |
Perhaps not a good excuse but the squad is mostly quite new and does lack any real leadership. To me, it's just a collection of young millionaires now working their way up the ladder.
With the old squad you got a load more than its sum of its parts because it had a real togetherness. To me, this is the biggest concern this season. If Philogene doesn't have a great game and Nunez doesn't get a free kick we are stuffed. |  |
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