| Away end last night was awful 16:41 - Nov 29 with 4653 views | SomethingBlue |
Firstly, the following *is not to excuse a defeat that occurred in a depressingly predictable manner*.
But it was incredibly bad in there – just nothing going on, utterly dead and passive, even in those moments when we were on top or had momentum. About five people near the back trying to start songs. Quite a lot of interest in booing and abusing individual players but a lot less in offering encouragement or responding to what positive cues were offered on the pitch. Obviously fair play to all shelling out to make that trip from Ipswich on a Friday night etc etc but I think our fanbase is losing its way somewhat, if I'm honest. Very sad. Perhaps it's partly attributable to the deep-down knowledge that nothing will ever beat May 2024 but I'd say we have a perspective issue and need to kick it. There seems to be zero tolerance for anything below perfection. [Post edited 29 Nov 16:48]
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| Away end last night was awful on 21:31 - Nov 29 with 1124 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Away end last night was awful on 21:19 - Nov 29 by SuffolkPunchFC |
This post so wonderfully illustrates the type of entitlement we seem to be suffering with a section of ‘fans’.
Hit Town with whatever unsubstantiated criticism possible.
Look at Luton last season.
Look at Sheffield United this season (still a parachute club)
Look where Southampton and Leicester are, AND remember how many years they were in the PL to build before their current struggles. Oh, and even the blades have spent 50% of the time in the PL over the last 6 years.
I’m not happy that we’re not top of the table, but I also understand we’re still playing catchup even after what we’ve spent the previous two years. I’m also confident it will come.
Entitlement is the only way to describe the behaviour of some people, and it’s time to understand by anyone behaving like this - you’re becoming part of the problem.
I know I’ll get downvotes from the usual suspects, but it’s about time they woke up and smelt the coffee. We’re not where we want to be, but add some context. |
Luton didnt spend on a championship dream team
The other clubs have had managerial changes
Leicester sold some stars. Lost vardy. Didn't spend in summer. Internal issues
Ipswich. Favourites by all media. Bookies. Managed by a guy everyone raves as the best young manager in the game.
Yet the problem you see is 'fans' believing that going into December we as town fans should really be seeing a side with an identity and a style of play that follows kms own talked up pattern of exciting winning football.
The problem isn't the fans who mumble. Its not the fans that cheer. There actually isn't a problem. J2 mentions normal. This is all nornal. There are different levels and different fans with variable opinions. One side is right to those who believe that side. The other side is right for those that feel that side.
For me. Im seeing how the season goes thats all we can do
I do feel this side isn't as good as the money spent on it.
Its interesting when you watch town games on sky when town arent winning. They all comment on our squad. The depth. The scoring power within it. To most people its definitely a shock this season so far how we have performed. [Post edited 29 Nov 21:34]
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| Away end last night was awful on 21:59 - Nov 29 with 1069 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Away end last night was awful on 21:31 - Nov 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Luton didnt spend on a championship dream team
The other clubs have had managerial changes
Leicester sold some stars. Lost vardy. Didn't spend in summer. Internal issues
Ipswich. Favourites by all media. Bookies. Managed by a guy everyone raves as the best young manager in the game.
Yet the problem you see is 'fans' believing that going into December we as town fans should really be seeing a side with an identity and a style of play that follows kms own talked up pattern of exciting winning football.
The problem isn't the fans who mumble. Its not the fans that cheer. There actually isn't a problem. J2 mentions normal. This is all nornal. There are different levels and different fans with variable opinions. One side is right to those who believe that side. The other side is right for those that feel that side.
For me. Im seeing how the season goes thats all we can do
I do feel this side isn't as good as the money spent on it.
Its interesting when you watch town games on sky when town arent winning. They all comment on our squad. The depth. The scoring power within it. To most people its definitely a shock this season so far how we have performed. [Post edited 29 Nov 21:34]
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You suggested that we’re doing far worse than normal for a parachute club, with no caveats. I countered that with context.
Note, Vardy left as did Delap. Quid pro quo.
What does the media view matter - do we now suddenly see them as the oracles on the game? Many on the forum argued for tempering expectations before the season began. Hope for a great season is not the same as expecting it - and much of the negativity on here is clearly based on what those individuals ‘expected’.
And it’s not as if we’re in a terrible position. Yes, it could still go either way, but on the balance of probabilities I still expect us to be in the promotion chase. I’m ok with that for now - what I really care about is the stability of the club, and where we’ve built to in five years time. | | | |
| Away end last night was awful on 22:10 - Nov 29 with 1042 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Away end last night was awful on 21:59 - Nov 29 by SuffolkPunchFC |
You suggested that we’re doing far worse than normal for a parachute club, with no caveats. I countered that with context.
Note, Vardy left as did Delap. Quid pro quo.
What does the media view matter - do we now suddenly see them as the oracles on the game? Many on the forum argued for tempering expectations before the season began. Hope for a great season is not the same as expecting it - and much of the negativity on here is clearly based on what those individuals ‘expected’.
And it’s not as if we’re in a terrible position. Yes, it could still go either way, but on the balance of probabilities I still expect us to be in the promotion chase. I’m ok with that for now - what I really care about is the stability of the club, and where we’ve built to in five years time. |
Vardy was influential for Leicester for many years. Delap leaving isn't even close imo.
And yeah the 'norm' for a parachute club is to be towards the top of the table. The norm for a parachute club is to be going into December fully upto it.
Chucking out a few clubs who haven't doesn't erase years of parachute club history.
Plus give it 3 weeks and southamton most likely will be ahead of us anyway as they didn't accept not performing to a standard a parachute club should.
Did clubs like Luton fk it up. Absolutely. But thats for their fans to moan about same with sheff utd. I doubt those fans said them struggling was normal..
I could be dead in any of those 5 years so Id like us to get back to prem with the finances weve obtained to achieve it Asap:) | |
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| Away end last night was awful on 22:12 - Nov 29 with 1038 views | Churchman |
| Away end last night was awful on 21:13 - Nov 29 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Even if some valid points amongst it.
You said game changer you sell up because our support is truly awful, don’t expect to post such rubbish and not get push back. It can be a bit groany if things aren’t going well but turns up in numbers is generally fine, if a bit quiet when we are not winning. It’s hardly super toxic like many fanbases, a few of you just get very upset at any criticism.
Sell up because of our fans, I’ve heard it all now. |
You are on here rain or shine after a poor result. You and the Sketchley crew. When you can show me another club that heckles players before they take to the field in a friendly, or where a father pleads with supporters to leave his son alone to give but two examples I might agree.
AAH received nothing but support at Stoke. Because whatever his limitations he was trying. What did the bloke get here? Audible ridicule. I was there and heard it. Muric - condemned after one game. Playing better now. Funny that. Must be the weather. You wouldn’t even get that at Spurs or West Ham and I’ve seen what their lot can do.
So please tell me what is not toxic about some of our fanbase at the moment? Please also tell me how that helps? Please tell me how banging on about how much a player cost (despite that having nothing to do with that) helps, encourages or generates anything but misery?
There’s nothing wrong with criticising performances and what the team is doing. We were poor last night. Nothing disguises that, but don’t you dare in your wildest dreams think that yours and the bedwetters disappointment exceeds that of those who try to take a more balanced view, because it doesn’t.
With criticism and disappointment some try and look at sensible solutions and suggestions. Some even try and remember the bigger picture. Some even accept that in anything nothing goes linear smoothly. But then why bother thinking when you can enjoy negativity, groundless criticism, outright misinformation and hope for more next game?
Lastly, don’t forget how important the owners have seen the fanbase to date and don’t for a minute think they are not fully aware of things like social media.
So, a straw man - If they sell say in the summer, they’ll profit far more than they’ve spent and could buy Sheffield W for £100m and have plenty of change and considerably more potential. You might have ‘heard it all’, but the Americans are not here for the love of Suffolk. |  | | |
| Away end last night was awful on 22:24 - Nov 29 with 1008 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Away end last night was awful on 22:12 - Nov 29 by Churchman |
You are on here rain or shine after a poor result. You and the Sketchley crew. When you can show me another club that heckles players before they take to the field in a friendly, or where a father pleads with supporters to leave his son alone to give but two examples I might agree.
AAH received nothing but support at Stoke. Because whatever his limitations he was trying. What did the bloke get here? Audible ridicule. I was there and heard it. Muric - condemned after one game. Playing better now. Funny that. Must be the weather. You wouldn’t even get that at Spurs or West Ham and I’ve seen what their lot can do.
So please tell me what is not toxic about some of our fanbase at the moment? Please also tell me how that helps? Please tell me how banging on about how much a player cost (despite that having nothing to do with that) helps, encourages or generates anything but misery?
There’s nothing wrong with criticising performances and what the team is doing. We were poor last night. Nothing disguises that, but don’t you dare in your wildest dreams think that yours and the bedwetters disappointment exceeds that of those who try to take a more balanced view, because it doesn’t.
With criticism and disappointment some try and look at sensible solutions and suggestions. Some even try and remember the bigger picture. Some even accept that in anything nothing goes linear smoothly. But then why bother thinking when you can enjoy negativity, groundless criticism, outright misinformation and hope for more next game?
Lastly, don’t forget how important the owners have seen the fanbase to date and don’t for a minute think they are not fully aware of things like social media.
So, a straw man - If they sell say in the summer, they’ll profit far more than they’ve spent and could buy Sheffield W for £100m and have plenty of change and considerably more potential. You might have ‘heard it all’, but the Americans are not here for the love of Suffolk. |
You might want to have a look around other clubs socials if you think its all only done at town
Maguires dad had things to say
Son at spurs had fans going at him
Norwich fans the other day booed one coming on and cheered when he went off.
I do agree with you however the muric Al hamadi stuff was wrong. But its still an unfortunate part of football that happens everywhere. Its wrong to tarnish towns support like its the worst in the country. If it was that bad the owners wouldn't have bought it to begin with.
Anyways like I said the other day
90% of those in attendance will sing or sit quietly for 90 minutes. 10% will moan and jeer. That is normal. You've got supporters you've got fans. Mixed in together.
You've got a few thousands town fans who returned in 23. We won 1 home game all last season and only 4 at home so far this season. It took us a month or so to win an away game this season. The 90% will be happy no matter what. The 10% are used to success and only returned because of it. | |
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| Away end last night was awful on 23:21 - Nov 29 with 954 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Away end last night was awful on 22:10 - Nov 29 by FrimleyBlue |
Vardy was influential for Leicester for many years. Delap leaving isn't even close imo.
And yeah the 'norm' for a parachute club is to be towards the top of the table. The norm for a parachute club is to be going into December fully upto it.
Chucking out a few clubs who haven't doesn't erase years of parachute club history.
Plus give it 3 weeks and southamton most likely will be ahead of us anyway as they didn't accept not performing to a standard a parachute club should.
Did clubs like Luton fk it up. Absolutely. But thats for their fans to moan about same with sheff utd. I doubt those fans said them struggling was normal..
I could be dead in any of those 5 years so Id like us to get back to prem with the finances weve obtained to achieve it Asap:) |
So you don’t think losing Delap massively weakened us? IMO that’s delusional.
You’re still missing the context of how (relatively) established the other parachute teams were, excepting Luton. We’re far more like a Luton - check their journey if you’re not convinced. In many ways it’s more amazing than ours, until last year.
Incidentally, if we win on Tuesday (and I accept it’s a big if for now), we’ll be pretty much where many parachute clubs were in December ie 3rd. So at best, your comment is premature. | | | |
| Away end last night was awful on 23:31 - Nov 29 with 920 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Away end last night was awful on 23:21 - Nov 29 by SuffolkPunchFC |
So you don’t think losing Delap massively weakened us? IMO that’s delusional.
You’re still missing the context of how (relatively) established the other parachute teams were, excepting Luton. We’re far more like a Luton - check their journey if you’re not convinced. In many ways it’s more amazing than ours, until last year.
Incidentally, if we win on Tuesday (and I accept it’s a big if for now), we’ll be pretty much where many parachute clubs were in December ie 3rd. So at best, your comment is premature. |
Weakened us compared to what? We didnt have him when we won promotion. He was a minor plus point in a drab prem season. So no us losing someone after 1 season is not the same as a club losing a striker after... numbers of years.
My comment isn't premature my main point as I've said in this thread is going into December with no identity. Our results are scrappy and I feel it shouldn't take this long to see a much higher level of performance.
Anyways off to bed now. Nighty night. | |
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| Away end last night was awful on 23:33 - Nov 29 with 907 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Away end last night was awful on 22:12 - Nov 29 by Churchman |
You are on here rain or shine after a poor result. You and the Sketchley crew. When you can show me another club that heckles players before they take to the field in a friendly, or where a father pleads with supporters to leave his son alone to give but two examples I might agree.
AAH received nothing but support at Stoke. Because whatever his limitations he was trying. What did the bloke get here? Audible ridicule. I was there and heard it. Muric - condemned after one game. Playing better now. Funny that. Must be the weather. You wouldn’t even get that at Spurs or West Ham and I’ve seen what their lot can do.
So please tell me what is not toxic about some of our fanbase at the moment? Please also tell me how that helps? Please tell me how banging on about how much a player cost (despite that having nothing to do with that) helps, encourages or generates anything but misery?
There’s nothing wrong with criticising performances and what the team is doing. We were poor last night. Nothing disguises that, but don’t you dare in your wildest dreams think that yours and the bedwetters disappointment exceeds that of those who try to take a more balanced view, because it doesn’t.
With criticism and disappointment some try and look at sensible solutions and suggestions. Some even try and remember the bigger picture. Some even accept that in anything nothing goes linear smoothly. But then why bother thinking when you can enjoy negativity, groundless criticism, outright misinformation and hope for more next game?
Lastly, don’t forget how important the owners have seen the fanbase to date and don’t for a minute think they are not fully aware of things like social media.
So, a straw man - If they sell say in the summer, they’ll profit far more than they’ve spent and could buy Sheffield W for £100m and have plenty of change and considerably more potential. You might have ‘heard it all’, but the Americans are not here for the love of Suffolk. |
What a load of nonsense Churchman. I’m on here rain and shine after a good result as well! I barely missed a match for about a decade before I moved abroad. So maybe tone down your heat towards me for not being a good fan just because I have an opinion after a match or on a recruitment strategy. I’ve given plenty of credit when warranted and still think we could have a decent year but am I happy about the way this season has gone overall? Not really.
When I get to games, the team will always have my full support, I wouldn’t ever boo, even at FT if I thought we’d been rubbish.
However, I’d see TWTD as a normal place to talk about performance/recruitment etc.
Every fanbase has a few idiots, Ipswich are hardly towards the top of that list.
You seem quite bitter and angry towards people recently. |  |
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| Away end last night was awful on 23:34 - Nov 29 with 909 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Away end last night was awful on 22:12 - Nov 29 by Churchman |
You are on here rain or shine after a poor result. You and the Sketchley crew. When you can show me another club that heckles players before they take to the field in a friendly, or where a father pleads with supporters to leave his son alone to give but two examples I might agree.
AAH received nothing but support at Stoke. Because whatever his limitations he was trying. What did the bloke get here? Audible ridicule. I was there and heard it. Muric - condemned after one game. Playing better now. Funny that. Must be the weather. You wouldn’t even get that at Spurs or West Ham and I’ve seen what their lot can do.
So please tell me what is not toxic about some of our fanbase at the moment? Please also tell me how that helps? Please tell me how banging on about how much a player cost (despite that having nothing to do with that) helps, encourages or generates anything but misery?
There’s nothing wrong with criticising performances and what the team is doing. We were poor last night. Nothing disguises that, but don’t you dare in your wildest dreams think that yours and the bedwetters disappointment exceeds that of those who try to take a more balanced view, because it doesn’t.
With criticism and disappointment some try and look at sensible solutions and suggestions. Some even try and remember the bigger picture. Some even accept that in anything nothing goes linear smoothly. But then why bother thinking when you can enjoy negativity, groundless criticism, outright misinformation and hope for more next game?
Lastly, don’t forget how important the owners have seen the fanbase to date and don’t for a minute think they are not fully aware of things like social media.
So, a straw man - If they sell say in the summer, they’ll profit far more than they’ve spent and could buy Sheffield W for £100m and have plenty of change and considerably more potential. You might have ‘heard it all’, but the Americans are not here for the love of Suffolk. |
Hear, hear! |  |
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| Away end last night was awful on 04:06 - Nov 30 with 802 views | witchdoctor |
yes..I thought our lot weren’t all that on Friday night..different kettle of fish compared to Tuesday whenI I thought our fans were quality throughout..maybe the design of the stand helped acoustically… |  | | |
| Away end last night was awful on 07:08 - Nov 30 with 737 views | Benters |
I believe a lot of our fan base believe we can just roll up to places like Oxford and they will just roll over.They also think we are better than we actually are.
Playoffs at best for me. [Post edited 30 Nov 7:28]
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| Away end last night was awful on 07:58 - Nov 30 with 694 views | tractorshark |
| Away end last night was awful on 07:08 - Nov 30 by Benters |
I believe a lot of our fan base believe we can just roll up to places like Oxford and they will just roll over.They also think we are better than we actually are.
Playoffs at best for me. [Post edited 30 Nov 7:28]
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Spot on about the arrogance and expectation.
Two things stand out…
Individually and as a team, we’re not as good as people think we are.
And the Championship will kick you up the a**e if you don’t do the basics and put the effort in.
On Friday, only one team wanted to do the hard graft of winning second balls etc. We were much better than them in most areas but we didn’t match their desire.
That said, I still think the top two is attainable. This is a bang average Championship division. But we have to get our act together before other teams like Southampton do. | | | |
| Away end last night was awful on 08:48 - Nov 30 with 650 views | Benters |
| Away end last night was awful on 07:58 - Nov 30 by tractorshark |
Spot on about the arrogance and expectation.
Two things stand out…
Individually and as a team, we’re not as good as people think we are.
And the Championship will kick you up the a**e if you don’t do the basics and put the effort in.
On Friday, only one team wanted to do the hard graft of winning second balls etc. We were much better than them in most areas but we didn’t match their desire.
That said, I still think the top two is attainable. This is a bang average Championship division. But we have to get our act together before other teams like Southampton do. |
Well it’s very wide open at the moment isn’t it. | |
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| Away end last night was awful on 10:20 - Nov 30 with 563 views | bournemouthblue |
The away end sounded really loud at the start of the game on the telly |  |
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| Away end last night was awful on 11:14 - Nov 30 with 522 views | Benters |
| Away end last night was awful on 10:20 - Nov 30 by bournemouthblue |
The away end sounded really loud at the start of the game on the telly |
You can judge it like that can you flash 😂🤓👍 | |
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| Away end last night was awful on 11:25 - Nov 30 with 487 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Away end last night was awful on 11:14 - Nov 30 by Benters |
You can judge it like that can you flash 😂🤓👍 |
Indeed. Which is why I made that point one page 1 (and you weirdly downvoted it). |  |
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| Away end last night was awful on 11:43 - Nov 30 with 470 views | Benters |
| Away end last night was awful on 11:25 - Nov 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Indeed. Which is why I made that point one page 1 (and you weirdly downvoted it). |
True story. | |
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| Away end last night was awful on 12:34 - Nov 30 with 403 views | Blue_Moses |
I only went fo Forest away last season for the league game and it was one of (if not) the worst away support I've seen in 30 years of following town. | | | |
| Away end last night was awful on 12:39 - Nov 30 with 393 views | Blue_Moses |
| Away end last night was awful on 18:13 - Nov 29 by J2BLUE |
After years of a sugar rush and last year's crash I think 'normal' just feels too boring for some.
Some people need to remember it's a marathon, not a sprint.
We'll be fine. In many ways our biggest danger is the fans turning. We need to beat Blackburn. If not, a difficult home game potentially turns toxic. |
What has that got to do with crowd noise? I went to nearly every away game between 96 and 2010 and our away support was always amazing, regardless of where we had previously been in the league | | | |
| Away end last night was awful on 12:57 - Nov 30 with 356 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Away end last night was awful on 20:45 - Nov 29 by Churchman |
Our support is dreadful. Truly awful. Perhaps the most entitled, miserable and feeble in the league. It doesn’t help the team, but the perpetrators know that and enjoy misery all the more.
If I was Gamechanger I’d finish the training ground and sell and take the well earned profit. There are much better clubs out there with much greater potential support, not least Wednesday. |
It’s not exclusive to our support, it’s society generally unfortunately. Everything is black or white, amazing or shit. In this country, we live our daily lives with instant gratification at our finger tips and everything is expected ‘now’. Perspective has gone out of the window in all walks of life not just the trivial domain of football.
In my experience, the younger the person, the more the above is an engrained problem. [Post edited 30 Nov 12:58]
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| Away end last night was awful on 12:59 - Nov 30 with 347 views | billlm |
| Away end last night was awful on 18:30 - Nov 29 by FrimleyBlue |
J2 is it right to call his normal with what we have spent.
If we'd been a stable champ side with the promoted team not going up and this was the season we were going through id have said thats normal.
But its not really normal for a parachute club to go into December still looking like a side whos got no identity is it?
Spending what was it £150 mill last summer.. to the club they say to give us a chance of staying up which it didnt have a hope but the minimum would have been to hit the ground running this season. |
We got it so wrong last look at Sunderland pretty safe already I'd say,
We spent a lot on players with an eye on go down easily come back up with the supposed talent we brought and parachute money,
Were way off it ATM,
Lots of work to do within this squad, |  | | |
| Away end last night was awful on 13:03 - Nov 30 with 347 views | Benters |
| Away end last night was awful on 11:25 - Nov 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Indeed. Which is why I made that point one page 1 (and you weirdly downvoted it). |
My post missed out the T in can =can’t 😂 | |
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| Away end last night was awful on 13:53 - Nov 30 with 282 views | Churchman |
| Away end last night was awful on 12:59 - Nov 30 by billlm |
We got it so wrong last look at Sunderland pretty safe already I'd say,
We spent a lot on players with an eye on go down easily come back up with the supposed talent we brought and parachute money,
Were way off it ATM,
Lots of work to do within this squad, |
You look at Sunderland, I’ll look at just about every promoted team since the year 2000 play off winners. And Sunderland came from a stable situation having had three years in the Championship, first class facilities and even a training ground. But don’t let that spoil the narrative.
The club faced a choice. Trouser the cash and go for Poundland McCarthy punt buys Norwich style - ars@ in the air. Or give it a go. Yes, they made some horrendous mistakes, in particular in midfield recruitment. But they at least tried. Gave it a go and I can live with that.
Of course we have spent a lot relative to most of the rest of this division and of course just about everybody thought we’d be better than we are. But we are where we are. People started waving Southampton about recently (subtext - unload McKenna and get a new manager bounce) until yesterday after they lost at Millwall reserves. And it was there reserves. I was with a Millwall ST holder Monday and they really are down to Redknapp’s bare bones.
But I do agree, there is lots of work to do.
Why people have to use other clubs to beat this one up is a bit beyond me. I couldn’t care a less how Sunderland are doing beyond being pleased for two mackem mates of mine. Or Saints, Darlington, Coventry or Woking. I don’t care what was spent either. Firstly it’s not my money, secondly I don’t know what the going rate is and thirdly, the CEO and his crew will be held accountable by the owners and the dearest wish of some of them out on their ear may well be fulfilled. Since when did Americans mess about? | | | |
| Away end last night was awful on 13:55 - Nov 30 with 261 views | ArnieM |
OP: tbh theres nothing much to get excited about watching Town with our current style of football. That's ive said those going to Blackburn Tues deserve a medal and certainly have my utmost respect. We're boring to watch these days ( slow, predictable) |  |
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| Away end last night was awful on 14:54 - Nov 30 with 202 views | ElGuaje4 |
Unused all game |  | | |
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