| What on earth has gone wrong? 21:46 - Dec 2 with 2830 views | BouncebackIpswich |
How do you go from one of the most promising young managers in the game to one dimensional and out of ideas in the space of what a year?
Also how on earth do you explain the appalling scattergun recruitment decisions over 2 seasons and all the money wasted on dross?
Finally what on earth has happened to the team morale and spirit?
Something just seems totally off at the club.im not even sure sacking the manager is the answer, he could just be the tip of the iceberg. It's like a totally different club to the one that went up. |  | | |  |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 08:11 - Dec 3 with 438 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 07:39 - Dec 3 by EddyJ |
Why has he not done it again then? Why have we been so awful for 18 months?
Lots of managers get lucky once in their careers. They happen across a formation or a group of players that just clicks. Good managers can do it more than once. They can succeed with different sets of players, different formations and different situations.
And calling Morsy "bang average" under Cook is also rewriting history. He looked our best player in a disjointed Cook team. Let's not forget that Morsy was promoted 6 (six!) times in his career. |
Sam Morsy was promoted from League one to the championship and played for lots of mid table championship teams and if anyone said he would be a premier league captain one day you would have been laughed out the room. He was no world beater under cook.Maybe he looked better than Tom Carroll but McKenna bettered his game tenfold and the rest.
Last 18 months. Maybe it’s because we went up to the premier with a squad miles off the level and then we signed a bunch of lightweight championship players miles off the level of the premier league. We can blame McKenna for the recruitment if we want but seeing as our recruitment team didn’t get out England it’s fair to say we didn’t have a sufficient scouting network in place. McKenna not equipped for the premier league with that squad.
This year has been poor. No sugar coating it and if we were 16th and drifting off maybe this conversation would be different. But we are not. We can roll the dice now, appoint Will Still or Michael Carrick who then inherit this unbalanced, unathletic team. Or we can have a bit more patience with a manager who’s firstly done a lot for the club and secondly is still evidently the best option for the football club.
We aren’t going to agree because it is evident that in your eyes, all the good stuff McKenna did was a fluke and all the bad stuff is on him. Funny that. |  |
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| What on earth has gone wrong? on 08:16 - Dec 3 with 416 views | jas0999 |
It can happen. We saw it with Burley to an extent. Doing great on a decent, modest budget, but when had more money to spend it all went wrong. This really reminds me of the Burley days. |  | | |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 08:22 - Dec 3 with 393 views | dirtyboy |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 08:16 - Dec 3 by jas0999 |
It can happen. We saw it with Burley to an extent. Doing great on a decent, modest budget, but when had more money to spend it all went wrong. This really reminds me of the Burley days. |
I just feel most of these players don't have the extra yard in them.
Knocked off ball or slip, slow to get back up, not enough fight.
As someone mentioned, i've got no issues when a player doesn't necessarily have the quality, but you have to outwork the opposition, it was what we did, every single week in both promotion seasons. Not seen that this season from the team, too much emphasis on individuals. |  | | |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 08:27 - Dec 3 with 375 views | cressi |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 21:57 - Dec 2 by Blue_Heath |
One trick pony and the game has moved on his tactics haven't.
He thinks he's playing PL football but reality is Man City just signed a goalkeeper to save shots not fanny about at the back, football is changing opposition managers have worked out tippy, tappy teams. |
Football never really changes as the the late Brian Clough said you adapt top players adapt all this gelling Football is simple made difficult. | | | |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 08:36 - Dec 3 with 355 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Maybe there's not a lot wrong. We won 2-0 away a couple of games ago and 4-1 away a couple of games before that. Maybe we've just had a few iffy performances, which happens in football sometimes, and some are prematurely losing their sh!t about it. |  |
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| What on earth has gone wrong? on 08:57 - Dec 3 with 321 views | Pinewoodblue |
I don’t think any of us know enough about what goes on behind closed doors, all we can do is speculate.
Management is very much a team game and to me KMc seems lost, his body language is terrible. You can’t motivate players while standing in the technical area with your hands in your pockets.
Sending players back out at half time early doesn’t seem to hrlp either. |  |
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| What on earth has gone wrong? on 09:01 - Dec 3 with 317 views | iamatractorboy |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 21:51 - Dec 2 by DavoIPB |
He has been a good manager but was awful in the premier league. Far too easily outthought. We were very lucky promotion season. We scored a lot of late goals and relied on a Leeds fall away. We finished second in league1 behind Plymouth with a very expensive league one side. Tactically I think he is really poor and not sure what we work on in the training ground as our players seem to get worse each week and seem more disjointed each week. |
Scoring late goals is not luck. Honestly this is one of my pet peeves, why are late goals considered more fortunate than at any other time? Genuine question. | | | |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 09:18 - Dec 3 with 264 views | Wright1 |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 21:51 - Dec 2 by DavoIPB |
He has been a good manager but was awful in the premier league. Far too easily outthought. We were very lucky promotion season. We scored a lot of late goals and relied on a Leeds fall away. We finished second in league1 behind Plymouth with a very expensive league one side. Tactically I think he is really poor and not sure what we work on in the training ground as our players seem to get worse each week and seem more disjointed each week. |
I'm sorry but to dismiss the Championship Promotion season as "lucky" is ridiculous. Did we have moments of luck? Of course - every team needs those - but you don't accrue that number of points through sheer luck alone. Leeds faltered, that isn't lucky, it means we were better than them. We got late goals but a lot of that was due to the grit, determination, team spirit that was cultivated by McKenna (and yes, sometimes tactics and substitutions too) | | | |
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| What on earth has gone wrong? on 09:35 - Dec 3 with 247 views | Churchman |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 07:48 - Dec 3 by stiff_talking |
Same reason we won the Battle of Britain. We knew where the German planes were and were ready
To defend our island. McKenna same weekly tactics have been worked out. The players are following the game plan and it’s not working. |
Same reason we won the Battle of Britain???
Not the most accurate apology I’ve ever heard and hardly the most insightful description of the events of 1940. Oh well.
So 20 people have stepped up and nailed their sack McKenna flags to the mast, including a Leicester fan. Remember Charlton and Curbishley? ‘He’s taken us as far as he can’. Tears of rage. That’s not a myth. I heard it. I worked with a few Charlton fans and went to a couple of games with one of them. The discontent was similar but nowhere near the toxicity of this club’s supporters.
The Charlton faithful got their heartfelt wish, just as many on here will get their’s by season’s end or at seasons end.
Somebody even suggested Chambers as manager. Stunning. One expert wants losses cut and Philogene and Clarke out of the door for starters (let’s ignore the goals and assists) and essentially the L1 team back.
Even poor old Hirst is getting the treatment. He’s not having the best of seasons but chalking off one of his goals because it was a penalty was a bit mean. All late goals don’t count. The wins don’t count because the opposition were poor. Matusiwa - cr@p. He’s not. £200m was spent to produce this team. Saints spent nothing. Neither are correct, but let’s not spoil the story.
Nobody is saying the last few games haven’t been disappointing. My minimum hope was 7 points from the last 4 games and we are short. The team isn’t cohesive and is not playing well. It lacks balance, punch and I don’t like this squad rotation thing.
But some of the nonsense on here is tinpot; off the scale. McKenna out? BCWYWF |  | | |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 09:53 - Dec 3 with 221 views | Luk38644 |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 22:46 - Dec 2 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
The promotion was in spite of him ? People are upvoting that ?
My goodness.
McKenna took a bunch of EFL journeymen and vastly inexperienced young players to the premier league. Playing glorious football, he was proactive with his substitutions, he created an incredible culture where the plays ran though brick walls for him. Sam Morsy was bang average under Paul Cook, McKenna took him up levels to the point where Sam Morsy was Captain of a premier league side at 33 years old.
I like how you said he chanced upon a formation as opposed to giving him credit for implementing that formation lol.
Embarrassing that people are willing to rewrite history like that. Pretty disrespectful if you ask me . [Post edited 2 Dec 22:48]
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This.
Can't believe people are saying we did a double promotion in spite of the manager - you suggest that to any of the promotion squad and see what their reaction is, they'd call you crazy!
KM is building a completely new side and it's unfortunately not happening as quickly or smoothly as he'd like, he admitted as much last night, but got to have faith in him to see where it's going wrong and turn this corner - if we can, we'll be right up there, if we don't, I'm sure questions will be asked behind the scenes regardless of what any of us think.
I've still got complete faith in KM, I actually think the very expensive players are letting him down at the moment. Need a few of them to stand up and be counted. |  | | |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 10:02 - Dec 3 with 196 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 22:47 - Dec 2 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You're not looking at the whole pie Jenny. (some of these may be linked)
70% Recruitment
10% Players Performance
10% Coach
5% luck
3% Moaning fans at games
1% Failed Superstitions
1% TWTD negativity |
I don't have time for the pie thing. |  |
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| What on earth has gone wrong? on 10:09 - Dec 3 with 180 views | algy |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 09:18 - Dec 3 by Wright1 |
I'm sorry but to dismiss the Championship Promotion season as "lucky" is ridiculous. Did we have moments of luck? Of course - every team needs those - but you don't accrue that number of points through sheer luck alone. Leeds faltered, that isn't lucky, it means we were better than them. We got late goals but a lot of that was due to the grit, determination, team spirit that was cultivated by McKenna (and yes, sometimes tactics and substitutions too) |
I wouldn't say we were lucky but head to head Leeds were better than us, comfortably beat us twice, but as the song said "Leeds are falling apart, again" against lesser teams. We didn't fall apart so got automatic promotion rather than the lottery of the playoffs. | |
| Veni Vidi Participatur. Now we can get back to competing. |
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| What on earth has gone wrong? on 10:22 - Dec 3 with 161 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 09:53 - Dec 3 by Luk38644 |
This.
Can't believe people are saying we did a double promotion in spite of the manager - you suggest that to any of the promotion squad and see what their reaction is, they'd call you crazy!
KM is building a completely new side and it's unfortunately not happening as quickly or smoothly as he'd like, he admitted as much last night, but got to have faith in him to see where it's going wrong and turn this corner - if we can, we'll be right up there, if we don't, I'm sure questions will be asked behind the scenes regardless of what any of us think.
I've still got complete faith in KM, I actually think the very expensive players are letting him down at the moment. Need a few of them to stand up and be counted. |
I remember lots of that Edmundson, Chaplin, Morsy off the top of my head making a point in interviews that McKenna was the genius who had all the answers.
I get people are frustrated, I get people want success instantly. I want promotion out of this league as much as the next man. But as you say it is a crazy take to now rewrite history on McKenna. It is idiocy frankly. | |
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| What on earth has gone wrong? on 10:25 - Dec 3 with 147 views | Luk38644 |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 10:22 - Dec 3 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I remember lots of that Edmundson, Chaplin, Morsy off the top of my head making a point in interviews that McKenna was the genius who had all the answers.
I get people are frustrated, I get people want success instantly. I want promotion out of this league as much as the next man. But as you say it is a crazy take to now rewrite history on McKenna. It is idiocy frankly. |
Chaplin & Morsy especially, if you suggested to them that the man who gave them their career highs is a fraud, they'd probably take offence to it.
As you say, alot of disappointment and frustration around at the moment, but no need to rewrite history and play down the B2B promotions. | | | |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 11:04 - Dec 3 with 114 views | Churchman |
| What on earth has gone wrong? on 21:54 - Dec 2 by EddyJ |
He hit on something that worked. He inherited a very good set of players in League One. He chanced upon a strange lopsided formation that people didn't know how to play against.
He also had really strong leadership on the pitch. I don't think we can underestimate the influence Morsy had on McKenna's double promotion. Lets not forget the number of late goals he scored. Morsy was a winner.
The double promotion team was clearly not good enough for the premier league and he was forced to change it. But the recruitment has been erratic. We have no clear game plan. We persist with tactics that clearly do not suit the players we have. Constant team changes.
Its looking more and more likely that the double promotion was in spite of McKenna rather than because of him. This team is totally his and its really poor. |
The L1 promotion team was totally his and wasn’t poor. It took him getting on for a year to make it truly effective and signings he approved made the difference. He also brought back into the fold players that Cook binned with his farcical bomb squad, one of which made us some money in the summer.
Promotion was not in spite of him and to say so is plain wrong. Yes, we scored late goals. Conceded a few too. Also had plenty of poor performances. Don’t forget how Cook’s team downed tools at Charlton after he left. Not exactly professional, was it? We’ve also pinched points this season with late goals. I’m more concerned with how we start games.
The team is 7th so it is not ‘really poor’. It’s just not where it should be (anywhere near) with the quality we have at the club. Nobody is saying the last few games are acceptable, least of all the manager, but sometimes it’s helpful to be realistic and not rewrite history. | | | |
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