| This team isn’t very likable is it? 09:04 - Dec 14 with 4450 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Not calling out individuals here, but the dynamic isn’t right and it’s hard to get on board with what’s going on right now.
Remember our league one side when we went up, not as good as this current team, but was really easy to like them, they just seemed a proper team.
Don’t know what the solution is, throw more money at the squad? Probably not. |  |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:58 - Dec 14 with 472 views | Ryorry |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:51 - Dec 14 by Axeldalai_lama |
Don't necessarily think that we're disagreeing, but we are where we are. We are a 'bigger' team and club with a bigger profile budget and we have changed as a club via that short spell in the prem. Yes we have spent money and not necessarily very well but what was the actual credible alternative?
We were always going to be the club we are this season in terms of big club big money, rebuilding, other teams coming at us or low blocking us and all that comes with it. I just don't think you can somehow rewrite all of that and say we could still be that old team and team spirit and lower profile plucky hard working players. Four years later.
The only way might have been to do a Luton but that hasn't worked out for them. Or to just rewrite history and say we should have bought exactly the right calibre of players this summer and they'd all be cheap enough and of exactly the right spirit to reform that same team of 23. But that's just fanciful. We are on this horrible beautiful behemoth of a roller coaster ride and yes we could and should have done better and be doing better but like it or not rebuilding that environment from those few seasons is almost impossible, precisely because they did do so well and got us to the top and the promises lands and all that comes with it. |
In a rush now and will read in more depth later, but you certainly make some good points there 👍 |  |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 11:03 - Dec 14 with 462 views | Ryorry |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:50 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I offer out both up and down arrows, and i don't pick on anyone (despite what some might say). It's merely whether I disagree or agree.
I receive plenty of both too, and the negatives haven't managed to silence me.
If a poster is receiving an inordinate amount of down arrows then it's probably because they're consistently posting bobbins. I see a number of posters on here who regularly attract downvotes and it doesn't seem to silence them! |
You do always at least go for the ball, not the poster, and give arrows both ways it’s true.
Might be wrong, but I think the poster who brought this issue up was mainly talking about those who only ever seem to give downvotes (to certain individuals anyway). [Post edited 14 Dec 11:08]
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 11:04 - Dec 14 with 462 views | itfcsuth |
The dynamic of the collective is in a parallel universe to 2023/2024. That’s the benchmark, and a direct comparison as to what the gold standard looks like.
We’re a long way away from being the complete article. Lack of balance, cohesion and chemistry is evident.
January will allow us to start reshuffling the pack to find the right solution. |  | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 11:12 - Dec 14 with 438 views | Ryorry |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:24 - Dec 14 by Cafe_Newman |
Yes. |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 11:15 - Dec 14 with 431 views | Benters |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:13 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
How on earth does downvoting silence people?! |
Dem arrows cause more trouble than they are worth 😚 |  |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 11:16 - Dec 14 with 425 views | billlm |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:03 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't think it's just guts, I think it's confidence too. That League 1 team had zero expectation in the Champ. There is a weight on the shoulders of our current team (and manager). |
I think this is a huge point, the expectancy,
Every team ones to beat us as we had the favourite tag,
Lots of favourites fail due to pressure, |  | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 11:17 - Dec 14 with 419 views | Radlett_blue |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 09:55 - Dec 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Yeah i would have been promotion from league 1 was minimum expectation.
I do agree with herbz though and the other fella that the run was predicted - it wasn't
However because we saw it, and because we saw what it took and we saw the desire to get back into games being 0-1 almost like it was a gift to the opposition, when you review it, that group had guts so it made sense how they managed it.
Reviewing that period against the current where we struggle to get back into games, struggle to control games, etc it's a far cry from either of our two promotion teams.
I think it's completely fair to say that. [Post edited 14 Dec 9:59]
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The lack of mental strength (shown by the fact Town haven't won a game after falling behind for nearly 2 years) is clearly an issue. While looking at goals conceded creates a negative bias as almost every goal conceded involves something that the defending team could have done better, it's easy to look at Leicester's first 2 goals as worldy strikes, but the first one came after Town made a poor attempt at a 50/50 ball & lost it & the second came after Fatawu brushed past 2 ineffectual challenges. As for the 3rd, that was Sunday league defending. |  |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 11:21 - Dec 14 with 400 views | Benters |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 11:03 - Dec 14 by Ryorry |
You do always at least go for the ball, not the poster, and give arrows both ways it’s true.
Might be wrong, but I think the poster who brought this issue up was mainly talking about those who only ever seem to give downvotes (to certain individuals anyway). [Post edited 14 Dec 11:08]
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I was working round a famous poster from here many moons ago,and he said ‘do you want to see my uppies’?
He had over 15000 of the little darlings 😳😂 | |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 11:23 - Dec 14 with 394 views | Cafe_Newman |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:50 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I offer out both up and down arrows, and i don't pick on anyone (despite what some might say). It's merely whether I disagree or agree.
I receive plenty of both too, and the negatives haven't managed to silence me.
If a poster is receiving an inordinate amount of down arrows then it's probably because they're consistently posting bobbins. I see a number of posters on here who regularly attract downvotes and it doesn't seem to silence them! |
You didn't put that question into an AI app like I asked you to, did you?
Precisely, it's chiefly because you receive plenty of upvotes that you are not bothered by the downvotes. Clearly there are other factors like your personal history and your propensity to act out on line that also determine your tolerance to downvoting.
Your final paragraph is about as succinct a demonstration of your ignorance of operant conditioning possible. It also goes a long way to explaining why you downvote the way you do, despite your protestations. |  | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 11:25 - Dec 14 with 373 views | ITFCSG |
Giving only downvotes or one sided delusional support is no different from posters that only appear after a loss |  | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 11:27 - Dec 14 with 378 views | Cafe_Newman |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 10:42 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So tell us about the 'Downarrows on a football messageboard' module. |
Like anything requiring education to incentivise lasting behaviour change, it's best that you do the work yourself.
A good psychologist will only guide you in that process, as I have done. | | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 12:19 - Dec 14 with 313 views | BloomBlue |
But was that because the L1 side was winning regularly, and expectations lower?
Too many fans thinking 'spend millions guarantees winning'?
Ive always felt many fans associate winning with great performances. In the Championship last time we had some terrible performances. That home game against Southampton was a perfect example. The team performance wasn't great, Southampton were controlling it, it was simply a bit of Broadhead magic to make it 2-2 that changed the direction of the game. Southampton go down to 10 players, and we snatch a late winner.
Great result but the performance wasn't. However you hear some Town fans talk about it as if we played them off the park with a great performance.
Hence sometimes fans confuse winning with performances.
A vast majority of fans want wins irrelevant of performance. |  | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 12:32 - Dec 14 with 294 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 11:23 - Dec 14 by Cafe_Newman |
You didn't put that question into an AI app like I asked you to, did you?
Precisely, it's chiefly because you receive plenty of upvotes that you are not bothered by the downvotes. Clearly there are other factors like your personal history and your propensity to act out on line that also determine your tolerance to downvoting.
Your final paragraph is about as succinct a demonstration of your ignorance of operant conditioning possible. It also goes a long way to explaining why you downvote the way you do, despite your protestations. |
I find your attack on me here more of an attempt to silence than any downarrow.
And no, I'm not going to spend my time asking AI questions demanded by a stranger online. For starters, AI isn't the answer to everything, and I certainly wouldn't trust it with psychological assessment. As a psychologist yourself I find it odd you're recommending something non-human for human diagnosis.
If you have a problem with the arrowing mechanism I suggest you take it up with Phil and Gav, who introduced it. |  |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 12:34 - Dec 14 with 288 views | Kieran_Knows |
Said it time and time again, this lot had no chance with sections of this fan base because McKenna sold some of their favourites. Before a ball was kicked they’d been written off. |  |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 12:35 - Dec 14 with 280 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 11:27 - Dec 14 by Cafe_Newman |
Like anything requiring education to incentivise lasting behaviour change, it's best that you do the work yourself.
A good psychologist will only guide you in that process, as I have done. |
Haha, nice deflection. So you didn't study downarrows on a messageboard.
And your answer to being a good psychologist is to ask AI? Brilliant. | |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 13:06 - Dec 14 with 248 views | Cafe_Newman |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 12:32 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I find your attack on me here more of an attempt to silence than any downarrow.
And no, I'm not going to spend my time asking AI questions demanded by a stranger online. For starters, AI isn't the answer to everything, and I certainly wouldn't trust it with psychological assessment. As a psychologist yourself I find it odd you're recommending something non-human for human diagnosis.
If you have a problem with the arrowing mechanism I suggest you take it up with Phil and Gav, who introduced it. |
Recommended further reading:
understand the difference between ignorance and stupidity
understand the strengths and weaknesses and uses of AI
understand the difference between a psychological assessment of a person and of a behaviour or action
understand the use of “absolute language” in discussions of conflict and emotional communication
understand the meaning of inordinate and consider its use when you used it in this thread
I have used the word "understand" because you so far have interpreted other -more commonly used - words as demands. As I said before, the best way is self-instruction. | | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 13:13 - Dec 14 with 239 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 13:06 - Dec 14 by Cafe_Newman |
Recommended further reading:
understand the difference between ignorance and stupidity
understand the strengths and weaknesses and uses of AI
understand the difference between a psychological assessment of a person and of a behaviour or action
understand the use of “absolute language” in discussions of conflict and emotional communication
understand the meaning of inordinate and consider its use when you used it in this thread
I have used the word "understand" because you so far have interpreted other -more commonly used - words as demands. As I said before, the best way is self-instruction. |
Recommended further reading:
How not to be a patronising twonk.
I have an English Language degree, the main module of which was English Language and Communication. So I don't need your lectures, but thanks anyway. Have a nice day. | |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 13:21 - Dec 14 with 225 views | cressi |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 09:14 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Lads, lads, lads. We spanked the runaway leaders 3-0 a week ago. You weren't complaining this team was unlikeable then. 2 defeats in the last 11, the latest due to two freak goals. Get a grip. |
We did beat them as you say but at nil nil we was lucky once we went one up we were quite good. My concern is when the opposition get in front we never come back to win. There is definitely something missing in this group of players and management team. Not sure spending money is the answer as we have not been good with it for quite a while. | | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 13:24 - Dec 14 with 223 views | Cafe_Newman |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 12:35 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Haha, nice deflection. So you didn't study downarrows on a messageboard.
And your answer to being a good psychologist is to ask AI? Brilliant. |
No one needs to "study downarrows on a messageboard", a good understanding of the means and effects of operant conditioning is enough.
The "answer to being a good psychologist" is certainly NOT to ask AI. I suggested you ask AI to understand (from a psychological point of view) how downvoting silences people. For some reason you have interpreted that in a completely different way.
If you would like to engage on this topic further, I suggest you PM me.
If you don't like me, or think I'm talking "bobbins", please add me to your ignore list.
If you prefer to continue to downvote me, that's fine too as it proves a point: it's the persistent downvotes by articulate posters that are the most meaningful. | | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 13:47 - Dec 14 with 202 views | pointofblue |
This outburst isn't because we lost to Leicester. Surely at the beginning of the season, when reviewing the fixtures, we all had this down as a potential defeat. So Leicester haven't hit the heights expected - neither have we.
The issue is what came before - Derby, Charlton, Wrexham, Oxford, Blackburn - coupled with no sign of linear improvement. A case of, at best, one step forward one step back. The lack of understanding throughout the team, and poor use of the transfer market since promotion to the Premier Leagues stands out as a partnership. We are now hoping the January fixing our ills, although we have shown more players will, to start with, lead to more uncertainty and cannot be confident we'll make the right decisions in the transfer market anyway.
With the amount spent, and quality of the division, we should be much closer to or above Coventry or at least showing signs of getting there. As it is we are at a crossroads, and nowhere knows which direction we are going to take. I believe the underlying, unspoken fear, for many is we mess up this opportunity and start sliding back from where we came. The irony being I think most of us prefer being in the Championship to the Premier League in general. | |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 13:49 - Dec 14 with 196 views | Dubtractor |
Shock horror - it is easier to like players and for them to build connections with the fanbase when you are winning games. |  |
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| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 13:51 - Dec 14 with 187 views | Cafe_Newman |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 13:13 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Recommended further reading:
How not to be a patronising twonk.
I have an English Language degree, the main module of which was English Language and Communication. So I don't need your lectures, but thanks anyway. Have a nice day. |
Ashbocking University? | | | |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 13:56 - Dec 14 with 176 views | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
| This team isn’t very likable is it? on 09:14 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Lads, lads, lads. We spanked the runaway leaders 3-0 a week ago. You weren't complaining this team was unlikeable then. 2 defeats in the last 11, the latest due to two freak goals. Get a grip. |
Exactly. The fickleness is off the charts and changes depending on 1 result. I think that's a societal thing unfortunately. Lack of patience and people looking for everything in an instant, no matter what it is. | | | |
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