| At what point did many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? 22:55 - Dec 17 with 3887 views | unstableblue |
Its almost like Ashton is living in a parallel universe to, say 30-40% of the fanbase, isn't it?
And certainly that 30-40% are so disconnected from McKenna's drive and the aims and ambition of the players.
Perhaps it's more like 40%.
Look at this from Ashton: "“I am so enthused that we’re only at the end of the beginning. I can’t wait for the training ground to be done, I can’t wait for Tom and the team to design the Cobbold, other plans for around the stadium that we’re looking at, the recruitment team producing, the academy starting to deliver players through.
If we only deliver 70 per cent of the things that we’re talking about, just think where this football club’s going to be. This is the biggest and best football development opportunity that is happening right now in Europe, bar none."
This is a time to be so invested in the club - but the away ends are toxic, and the support for McKenna and the boys is on the floor in that 40%.
Look I get it, we invested heavily, we culled likeable players who had delivered almost beyond their capabilities. We brought in better players, who are still not embraced by fans or knitted together as a unit. The results leave us off second.
You can say the off-field project is somewhat disconnected from the on-field. It's not. McKenna is front and center to the rejuvenation of the club. He is a talented manager, with growth in his abilities.
Where did it go wrong, what was the point when the 40% disconnected?
Was it the Premier League woeful home campaign? those that didn't witness Spurs away, Villa away, Wolves away, Fulham away, Bournemoth away, Everton away... hey even Brentford away.. were left with some early promise against Villa and Fulham at PR, and then a dirge of home drubbings.
Was it because Philogene is an introvert? that O'Shea didn't dominate like Morsy did in League One? Greaves made errors? Hirst is out of form?
It certainly wasn't the wonderful fighting performance against Norwich which seems forgotten.
Clearly it's a lack of an ability to consistently dominate the Championship with a well funded team as a parachute club (yeah cause Parachute clubs are guaranteed success!!), or is it losing the ability to fall on the right side of margins as we did in the Premier League promotion.....
Or is it entitlement and just a fatigued lack of enthusiasm in the fan base?
What we do know is that what makes a successful club is a holy trinity between:
1) Ownership and off-field set-up
2) Manager, coaching staff and players
3) and Fans
Given Portman Road and away atmospheres this season, currently the fans are waiting for the players/manager to wow them again, become likeable, rather than committing themselves. And indeed 40% are actively deriding the project.
Saturday is a MUST win, but its also a MUST support.
COYFB. [Post edited 18 Dec 17:16]
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 01:28 - Dec 18 with 2537 views | RadioOrwell |
It's not a must win.
A cup final is a must win.
We have never lost a cup final.
If we lose we can still go up. |  | | |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 01:32 - Dec 18 with 2537 views | Garv |
I don't necessarily disagree with the overall point, but where have you got 40% from and why have you kept repeating it? [Post edited 18 Dec 1:32]
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 02:40 - Dec 18 with 2491 views | tractorshark |
I read the thread earlier in the week about the team not being likeable and I just don’t see that.
There’s no question the team which got us promoted was much loved but that was because it was successful and they seemingly gave everything to the cause.
This team is certainly not as successful but it could yet turn out to be. And as much as I tear my hair out at the likes of Jack Clarke from time to time, I honestly wouldn’t accuse him or any of the others of not trying.
People will say the team back then was more relatable to the fans but I think that’s an idyllic and naive view. Very few players can truly relate to the fans unless they are fans of the club themselves. The reality is it’s a job for someone like Philogene in the same way it was a job for Hutchinson.
If there is a disconnect it’s just borne out of frustration having been fed by expectation. I don’t think you can blame the fans for that. For years we’ve being going to games not expecting to win every week and now we do.
People are entitled to question the players, manager and the club. That’s not a show of disloyalty. Right now, I think we would all agree the team should be performing better.
But I don’t think the majority of fans have lost faith. On the whole the away followings have been good and when it has gone flat, it’s largely been because the team have given us little to cheer. Every fanbase is like that. In fairness, Leicester was probably the worst atmosphere and performance all season but even then it didn’t feel like 30 - 40% of fans have turned.
But ultimately it comes back to success. Success has brought 10,000 Ipswich fans out of the woodwork. If there is a genuine disconnect, it’s probably coming from those who have enjoyed the ride of the last few seasons and conveniently forgotten that’s not the norm for a club like Ipswich. |  | | |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 03:23 - Dec 18 with 2453 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 01:28 - Dec 18 by RadioOrwell |
It's not a must win.
A cup final is a must win.
We have never lost a cup final.
If we lose we can still go up. |
Quite so.
And it is the level of expectation that the "must win" definition exposes that is as much an issue as anything else. |  |
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 04:03 - Dec 18 with 2438 views | Illinoisblue |
To be clear, that 40% you’re bandying around is just made up by you, right? |  |
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 06:19 - Dec 18 with 2306 views | Benters |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 01:28 - Dec 18 by RadioOrwell |
It's not a must win.
A cup final is a must win.
We have never lost a cup final.
If we lose we can still go up. |
It’s not a must win but it’s one we really should win … but you never know!
Thats the beauty of the game. |  |
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 06:42 - Dec 18 with 2256 views | ITFC_Forever |
It’s not 40% or anywhere near it. |  |
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 07:30 - Dec 18 with 2133 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 01:28 - Dec 18 by RadioOrwell |
It's not a must win.
A cup final is a must win.
We have never lost a cup final.
If we lose we can still go up. |
Oh dear.. |  |
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 07:41 - Dec 18 with 2112 views | unstableblue |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 01:32 - Dec 18 by Garv |
I don't necessarily disagree with the overall point, but where have you got 40% from and why have you kept repeating it? [Post edited 18 Dec 1:32]
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Look the 30-40% is a bit arbitrary - it’s based on posts on this forum, people’s reactions around me where I sit in Portman Road, and those around me at away games.
Now I think about it, perhaps it’s fairly accurate. Have you been in an away end this season - even for a win/draw? What % of the town fan base do you think are currently invested in McKenna his team and hence the project? | |
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 07:44 - Dec 18 with 2080 views | unstableblue |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 04:03 - Dec 18 by Illinoisblue |
To be clear, that 40% you’re bandying around is just made up by you, right? |
Completely made up, based on home and away fans around me, and this forum.
You think it’s less than 30-40% of town fans are disconnected at the moment? Doesn’t feel like it. | |
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 07:47 - Dec 18 with 2065 views | Metal_Hacker |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 07:41 - Dec 18 by unstableblue |
Look the 30-40% is a bit arbitrary - it’s based on posts on this forum, people’s reactions around me where I sit in Portman Road, and those around me at away games.
Now I think about it, perhaps it’s fairly accurate. Have you been in an away end this season - even for a win/draw? What % of the town fan base do you think are currently invested in McKenna his team and hence the project? |
Personally with the away games I've been to I'd suggest that 95+% are behind KMcK in all fairness , if not more
Perhaps the "40%" you mention are those that react in a certain manner after a poor performance or result ? |  |
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 07:56 - Dec 18 with 2015 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 07:41 - Dec 18 by unstableblue |
Look the 30-40% is a bit arbitrary - it’s based on posts on this forum, people’s reactions around me where I sit in Portman Road, and those around me at away games.
Now I think about it, perhaps it’s fairly accurate. Have you been in an away end this season - even for a win/draw? What % of the town fan base do you think are currently invested in McKenna his team and hence the project? |
I'd say about 95%, and the other 5% are halfwits who are mostly invested in the next round. |  |
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 08:03 - Dec 18 with 2002 views | LRB84UK |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 07:41 - Dec 18 by unstableblue |
Look the 30-40% is a bit arbitrary - it’s based on posts on this forum, people’s reactions around me where I sit in Portman Road, and those around me at away games.
Now I think about it, perhaps it’s fairly accurate. Have you been in an away end this season - even for a win/draw? What % of the town fan base do you think are currently invested in McKenna his team and hence the project? |
Been at almost all away games this season, Saturday was awful. The grown men, some with their grandchildren, calling the players every name under the sun for 90 mins. They weren't quiet in their abuse either it was a horrible atmosphere around us. Maybe, because I'm a woman I see it differently, you wouldn't want someone talking about you friend, child, relative like that so what makes it ok to shout abuse for 90 mins. I get we all pay our money and travel a long, long way to the games, but we choose to do that. No one forces us to go to away games so why be so bitter and toxic, just stay at home. We've had 3 (yes I am including last season) amazing seasons but the way people are carrying on you would think we're rock bottom, no wins to our name and losing 7.0 every game!
Our off the ball work has improved immensely this season, watching Jaden, George, Kipre off the ball is a joy. This team will continue to improve and the results will come.
Been coming to the football for almost 40 years and this is the best I've seen the club, particularly off the pitch. The atmosphere around the club, the re development, the way we are heading, is amazing. We need to be patient and enjoy it, not hurtle abuse every time a pass goes astray | | | |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 08:04 - Dec 18 with 2001 views | NthQldITFC |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 07:44 - Dec 18 by unstableblue |
Completely made up, based on home and away fans around me, and this forum.
You think it’s less than 30-40% of town fans are disconnected at the moment? Doesn’t feel like it. |
Effectively everyone accepts the cold unavoidable truth that we are not doing as well as just about everyone thought we would this season. So far.
Another cold unavoidable truth is that we are in a play off position and not far off second, given the time left in the season.
I don't think ANYBODY can honestly challenge those two cold, hard truths.
So almost everybody is frustrated but aware that we still have a very good chance of going up.
Most of us accept that and carry on actually supporting, inevitably more quietly than when things have been going brilliantly.
What stands out is the moaning and flatulent over-reaction to every little thing of the indignant, entitled, disconnected minority of perpetually stroppy, pissy, shouty windbags.
And bear in mind that there are some massive trolls on here.
It's nothing like 40%. [Post edited 18 Dec 8:05]
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 08:16 - Dec 18 with 1944 views | Scuzzer |
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 08:17 - Dec 18 with 1946 views | PioneerBlue |
I know what you’re saying, and while the “40%” figure is not exact, it’s clear there’s a vocal group of fans expressing frustration. I don’t see Saturday as a “must win” in the way some frame it, it’s more a “must support” to use your words!
The vision Ashton talks about is ambitious, McKenna is central to it, players come and go. Results haven’t always matched expectations this season, but the bigger picture is still one of upward direction given the scale of investment and future planned investment which is in part based on solid support for the plan and us the people.
The club’s success depends on this holy trinity—ownership and investor capital - leadership, manager, coaching and player development and recycling - and - us supporters.
I would say this is exactly the time when the players need support and backing more than ever. Easy going fast on your bike with slower traffic and a decent tailwind wind, not so easy in congested traffic or a cross wind in open lanes. Atmosphere matters, KMck has said as much several times. If we can keep focus on the long game, chose support, not derision no matter how frustrating in the tough moments it will help reconnect those who feel a bit disillusioned, its an understandable emotion given the difficulties over the last 12-16 months, but rise above!! [Post edited 18 Dec 17:48]
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 08:18 - Dec 18 with 1931 views | Cafe_Newman |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 06:42 - Dec 18 by ITFC_Forever |
It’s not 40% or anywhere near it. |
I think there may be about 40% of fans who expect us to finish top of the league simply because we have the biggest budget in the league, but to say that "support for McKenna and the boys is on the floor in that 40%" is quite a leap.
Two years ago, when we were promoted to the Premier, the richest team in the league, Leeds, missed out on promotion. Interestingly enough, the three teams that earned promotion that year all find themselves in a lower division than Leeds today.
What does that tell us? Money doesn't always give instant results. Durable, successful teams can take time to evolve. Players are human, they have bad days and bad runs of form sometimes. Even very good managers make mistakes occasionally.
I contributed to the "This team isn’t very likable is it?" thread to point out that "fans", individually and collectively, are not known for their balance in their critique of players and managers: Players go from "Heroes" and "great white hopes" one week to"zeros" and "get rids" the next.
So the answer to thequestion: "At what point did ... fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club?" is probably: When those fans lost sight of the fact that Kieran McKenna isn't playing a console version of Championship Manager but operating in the real world. [Post edited 18 Dec 8:22]
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 08:22 - Dec 18 with 1904 views | chantryblueboy |
2 things
Spent the whole of last season being told that we couldn’t expect to compete because of how much better funded the rest of the league were than us. This season, all 3 promoted teams looking so far superior to us last season, while we are now so much better funded than the rest of the league and can see that it counts for nothing
The other thing is that while you can be as good as you like off the pitch, if you keep getting recruitment wrong you’re not going to get anywhere. Just because Ashton says it’s the most exciting project since the moon landing doesn’t make that a fact | | | |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 08:23 - Dec 18 with 1902 views | NthQldITFC |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 08:17 - Dec 18 by PioneerBlue |
I know what you’re saying, and while the “40%” figure is not exact, it’s clear there’s a vocal group of fans expressing frustration. I don’t see Saturday as a “must win” in the way some frame it, it’s more a “must support” to use your words!
The vision Ashton talks about is ambitious, McKenna is central to it, players come and go. Results haven’t always matched expectations this season, but the bigger picture is still one of upward direction given the scale of investment and future planned investment which is in part based on solid support for the plan and us the people.
The club’s success depends on this holy trinity—ownership and investor capital - leadership, manager, coaching and player development and recycling - and - us supporters.
I would say this is exactly the time when the players need support and backing more than ever. Easy going fast on your bike with slower traffic and a decent tailwind wind, not so easy in congested traffic or a cross wind in open lanes. Atmosphere matters, KMck has said as much several times. If we can keep focus on the long game, chose support, not derision no matter how frustrating in the tough moments it will help reconnect those who feel a bit disillusioned, its an understandable emotion given the difficulties over the last 12-16 months, but rise above!! [Post edited 18 Dec 17:48]
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That's a great post, if you'll permit me to say so. | |
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 08:25 - Dec 18 with 1883 views | Cafe_Newman |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 08:23 - Dec 18 by NthQldITFC |
That's a great post, if you'll permit me to say so. |
Totally agree. | | | |
| POST OF THE DAY on 08:41 - Dec 18 with 1814 views | unstableblue |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 08:17 - Dec 18 by PioneerBlue |
I know what you’re saying, and while the “40%” figure is not exact, it’s clear there’s a vocal group of fans expressing frustration. I don’t see Saturday as a “must win” in the way some frame it, it’s more a “must support” to use your words!
The vision Ashton talks about is ambitious, McKenna is central to it, players come and go. Results haven’t always matched expectations this season, but the bigger picture is still one of upward direction given the scale of investment and future planned investment which is in part based on solid support for the plan and us the people.
The club’s success depends on this holy trinity—ownership and investor capital - leadership, manager, coaching and player development and recycling - and - us supporters.
I would say this is exactly the time when the players need support and backing more than ever. Easy going fast on your bike with slower traffic and a decent tailwind wind, not so easy in congested traffic or a cross wind in open lanes. Atmosphere matters, KMck has said as much several times. If we can keep focus on the long game, chose support, not derision no matter how frustrating in the tough moments it will help reconnect those who feel a bit disillusioned, its an understandable emotion given the difficulties over the last 12-16 months, but rise above!! [Post edited 18 Dec 17:48]
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 08:45 - Dec 18 with 1767 views | muccletonjoe |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 07:44 - Dec 18 by unstableblue |
Completely made up, based on home and away fans around me, and this forum.
You think it’s less than 30-40% of town fans are disconnected at the moment? Doesn’t feel like it. |
I would say 40 - 45% question McKennas tactics/ team selection , performances , it varies on that 5% differential by the latest result . |  | | |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 08:48 - Dec 18 with 1756 views | unstableblue |
| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 06:42 - Dec 18 by ITFC_Forever |
It’s not 40% or anywhere near it. |
Have you been in an away end this season?
Have you read this board?
If you go by the people around me at PR they’ve been disconnected from this group of players from the start of the season. Look maybe it’s 30%, maybe it’s less than than 20%
But it’s significant. [Post edited 18 Dec 9:30]
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 08:56 - Dec 18 with 1686 views | tractorboy1978 |
I think it is easy to get wrapped up in the most recent result or performance. I admit I can be guilty of it myself although I try hard not to be. But when you step back, it is surely absolutely impossible not to be enthused by everything that is going on and the direction the owners/Ashton plan to take the club in? Ashton might speak in 'Brent-isms' at times but he's done a phenomenal job here. [Post edited 18 Dec 8:56]
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| At one point did so many Town fans get divested in the rejuvenation of the club? on 08:58 - Dec 18 with 1673 views | ArnieM |
Like it or not it has to come initially from the players on the pitch . If there is intensity (where has that gone ?) and full on up it and at em on the pitch the crowd WILL 100% become more engaged . This is my point about the pedestrain appraoch by us this season , (by and larhe). It doesnt inspire that connection between the players and fans .
The last home game , we didnt really up the anti until the seconda half ( This is a classic patterne by us )... when they did, the crowd were at it . But first half , it was quite . Yes the SBR tried to get up enthusiasm but it reflects to intesnity and drive they are seeing on the pitch . Downvote me all you want, (usual individuals) but that is the simple fact of the matter. |  |
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