| Kieran on team building 15:18 - Dec 19 with 3200 views | NthQldITFC |
Extracted straight from Phil's presser thread, but I think the manager puts it better than anyone really.
Presser by PhilTWTD 19 Dec 14:35Collection of individuals rather than a team? I've said before, comparing with last team, we did something remarkable. I see a group of players who have outrun the opposition, created more chances than the opposition in most games. Can we still improve in chemistry, resilience? We can, but that's more natural for a group that's not been together that long. Any team which has been through promotions etc is going to be more together than a group which came together a few months ago. But I see a group working hard, looking back isn't much use at the moment. Need to stay really focused and that's how we build it.
It's completely understandable that our fans' expectations are high and some degree of impatience is natural, but we have remember the part of the team building cycle we are in, and the qualifications of the man in charge to get us there. |  |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:41 - Dec 19 with 617 views | Illinoisblue |
| Kieran on team building on 16:29 - Dec 19 by J2BLUE |
We are fifth. 8 points from second. This is despite the fact that anyone looking at this forum from outside without having seen the table would likely think we were in the bottom half
We have a higher xG per shot than Middlesbrough. We have a lower xG conceded per shot than Middlesbrough.
Middlesbrough and Coventry are significantly outperforming their xG on both in attack and defence. Town are almost spot on for goals conceded but are EIGHT goals below xG with a total xG of 40. That's 20%. That can be a positive or negative but to me that shows we have serious room for improvement in terms of results even if performances don't change all that much. I fully expect to see us sign a striker in January to try and address this.
Our squad is unbalanced - Very likely to see a CM come in. We have money to spend to upgrade the areas needed.
We are 21 games in. We have 25 left. We had significant squad overhaul including a record buy of a 19 year old who had to move countries and people started turning after less than 10 games. This is a marathon not a sprint.
Coventry have been unbelievable so far. In their last three games they have taken four points. In the game they won they conceded eight shots on target and the MOTM was their goalkeeper. They are not promoted yet.
You can talk about excuses all you want but we are still right up there. It's almost as if some fans are willing it to go wrong and get more enjoyment out of complaining. The underlying stats are good. Our squad is packed with quality. We have reinforcements coming. We had so long under Evans where we had no hope. I really don't understand why people can't just sit back and try to enjoy the ride. If we miss out on the top two there is a massive chance we finish in the play offs. Yes, it would be underachieving but would still be a big opportunity.
TL;DR - it's not making excuses to show a bit of patience and trust a manager who has never failed us. It's not making excuses to look at the underlying stats and understand what McKenna is saying. [Post edited 19 Dec 16:33]
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Fast forward to April and we need six wins, big goal difference swing and a couple snookers to make the top two…. “Yeah, but if you look at xG…”. |  |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:46 - Dec 19 with 597 views | jasondozzell |
| Kieran on team building on 16:29 - Dec 19 by J2BLUE |
We are fifth. 8 points from second. This is despite the fact that anyone looking at this forum from outside without having seen the table would likely think we were in the bottom half
We have a higher xG per shot than Middlesbrough. We have a lower xG conceded per shot than Middlesbrough.
Middlesbrough and Coventry are significantly outperforming their xG on both in attack and defence. Town are almost spot on for goals conceded but are EIGHT goals below xG with a total xG of 40. That's 20%. That can be a positive or negative but to me that shows we have serious room for improvement in terms of results even if performances don't change all that much. I fully expect to see us sign a striker in January to try and address this.
Our squad is unbalanced - Very likely to see a CM come in. We have money to spend to upgrade the areas needed.
We are 21 games in. We have 25 left. We had significant squad overhaul including a record buy of a 19 year old who had to move countries and people started turning after less than 10 games. This is a marathon not a sprint.
Coventry have been unbelievable so far. In their last three games they have taken four points. In the game they won they conceded eight shots on target and the MOTM was their goalkeeper. They are not promoted yet.
You can talk about excuses all you want but we are still right up there. It's almost as if some fans are willing it to go wrong and get more enjoyment out of complaining. The underlying stats are good. Our squad is packed with quality. We have reinforcements coming. We had so long under Evans where we had no hope. I really don't understand why people can't just sit back and try to enjoy the ride. If we miss out on the top two there is a massive chance we finish in the play offs. Yes, it would be underachieving but would still be a big opportunity.
TL;DR - it's not making excuses to show a bit of patience and trust a manager who has never failed us. It's not making excuses to look at the underlying stats and understand what McKenna is saying. [Post edited 19 Dec 16:33]
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Brilliant summary of where we are.
And that line about how we had so long under Evans with no hope is spot on.
These are the good days!!!! It's no so long ago that any interest over Xmas/January period was centred on joey garner dressing up as an OAP on a mobility scooter for the players Christmas party, not in the transfer window! |  | | |
| Kieran on team building on 16:46 - Dec 19 with 595 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Kieran on team building on 16:41 - Dec 19 by Vic |
I'm not actually sure it would be a good thing to go up this season. Should we do so we'll still be a developing team that will need several ey additions that will once again make transition to the Prem even more difficult.
I'm not being defeatist, but I genuinely don't think it will be the end of the world, as long as we finish the season strongly in the P/O's. |
With replacing loan players, potentially some of those out of contract end if season and unsolicited bids for players I suspect we will need just many new signings if we stay in Championship next season. |  |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:47 - Dec 19 with 591 views | J2BLUE |
| Kieran on team building on 16:41 - Dec 19 by Illinoisblue |
Fast forward to April and we need six wins, big goal difference swing and a couple snookers to make the top two…. “Yeah, but if you look at xG…”. |
Oh give it a rest.
Maybe we will be top two and you and Frimmers will be upvoting each other saying "it was our opinion at the time". |  |
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| Kieran on team building on 16:49 - Dec 19 with 579 views | mrfixit426 |
| Kieran on team building on 15:56 - Dec 19 by SitfcB |
Just the modern day football fan.
No patience.
If we don’t go up this season and manage to keep 90% of the squad and McKenna then I’m pretty sure we’d absolutely wallop the league.
But the fanbase probably won’t allow that to happen. |
You've hit the nail on the head. |  | | |
| Kieran on team building on 16:54 - Dec 19 with 546 views | mrfixit426 |
| Kieran on team building on 16:06 - Dec 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
They are all current first teamers, and have all been here a long time as stated.
The excuse is poor.
KM has started listening to people like me, and has named a relatively unchanged side for the past few matches. Hopefully that continues. |
"KM has started listening to people like me, and has named a relatively unchanged side for the past few matches. Hopefully that continues."
Of course he has, chief.
Of course he has. | | | |
| Kieran on team building on 17:03 - Dec 19 with 518 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Kieran on team building on 16:54 - Dec 19 by mrfixit426 |
"KM has started listening to people like me, and has named a relatively unchanged side for the past few matches. Hopefully that continues."
Of course he has, chief.
Of course he has. |
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| Kieran on team building on 17:04 - Dec 19 with 518 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Kieran on team building on 16:29 - Dec 19 by J2BLUE |
We are fifth. 8 points from second. This is despite the fact that anyone looking at this forum from outside without having seen the table would likely think we were in the bottom half
We have a higher xG per shot than Middlesbrough. We have a lower xG conceded per shot than Middlesbrough.
Middlesbrough and Coventry are significantly outperforming their xG on both in attack and defence. Town are almost spot on for goals conceded but are EIGHT goals below xG with a total xG of 40. That's 20%. That can be a positive or negative but to me that shows we have serious room for improvement in terms of results even if performances don't change all that much. I fully expect to see us sign a striker in January to try and address this.
Our squad is unbalanced - Very likely to see a CM come in. We have money to spend to upgrade the areas needed.
We are 21 games in. We have 25 left. We had significant squad overhaul including a record buy of a 19 year old who had to move countries and people started turning after less than 10 games. This is a marathon not a sprint.
Coventry have been unbelievable so far. In their last three games they have taken four points. In the game they won they conceded eight shots on target and the MOTM was their goalkeeper. They are not promoted yet.
You can talk about excuses all you want but we are still right up there. It's almost as if some fans are willing it to go wrong and get more enjoyment out of complaining. The underlying stats are good. Our squad is packed with quality. We have reinforcements coming. We had so long under Evans where we had no hope. I really don't understand why people can't just sit back and try to enjoy the ride. If we miss out on the top two there is a massive chance we finish in the play offs. Yes, it would be underachieving but would still be a big opportunity.
TL;DR - it's not making excuses to show a bit of patience and trust a manager who has never failed us. It's not making excuses to look at the underlying stats and understand what McKenna is saying. [Post edited 19 Dec 16:33]
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We should be on 2 ppg in my view.
Like I say, I am behind KM and the boys, and hopefully they can put their foot on the gas and get to where we should be.
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| Kieran on team building on 17:10 - Dec 19 with 503 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Kieran on team building on 16:24 - Dec 19 by SuffolkPunchFC |
You do think a lot of yourself if you think KmK is listening to you 
That's some ego - completely outshines any ego Ashton might have ... |
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| Kieran on team building on 17:14 - Dec 19 with 499 views | J2BLUE |
| Kieran on team building on 17:04 - Dec 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
We should be on 2 ppg in my view.
Like I say, I am behind KM and the boys, and hopefully they can put their foot on the gas and get to where we should be.
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We've played 21 games.
Here's the form table for the last 11: https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:championship/form/matches:11/ty
One point short for that period. If you would prefer 10 games, 2 points short. Despite a section of the fans thinking we're in crisis.
We can't change the start we had to the season. Less than halfway through there should be complete support. We can have the inquest if needed at the end of the season. Big month coming up and it's clear McKenna would welcome a united front. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 17:35 - Dec 19 with 467 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Kieran on team building on 16:41 - Dec 19 by Illinoisblue |
Fast forward to April and we need six wins, big goal difference swing and a couple snookers to make the top two…. “Yeah, but if you look at xG…”. |
We'll have to have a pretty poor 2nd half of the season if we end up needed a big goal difference swing for 2nd. Our goal difference is only bettered by Coventry right now.
So Yeah, let's make up some mythical extreme probability to be as negative as possible. |  | | |
| Kieran on team building on 17:47 - Dec 19 with 454 views | MK1 |
| Kieran on team building on 16:41 - Dec 19 by Vic |
I'm not actually sure it would be a good thing to go up this season. Should we do so we'll still be a developing team that will need several ey additions that will once again make transition to the Prem even more difficult.
I'm not being defeatist, but I genuinely don't think it will be the end of the world, as long as we finish the season strongly in the P/O's. |
I agree. I think we went up at least one season too early last time, so lets build a squad that is capable of getting and staying in the PL.
IF we get there the season after next, can we please not have the wholesale changes we did last time, as that kind of goes against what KM and others on here are saying. Just add a few in the areas that need it. |  |
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| Kieran on team building on 18:03 - Dec 19 with 420 views | MK1 |
| Kieran on team building on 15:47 - Dec 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
No more excuses please everyone.
Very expensive squad, many of who have been here well beyond this season.
Lets put the excuses to bed, play a consistent team and crack on with some wins.
I am supportive of KM and the team, but can be critical at the same time. |
Have to say that I am 70% with you and 30% against.
As professional footballers, most of who have been for a while, they should be able to convert to any style and pattern given to them. They train 4-5 days a week so have had plenty of time to adapt to KM's style and what's expected of them. Nunez, Clarke, Philogene, Akpom, Szmodics, Cajuste, Johnson, Young, Furlong, O'Shea and Greaves are hardly new to professional men's football. They should be playing better as a team by now.
Having said all that, I do appreciate that finding your best X1 with so many new arrivals and injuries can take time. I won't be disappointed if we don't go up this season, but this lot and whoever else comes in must be kept together when we go up, otherwise we start the cycle all over again.
So I agree with most of what you say, but we are 5th in the league without finding our stride yet. A season from now and IF we are still playing the same as we are at the moment, I will 100% agree with you. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 18:12 - Dec 19 with 403 views | NthQldITFC |
Retrospective? | |
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| Kieran on team building on 18:13 - Dec 19 with 405 views | MK1 |
| Kieran on team building on 16:47 - Dec 19 by J2BLUE |
Oh give it a rest.
Maybe we will be top two and you and Frimmers will be upvoting each other saying "it was our opinion at the time". |
Surely people can only give an opinion at the time of print. If nobody gave an opinion on here, TWTD's towers would have to close. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 18:21 - Dec 19 with 390 views | J2BLUE |
| Kieran on team building on 18:13 - Dec 19 by MK1 |
Surely people can only give an opinion at the time of print. If nobody gave an opinion on here, TWTD's towers would have to close. |
Some people feel the need to give an opinion multiple times per half.
Just asking for a little balance and perspective. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 18:23 - Dec 19 with 387 views | Illinoisblue |
| Kieran on team building on 17:35 - Dec 19 by SuffolkPunchFC |
We'll have to have a pretty poor 2nd half of the season if we end up needed a big goal difference swing for 2nd. Our goal difference is only bettered by Coventry right now.
So Yeah, let's make up some mythical extreme probability to be as negative as possible. |
Just some Friday fun and more a dig at the foolishness of using xG as the basis for any kind of compelling argument. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 18:24 - Dec 19 with 383 views | MK1 |
| Kieran on team building on 18:21 - Dec 19 by J2BLUE |
Some people feel the need to give an opinion multiple times per half.
Just asking for a little balance and perspective. |
Fair point. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 19:10 - Dec 19 with 353 views | J2BLUE |
| Kieran on team building on 18:23 - Dec 19 by Illinoisblue |
Just some Friday fun and more a dig at the foolishness of using xG as the basis for any kind of compelling argument. |
You can think what you like but football has embraced xG as a serious metric. It's clearly something clubs look at so dismissing it just so you can carry on being negative is your choice. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 19:16 - Dec 19 with 342 views | NthQldITFC |
| Kieran on team building on 19:10 - Dec 19 by J2BLUE |
You can think what you like but football has embraced xG as a serious metric. It's clearly something clubs look at so dismissing it just so you can carry on being negative is your choice. |
It's clearly one amongst several very useful stats, to help in understanding.
Pooh-poohing xG (as an example) is a Luddite attitude. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 19:30 - Dec 19 with 323 views | Illinoisblue |
| Kieran on team building on 19:10 - Dec 19 by J2BLUE |
You can think what you like but football has embraced xG as a serious metric. It's clearly something clubs look at so dismissing it just so you can carry on being negative is your choice. |
“Embraced” or latched on to it because everyone else is doing it? Football’s a simple game. Not everything has to be defined by metrics. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 19:36 - Dec 19 with 316 views | J2BLUE |
| Kieran on team building on 19:30 - Dec 19 by Illinoisblue |
“Embraced” or latched on to it because everyone else is doing it? Football’s a simple game. Not everything has to be defined by metrics. |
As above, it helps understand the underlying performance. There will be no moving of the goalposts by me if we do not improve results and consistency. We're less than half way into a marathon. If we're still in roughly the same place or worse in another 15 games or so then it will be a conversation much more worth having. | |
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| Kieran on team building on 19:43 - Dec 19 with 313 views | AVJones |
| Kieran on team building on 17:47 - Dec 19 by MK1 |
I agree. I think we went up at least one season too early last time, so lets build a squad that is capable of getting and staying in the PL.
IF we get there the season after next, can we please not have the wholesale changes we did last time, as that kind of goes against what KM and others on here are saying. Just add a few in the areas that need it. |
Unfortunately, the reality is if we don’t go up there will be wholesale changes.
Our budget will be less than this season. We’ll have to cut our cloth accordingly.
Ambitious players, some who we’ve persuaded to stay this year with new contracts, will almost certainly leave eg O’Shea, Davis
Plus of course, loanees return…
The ongoing narrative of giving a team time to gel ignores the reality that pretty much every season there will be significant churn. Managing this churn, and still finding a way to have “fast starts” to a season will become ever more important.
Also, I would suggest that a successful transfer window in January would see very little movement. A striker, yes, but little else.
This would say we 100% back the squad that’s been built, and that has got to know each other over the previous four months. Now, go and deliver! That would be my message to the squad. | | | |
| Kieran on team building on 22:44 - Dec 19 with 237 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
My issue is our recruitment last summer was done clearly with an eye on the championship should we be relegated.
Based on what we’ve seen so far that doesn’t seem to have been worthwhile with their lack of cohesion in too many games |  |
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| Kieran on team building on 00:57 - Dec 20 with 202 views | Churchman |
| Kieran on team building on 16:04 - Dec 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Not impatient. I just think we are under performing.
I'm supportive of KM, not asking for him to be sacked.
Its OK to disagree.
If we dont go up, we should be stronger next year.... but the league will probably be stronger too.
No need to invent a false narrative. |
I think we’ve all worked out that the team has under achieved. I suspect owners, manager and the tea lady have worked that out too. I expected us to be closer than we are.
The questions are why and what next. For the why, teams don’t automatically form because you’ve bought better players. It doesn’t work that way with human beings. It can work, but the exception proves the rule.
Even Robson’s best team (79-82) were poor until Dec 79 and that was with minimal changes and in relative terms far better players than we have now. It takes time. Anyone who has assembled, managed or worked in any sort of team will tell you that.
So you are supportive of KM and are not asking for him to be sacked. Fine. But what are you asking for?
I also don’t see any reason why the league should be particularly stronger next year. Ok an established PL club in Wolves are likely to come down, but from what I saw the other day, they looked broken and very poor. They might even beat Derby’s record. [Post edited 20 Dec 11:58]
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