| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:33 - Jan 6 with 681 views | ElderGrizzly |
NATO countries (led by EU leaders) have just told him to stop.
If he attacks it, he is no different to Russia trying to take Ukraine
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:33 - Jan 6 with 676 views | Guthrum |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:28 - Jan 6 by LegendofthePhoenix |
Even under the frightful, aggressive and delusional leadership in the US, I cannot believe they would be so stupid as to try to invade Greenland. They have too much at stake, with military bases in Nato member states all around the globe. Well as soon as they invade, that would mean their bases would need to be de-activated. It potentially puts the US at war with all the other Nato members. At best, that would require all of the resources on both sides - leaving Russia and China free to carve up whatever they want around the globe.
Even the US cannot possibly be that stupid.
IMHO, it's rhetoric, and as long as Denmark, Greenland and other NATO members stand firm, that is what it will remain. |
The USA is no longer particularly concerned about China and Russia carving up the rest of the world, so long as they stay out of their hemisphere.
Washington will protect Taiwan, for the semiconductor industry, but not much beyond that. Europe is too awkward and business regulations make it harder to exploit. |  |
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:36 - Jan 6 with 668 views | WeWereZombies |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:02 - Jan 6 by giant_stow |
Is NATO already dead? I mean if Russia attacked a small European country tomorrow, would the US defend it? Not so sure, although I spose Europe might have to try for show. |
If the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation is no longer relevant then why did Sweden and Finland decide to join last year ? Just because nations do not make Billy Big Bollox noises doesn't mean they wouldn't be prepared to act but a softly softly approach is needed to minimise risks of escalation. So if Estonia were attacked, for example, I think it likely that there would be a boots on the ground response from Europe, which is what Putin has been bellyaching about for years so he is unlikely to precipitate that. |  |
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:37 - Jan 6 with 659 views | iamatractorboy |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:01 - Jan 6 by GlasgowBlue |
An operation like the one to kidnap Maduro takes months, if not years of preparation. They had to embed agents deep within the country and covertly turn many of Maduro's key people. It's not something you wake up in the morning and think "this will divert bad headlines".
Not saying that isn't an added bonus though. |
True but the convenient timing can be arranged in advance, I would assume. |  | | |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:37 - Jan 6 with 651 views | lowhouseblue |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:29 - Jan 6 by giant_stow |
true, but only so far. What happens when the new govt there wants to do something the US doesn't approve of? |
well that's the thing - what happens next. i suspect that trump doesn't have a plan. he can continue to blockade tankers etc, and use cia 'advisors', but troops on the ground is never going to end well. i guess a deal has been done with the new president over trade, non-us involvement, and access to oil, but elections, democracy, the economy, etc haven't been thought about. instability and chaos seem the most likely outcome with trump firing off a few more missiles but otherwise watching from afar. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:38 - Jan 6 with 654 views | ElderGrizzly |
Did you see the crazy rant from Stephen Miller on CNN yesterday?
And he is the puppeteer behind Trump’s foreign policy
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:40 - Jan 6 with 637 views | Guthrum |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:28 - Jan 6 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Entirely possible that the operation was moved up from later in his term as a direct response to the Epstein story though isn't it? |
I'm not convinced the Epstein story has enough in it to seriously threaten Trump. Nothing concrete has been pinned upon him and many of his supporters simply think it fake news.
Especially so now the MAGA-controlled Justice Department has had a chance to filter the documents.
Suggesting this is mere deflection does not cover the seriousness of the situation - this is ideological* and here to stay for the duration of this and possibly successive administrations.
* Not Trump's personal ideology, he doesn't have one beyond himself, family and associates. Advisors like Steven Miller are driving this. | |
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:40 - Jan 6 with 631 views | iamatractorboy |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:28 - Jan 6 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Entirely possible that the operation was moved up from later in his term as a direct response to the Epstein story though isn't it? |
Yes exactly my thoughts. | | | |
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:42 - Jan 6 with 616 views | Guthrum |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:36 - Jan 6 by WeWereZombies |
If the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation is no longer relevant then why did Sweden and Finland decide to join last year ? Just because nations do not make Billy Big Bollox noises doesn't mean they wouldn't be prepared to act but a softly softly approach is needed to minimise risks of escalation. So if Estonia were attacked, for example, I think it likely that there would be a boots on the ground response from Europe, which is what Putin has been bellyaching about for years so he is unlikely to precipitate that. |
The process for Sweden and Finland joining began well before Trump started his second term. The world was working on different assumptions to now. | |
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:45 - Jan 6 with 596 views | WeWereZombies |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:33 - Jan 6 by ElderGrizzly |
NATO countries (led by EU leaders) have just told him to stop.
If he attacks it, he is no different to Russia trying to take Ukraine
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If Meloni is telling Trump to take a hike then he really is losing allies. | |
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:45 - Jan 6 with 591 views | Churchman |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:00 - Jan 6 by NedPlimpton |
Would we even be able to physically defend anyone against the US? Most of our military tech, equipment etc comes from the US and we're so heavily dependent upon US companies for weapons, AI, Cloud infrastructure etc. I'm not sure it would even be possible for us to do practically anything militarily without the US? |
It isn’t. We cannot do anything without them, not that there’s much left to do anything with. But that doesn’t stop the U.K. looking to move away from the US over time and that’s what we should be doing.
But Starmer won’t. It’d mean actually investing more in our hollowed out military and supporting industries and that just isn’t Labour’s policy. Vague promises of 10 years time, the odd review and a bit of tub thumping is the max we will see from them.
The hapless opposition is worse if anything. It was obvious what was going to happen around the time of the Crimea invasion if not before and all the tories did was provide an income for the scrap men with their pathetic ‘austerity’ programme.
He is not interested and his party won’t allow it. Fingers in ears, eyes shut and hope for the best whilst balancing the buttcheeks either side of fence is the policy. |  | | |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:56 - Jan 6 with 561 views | J2BLUE |
NATO is now a theory. if Russia attack Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania the US are not going to honour their commitments are they? Let's be realistic. And if the US don't help the whole thing goes out the window. Hungary will immediately say they are out. One by one other nations will rule out intervening and will fall back to a new European defence pact without the weaker nations where they all pinky swear that NEXT TIME when it's an important country we will definitely intervene.
This is just a prediction if Russia attacks a NATO country. I am not even criticising Europe. I keep seeing people criticising Europe for not doing enough. I assume they want a military response but how many calling for it want to go and fight? Or are people just happy sending our actual army to fight and die as long as we don't get conscripted? |  |
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:58 - Jan 6 with 555 views | Pendejo |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:00 - Jan 6 by giant_stow |
I don't think Trump even has to talk about military action to get Greenland - he'd most likely just announce it's now US property. |
Much like the oligarchs " (aka gangsters) did all over Russia 20 years or so ago |  |
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 15:02 - Jan 6 with 538 views | Churchman |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:56 - Jan 6 by J2BLUE |
NATO is now a theory. if Russia attack Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania the US are not going to honour their commitments are they? Let's be realistic. And if the US don't help the whole thing goes out the window. Hungary will immediately say they are out. One by one other nations will rule out intervening and will fall back to a new European defence pact without the weaker nations where they all pinky swear that NEXT TIME when it's an important country we will definitely intervene.
This is just a prediction if Russia attacks a NATO country. I am not even criticising Europe. I keep seeing people criticising Europe for not doing enough. I assume they want a military response but how many calling for it want to go and fight? Or are people just happy sending our actual army to fight and die as long as we don't get conscripted? |
NATO is dead and buried. In the bin. Trump has seen to that and there’s no going back. Politicians waffling on about it either know it or are in complete denial.
The official policy for all bar the US is ‘eat him first’. That’s why Poland and a few other tasty meals is desperately trying to rearm while the bigger countries further away hope the problem goes away. | | | |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 15:06 - Jan 6 with 515 views | WeWereZombies |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:56 - Jan 6 by J2BLUE |
NATO is now a theory. if Russia attack Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania the US are not going to honour their commitments are they? Let's be realistic. And if the US don't help the whole thing goes out the window. Hungary will immediately say they are out. One by one other nations will rule out intervening and will fall back to a new European defence pact without the weaker nations where they all pinky swear that NEXT TIME when it's an important country we will definitely intervene.
This is just a prediction if Russia attacks a NATO country. I am not even criticising Europe. I keep seeing people criticising Europe for not doing enough. I assume they want a military response but how many calling for it want to go and fight? Or are people just happy sending our actual army to fight and die as long as we don't get conscripted? |
I think you are way off the mark with this. Finland, Sweden, Norway and Poland would feel immediately threatened if Russia tried to re-take those Baltic nations. It would be a land war for Russian forces already weakened by Ukraine and against some of the best severe weather troops in the World, a lose of face for Putin that would eclipse the overthrow of Assad in Syria even. United States air power, given its variable success in the Balkans for example, could be more hindrance than help. | |
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 15:10 - Jan 6 with 490 views | J2BLUE |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 15:06 - Jan 6 by WeWereZombies |
I think you are way off the mark with this. Finland, Sweden, Norway and Poland would feel immediately threatened if Russia tried to re-take those Baltic nations. It would be a land war for Russian forces already weakened by Ukraine and against some of the best severe weather troops in the World, a lose of face for Putin that would eclipse the overthrow of Assad in Syria even. United States air power, given its variable success in the Balkans for example, could be more hindrance than help. |
I hope I am wrong. I hope there is peace in Ukraine and everything settles down. | |
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 15:13 - Jan 6 with 479 views | J2BLUE |
I'd rather have a £5 Boots giftcard | |
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 15:22 - Jan 6 with 464 views | NthQldITFC |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 13:55 - Jan 6 by StokieBlue |
The latest Miller gambit:
"The real question is what right does Denmark have to assert control over Greenland? What is the basis of their territorial claim? What is their basis of having Greenland as a colony of Denmark?"
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What right does the USA have to assert control over Hawaii? What right does the USA have to assert control over Alaska? What is the basis of their territorial claims? What is their basis of having Hawaii and Alaska as states of the USA? |  |
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 15:22 - Jan 6 with 463 views | ElderGrizzly |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:56 - Jan 6 by J2BLUE |
NATO is now a theory. if Russia attack Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania the US are not going to honour their commitments are they? Let's be realistic. And if the US don't help the whole thing goes out the window. Hungary will immediately say they are out. One by one other nations will rule out intervening and will fall back to a new European defence pact without the weaker nations where they all pinky swear that NEXT TIME when it's an important country we will definitely intervene.
This is just a prediction if Russia attacks a NATO country. I am not even criticising Europe. I keep seeing people criticising Europe for not doing enough. I assume they want a military response but how many calling for it want to go and fight? Or are people just happy sending our actual army to fight and die as long as we don't get conscripted? |
Lithuania has seen some interesting ‘incursions’ from Belarus recently. Blamed on weather balloons and drug drops, but there is so much more behind it.
Belarus has also just allowed Russian troops to strengthen within their country too | | | |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 15:23 - Jan 6 with 455 views | ElderGrizzly |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:45 - Jan 6 by WeWereZombies |
If Meloni is telling Trump to take a hike then he really is losing allies. |
We’ll see Putin go “come on, that’s a bit much Don” soon. | | | |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 15:35 - Jan 6 with 413 views | ElderGrizzly |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 14:56 - Jan 6 by J2BLUE |
NATO is now a theory. if Russia attack Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania the US are not going to honour their commitments are they? Let's be realistic. And if the US don't help the whole thing goes out the window. Hungary will immediately say they are out. One by one other nations will rule out intervening and will fall back to a new European defence pact without the weaker nations where they all pinky swear that NEXT TIME when it's an important country we will definitely intervene.
This is just a prediction if Russia attacks a NATO country. I am not even criticising Europe. I keep seeing people criticising Europe for not doing enough. I assume they want a military response but how many calling for it want to go and fight? Or are people just happy sending our actual army to fight and die as long as we don't get conscripted? |
People sometimes forget Trump has been anti-NATO for almost 40 years. He just didn’t have the power to do anything about it in 1987 bar a few newspaper ads
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 15:44 - Jan 6 with 391 views | WeWereZombies |
| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 15:10 - Jan 6 by J2BLUE |
I hope I am wrong. I hope there is peace in Ukraine and everything settles down. |
Depending upon who joins in you are expecting Russia to defend a land border of around five and a half thousand kilometres ? And that would just be a Western front, further east they have p!ssed off a lot of people too. Not that things will calm down much in Ukraine, the war has deferred a lot of 'business'... | |
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 15:45 - Jan 6 with 381 views | Mercian |
I think Trump is no longer in control. He obviously is on the decline both physically and metally and the so called "Yes Men" he appointed are anything but. I can imagine Miller, Rubio and Graham stroking his ego: "We love you and think you are amazing Mr President, give us the go ahead to invade X, Y or Z and we will take care of the rest Sir. The American people will love you for it and you said it yourself, Greenlanders and Canadians overwhealmingly want their lands to become part of The Land of The Free." If JD Vance thought that evoking The 25th Ammendment would suit his needs he would do so today but it doesn't. Trump is becoming more of a figurehead every hour. [Post edited 6 Jan 15:48]
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| "Trump aide says no-one would fight US over Greenland" on 15:51 - Jan 6 with 368 views | BloomBlue |
They will do nothing. If Europe miltary attacked America, 1, they dont have the power to hurt America. Europe has spent the last 10 years reducing spending on miltary, letting the Yanks fund NATO. 2, If Europe did, you can bet Russia would use the opportunity to also attack the parts of Europe they want back.
Sanctions are pointless, Europe needs the US market.
So the world will wag its finger and say that's naughty of you.
China will they say, well if you can do that we will take Taiwan. Its at that point Trump will either say OK or the peace president with start WW3. |  | | |
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