| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:02 - Jan 29 with 844 views | soupytwist |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 10:55 - Jan 29 by Guthrum |
Even in that sense, it's only much older diesel vehicles. I drive a 13-year-old petrol car, which is ULEZ exempt. As are a lot of even 7- or 8-year-old diesels (I was recently looking around at the 2nd hand market). |
Yes, I expect that there are other factors besides omissions, such as passenger crash safety, which also contribute to the age restrictions on vehicles that can be licensed as taxis.
As I think I've said before my daughter's 09 plate petrol Corsa is ULEZ-compliant. My old 57 plate Saab diesel probably isn't. |  | |  |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:10 - Jan 29 with 829 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 10:25 - Jan 29 by OldFart71 |
Achieved its aims ? I think you need to speak to London cabbies and people who have to enter the capital to get a true reflection of what they think about Citizen Khan and his ULEZ scheme.
Whilst he swans about spending money on flying himself and his staff on a jolly ordinary people are being prevented from doing their day to day jobs. |
For people who live in central London, ULEZ was a fantastic policy. Ten years ago, if I opened my kitchen window, my windowsill would be covered in black particulates within half an hour. That's no longer the case. The pollution made me suffer from permanent hay fever, and that went too. Imagine how much better it is for people with more severe conditions like asthma. |  | | |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:11 - Jan 29 with 821 views | OldFart71 |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 10:32 - Jan 29 by StokieBlue |
It has achieved it's aims, it's vastly improved the air quality in the capital.
Why should people who don't live in the capital but travel in like you've highlighted be allowed to pollute the air for those that do actually live there? That's an incredibly entitled view in my opinion. Should I come and sit outside your house and leave my polluting car idling all day?
It's you who has got this all wrong, not Khan.
I would also point out that over 60% of black cabs are now electric.
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A while ago I took one of your electric cabs across London. The cabbie told me they hated Khan. He also said that you go down the wrong road and you can be fined £200.
He also said because some roads were closed traffic had to travel much further than necessary. How is that preventing pollution ?
Also Khan flying here and there and being chauffeured everywhere in a V8 diesel Range Rover kinda scraps the idea he's concerned with pollution. |  | | |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:13 - Jan 29 with 818 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 10:25 - Jan 29 by OldFart71 |
Achieved its aims ? I think you need to speak to London cabbies and people who have to enter the capital to get a true reflection of what they think about Citizen Khan and his ULEZ scheme.
Whilst he swans about spending money on flying himself and his staff on a jolly ordinary people are being prevented from doing their day to day jobs. |
The day I speak to a London cabbie to get a true reflection of anything...
Although I am maybe being unfair, and basing my prejudice on what they used to be like.
It's possible that now they are inhaling less toxic gas and getting more oxygen to their brains, the quality of their thinking will have improved. | | | |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:16 - Jan 29 with 804 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:01 - Jan 29 by bsw72 |
Yes - but the more extreme your views, the more extreme content you are fed and the less the opinions held are challenged.
The ability for some to think critically about what they are viewing is very low - and therefore they can pose a more significsant threat. [Post edited 29 Jan 11:02]
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Your comments are very interesting. Thinking critically here...
1. I would say that just turning on the TV, radio or chatting to Joe Public will challenge or ridicule extremist views.
2. I'd say there's a danger of mistaking critical thinking for majority thinking. I believe non-critical thinkers are the majority in all societies, so it may turn out to be the "majority" that pose the greatest threat. The early 20th Century has its examples of exactly this. This is how democracies produce tyrants. |  | | |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:17 - Jan 29 with 789 views | NthQldITFC |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:11 - Jan 29 by OldFart71 |
A while ago I took one of your electric cabs across London. The cabbie told me they hated Khan. He also said that you go down the wrong road and you can be fined £200.
He also said because some roads were closed traffic had to travel much further than necessary. How is that preventing pollution ?
Also Khan flying here and there and being chauffeured everywhere in a V8 diesel Range Rover kinda scraps the idea he's concerned with pollution. |
Such a myopic view. |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:19 - Jan 29 with 776 views | Blueschev |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:11 - Jan 29 by OldFart71 |
A while ago I took one of your electric cabs across London. The cabbie told me they hated Khan. He also said that you go down the wrong road and you can be fined £200.
He also said because some roads were closed traffic had to travel much further than necessary. How is that preventing pollution ?
Also Khan flying here and there and being chauffeured everywhere in a V8 diesel Range Rover kinda scraps the idea he's concerned with pollution. |
Did he also say that these days, if you say you're English, you get arrested and thrown in jail? |  | | |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:23 - Jan 29 with 748 views | NedPlimpton |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:11 - Jan 29 by OldFart71 |
A while ago I took one of your electric cabs across London. The cabbie told me they hated Khan. He also said that you go down the wrong road and you can be fined £200.
He also said because some roads were closed traffic had to travel much further than necessary. How is that preventing pollution ?
Also Khan flying here and there and being chauffeured everywhere in a V8 diesel Range Rover kinda scraps the idea he's concerned with pollution. |
Ah so you've reached a conclusion on ULEZ based on the feedback of one London cabbie
Good stuff
Take a read of this for a broader perspective. It might change your mind, but it does feel like you've taken a liking to this particular cabbie so I doubt it
https://www.bath.ac.uk/announc |  | | |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:24 - Jan 29 with 745 views | bsw72 |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:16 - Jan 29 by Cafe_Newman |
Your comments are very interesting. Thinking critically here...
1. I would say that just turning on the TV, radio or chatting to Joe Public will challenge or ridicule extremist views.
2. I'd say there's a danger of mistaking critical thinking for majority thinking. I believe non-critical thinkers are the majority in all societies, so it may turn out to be the "majority" that pose the greatest threat. The early 20th Century has its examples of exactly this. This is how democracies produce tyrants. |
Calling that "thinking critically" feels a little unearned . . .
Saying “turn on the TV or chat to Joe Public” will root out extremists treats exposure as the same thing as testing a claim. True critical thinking checks mechanisms and evidence: who’s speaking, what incentives and algorithms shape what we see, and whether ridicule actually changes minds (often it doesn’t). That’s a shallow model of persuasion, not a critical one.
Similarly, asserting “non‑critical thinkers are the majority” is a sweeping generalization with no evidence and a built‑in elitist view. Critical thinking means testing your own premise who measured this majority, in what contexts, and by what standard?
History shows democracies fail for many interacting reasons (economic crisis, institutional collapse, elite choices, propaganda), not simply because a mass of people lack reflective habits. Your claim also becomes self‑defeating: if the majority really aren’t critical, why trust the blanket judgment that they aren’t?
If you want to model real critical thinking, name the evidence, define your terms, show causal mechanisms, and consider alternatives. Otherwise it reads as a pessimistic opinion, not a reasoned analysis. |  | | |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:27 - Jan 29 with 736 views | StokieBlue |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:11 - Jan 29 by OldFart71 |
A while ago I took one of your electric cabs across London. The cabbie told me they hated Khan. He also said that you go down the wrong road and you can be fined £200.
He also said because some roads were closed traffic had to travel much further than necessary. How is that preventing pollution ?
Also Khan flying here and there and being chauffeured everywhere in a V8 diesel Range Rover kinda scraps the idea he's concerned with pollution. |
You're all over the place, why do you even care given you clearly don't live in London.
- Your example of a discussion with one can driver isn't evidence.
- Getting fined for going down the wrong street has nothing to do with local emissions.
- LTNs are there to reduce pollution on cut through routes and to encourage cycling. As someone who does both they work well.
- Khan flying places has nothing to do with local emissions and sounds suspiciously like an exaggerated example from some FB who chamber. So you have any evidence of this excessive flying?
The fact you're ignoring and not engaging with the scientific facts is the issue here. Your anecdotal and tangential arguments highlight everything that is wrong about debating nowadays.
You've dismissed the evidence because a chat you had with a cabbie aligns with your views.
It's tiresome.
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:29 - Jan 29 with 728 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:24 - Jan 29 by bsw72 |
Calling that "thinking critically" feels a little unearned . . .
Saying “turn on the TV or chat to Joe Public” will root out extremists treats exposure as the same thing as testing a claim. True critical thinking checks mechanisms and evidence: who’s speaking, what incentives and algorithms shape what we see, and whether ridicule actually changes minds (often it doesn’t). That’s a shallow model of persuasion, not a critical one.
Similarly, asserting “non‑critical thinkers are the majority” is a sweeping generalization with no evidence and a built‑in elitist view. Critical thinking means testing your own premise who measured this majority, in what contexts, and by what standard?
History shows democracies fail for many interacting reasons (economic crisis, institutional collapse, elite choices, propaganda), not simply because a mass of people lack reflective habits. Your claim also becomes self‑defeating: if the majority really aren’t critical, why trust the blanket judgment that they aren’t?
If you want to model real critical thinking, name the evidence, define your terms, show causal mechanisms, and consider alternatives. Otherwise it reads as a pessimistic opinion, not a reasoned analysis. |
Some great comments there. I'll critically appraise them and get back to you after work. Cheers. | | | |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:31 - Jan 29 with 719 views | mellowblue |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:11 - Jan 29 by OldFart71 |
A while ago I took one of your electric cabs across London. The cabbie told me they hated Khan. He also said that you go down the wrong road and you can be fined £200.
He also said because some roads were closed traffic had to travel much further than necessary. How is that preventing pollution ?
Also Khan flying here and there and being chauffeured everywhere in a V8 diesel Range Rover kinda scraps the idea he's concerned with pollution. |
To be fair cabbies love to have a moan. Nothing in the world is right with them. Sweeping generalisation, lacking all investigative and scientific evidence, I realize. | | | |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:31 - Jan 29 with 718 views | Guthrum |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:16 - Jan 29 by Cafe_Newman |
Your comments are very interesting. Thinking critically here...
1. I would say that just turning on the TV, radio or chatting to Joe Public will challenge or ridicule extremist views.
2. I'd say there's a danger of mistaking critical thinking for majority thinking. I believe non-critical thinkers are the majority in all societies, so it may turn out to be the "majority" that pose the greatest threat. The early 20th Century has its examples of exactly this. This is how democracies produce tyrants. |
Increasingly, people do not turn on the TV or radio. It is much easier to get the content you like on the internet. Plus there is a level of indoctrination against it. The BBC decried as "biased" - by all sides - the term Mainstream Media (MSM) used as a perjorative. A narrative of: "The authorities are trying to pull the wool over your eyes, trust what I say instead".
People don't tend to discuss politics except with fairly close friends, as they don't want to risk causing arguments or triggering rants.
As regards "critical thinking", or the ability to analyse sources and assess bias, it is a learnt skill. People used to rely upon editors to do a lot of that work, weeding out - or at least marginalising - the most out-there stuff. Now, however, there is a vast morass of writing/video online, much of it with no editorial oversight. In an era when education has become (by policy) more about rote learning for passing exams than teaching people to think.
Social media is especially pernicious in presenting material from instinctively trusted sources (family and friends), which serves to bypass what guards the recipient may have up. The stuff likely did not originate with them, but it is now inside the circle, with borrowed credibility. |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:32 - Jan 29 with 718 views | giant_stow |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:11 - Jan 29 by OldFart71 |
A while ago I took one of your electric cabs across London. The cabbie told me they hated Khan. He also said that you go down the wrong road and you can be fined £200.
He also said because some roads were closed traffic had to travel much further than necessary. How is that preventing pollution ?
Also Khan flying here and there and being chauffeured everywhere in a V8 diesel Range Rover kinda scraps the idea he's concerned with pollution. |
The idea of roads being shut is that its meant to discourage car journeys (espeically shirter ones). Ive always worried about how this funnels traffic in to main roads or chosen side roads which do remain open, and how that affects the people living there. Got to say though, its transformed those lucky sub-areas which have been more or less shut to traffic (although they always leave one rout in and out for obvious reasons).
Not aure how i feel about the ltn policy (you're wrong about Ulez -- thats a clear win) but you miight say a cabbie should welcome it as it keeps ither cars of his roads. |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:38 - Jan 29 with 696 views | Herbivore |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 10:25 - Jan 29 by OldFart71 |
Achieved its aims ? I think you need to speak to London cabbies and people who have to enter the capital to get a true reflection of what they think about Citizen Khan and his ULEZ scheme.
Whilst he swans about spending money on flying himself and his staff on a jolly ordinary people are being prevented from doing their day to day jobs. |
I think the data is a better indicator of whether it achieved its aims than a conversation with a cabbie. Thank you for nicely encapsulating why the country is f***ed though. |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:42 - Jan 29 with 666 views | homer_123 |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:10 - Jan 29 by Clapham_Junction |
For people who live in central London, ULEZ was a fantastic policy. Ten years ago, if I opened my kitchen window, my windowsill would be covered in black particulates within half an hour. That's no longer the case. The pollution made me suffer from permanent hay fever, and that went too. Imagine how much better it is for people with more severe conditions like asthma. |
Yeah but my car! |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:45 - Jan 29 with 653 views | Weekender |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:27 - Jan 29 by StokieBlue |
You're all over the place, why do you even care given you clearly don't live in London.
- Your example of a discussion with one can driver isn't evidence.
- Getting fined for going down the wrong street has nothing to do with local emissions.
- LTNs are there to reduce pollution on cut through routes and to encourage cycling. As someone who does both they work well.
- Khan flying places has nothing to do with local emissions and sounds suspiciously like an exaggerated example from some FB who chamber. So you have any evidence of this excessive flying?
The fact you're ignoring and not engaging with the scientific facts is the issue here. Your anecdotal and tangential arguments highlight everything that is wrong about debating nowadays.
You've dismissed the evidence because a chat you had with a cabbie aligns with your views.
It's tiresome.
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Almost as if his agenda is against Khan rather than ULEZ. I wonder why that could be? |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:49 - Jan 29 with 651 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:32 - Jan 29 by giant_stow |
The idea of roads being shut is that its meant to discourage car journeys (espeically shirter ones). Ive always worried about how this funnels traffic in to main roads or chosen side roads which do remain open, and how that affects the people living there. Got to say though, its transformed those lucky sub-areas which have been more or less shut to traffic (although they always leave one rout in and out for obvious reasons).
Not aure how i feel about the ltn policy (you're wrong about Ulez -- thats a clear win) but you miight say a cabbie should welcome it as it keeps ither cars of his roads. |
A cabbie should welcome it because, as someone who spends their entire working life in the pollution corridor of urban roads, any improvement in air quality there, with better outcomes for health in general, will disproportionately mean better health outcomes for the cabbie in particular, as they have a significantly higher than average exposure.
But maybe the cabbie wasn't listening on the day that William from Ockham called into Nick Ferrari's phone in on the ULEZ. | | | |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:54 - Jan 29 with 643 views | giant_stow |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:49 - Jan 29 by ArnoldMoorhen |
A cabbie should welcome it because, as someone who spends their entire working life in the pollution corridor of urban roads, any improvement in air quality there, with better outcomes for health in general, will disproportionately mean better health outcomes for the cabbie in particular, as they have a significantly higher than average exposure.
But maybe the cabbie wasn't listening on the day that William from Ockham called into Nick Ferrari's phone in on the ULEZ. |
Very good point about the cabbie's own health. I believe lung cancer rates in london bus drivers are extremely high (i know of one who died) | |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 12:48 - Jan 29 with 564 views | bluester |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:32 - Jan 29 by giant_stow |
The idea of roads being shut is that its meant to discourage car journeys (espeically shirter ones). Ive always worried about how this funnels traffic in to main roads or chosen side roads which do remain open, and how that affects the people living there. Got to say though, its transformed those lucky sub-areas which have been more or less shut to traffic (although they always leave one rout in and out for obvious reasons).
Not aure how i feel about the ltn policy (you're wrong about Ulez -- thats a clear win) but you miight say a cabbie should welcome it as it keeps ither cars of his roads. |
It’s worked really well where I live. In the first couple of years after we moved in, our road was pretty quiet, but as apps like Waze became more popular, the traffic steadily crept back toward our street and eventually far beyond it. We’d have cars tearing down the road at 40–50mph (20mph limit), often going the wrong way just to cut the line. Rush hour turned into this constant backdrop of revving engines, blaring stereos and general chaos. As someone with asthma, the air quality got so bad we ended up buying purifiers for every room. And the litter was everywhere.
After a lot of complaints, the council finally introduced rush hour restrictions (still allowing blue badge holders and emergency vehicles), and honestly the change has been remarkable. Everyone expected the main road to become unbearable, but that hasn’t happened at all. If anything, traffic seems lighter on the adjoining roads too.
I get that in some places LTNs have been poorly designed and caused problems, but in our case it’s been the complete opposite. Those situations really do feel like the exception. [Post edited 29 Jan 12:57]
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 13:50 - Jan 29 with 512 views | GeoffSentence |
In the UK there are 30,000 deaths related to air pollution every year.
30,000
year on year
The whole country was shutdown due to covid and that lasted just two years, air pollution is killing people repeatedly, every single year.
Something needs to be done and the ULEZ in London is a good start. I only wish this was taken up by more authorities including Ipswicch
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/new |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 13:51 - Jan 29 with 503 views | Steve_M |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 10:32 - Jan 29 by Cafe_Newman |
Perhaps you're right. I'm about a decade younger than that man and don't use any social media, so my gripes are still fomented over a pint.
You (as in 'one') always assume other people are like you, but perhaps I'm an exception having practically no social media presence. |
Fair point though, a better explanation for my comment would have helped. |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 14:35 - Jan 29 with 432 views | Dubtractor |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 13:50 - Jan 29 by GeoffSentence |
In the UK there are 30,000 deaths related to air pollution every year.
30,000
year on year
The whole country was shutdown due to covid and that lasted just two years, air pollution is killing people repeatedly, every single year.
Something needs to be done and the ULEZ in London is a good start. I only wish this was taken up by more authorities including Ipswicch
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/new |
Yeah, but taxi drivers....... |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 14:45 - Jan 29 with 418 views | BlueBadger |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:11 - Jan 29 by OldFart71 |
A while ago I took one of your electric cabs across London. The cabbie told me they hated Khan. He also said that you go down the wrong road and you can be fined £200.
He also said because some roads were closed traffic had to travel much further than necessary. How is that preventing pollution ?
Also Khan flying here and there and being chauffeured everywhere in a V8 diesel Range Rover kinda scraps the idea he's concerned with pollution. |
And when you got out, did everyone applaud? |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 14:48 - Jan 29 with 411 views | jaykay |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:11 - Jan 29 by OldFart71 |
A while ago I took one of your electric cabs across London. The cabbie told me they hated Khan. He also said that you go down the wrong road and you can be fined £200.
He also said because some roads were closed traffic had to travel much further than necessary. How is that preventing pollution ?
Also Khan flying here and there and being chauffeured everywhere in a V8 diesel Range Rover kinda scraps the idea he's concerned with pollution. |
you and farage must use the same taxi.
Sharia Law Claim (Sept 2025): In an interview with LBC, Farage stated that he believed Sharia Law was being introduced to the UK because he had been told so by a taxi driver.
Migrant Claims: In the same LBC interview, he reportedly cited a taxi driver for claims about migrants. |  |
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