| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 15:07 - Jan 29 with 991 views | bluester |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 14:48 - Jan 29 by jaykay |
you and farage must use the same taxi.
Sharia Law Claim (Sept 2025): In an interview with LBC, Farage stated that he believed Sharia Law was being introduced to the UK because he had been told so by a taxi driver.
Migrant Claims: In the same LBC interview, he reportedly cited a taxi driver for claims about migrants. |
About a week before the Brexit vote, I remember walking down Great Smith Street when Farage came stumbling out of The Cinnamon Club (he seemed to be there most lunchtimes), a taxi pulled over, wound down the window (Nigel looked delighted) and the taxi driver shouts "Oi Nigel you c**t, you're ruining this country, you should be f***ing ashamed of yourself!". I can still remember the look of utter shock on his face. |  | |  |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 15:15 - Jan 29 with 972 views | Steve_M |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 15:07 - Jan 29 by bluester |
About a week before the Brexit vote, I remember walking down Great Smith Street when Farage came stumbling out of The Cinnamon Club (he seemed to be there most lunchtimes), a taxi pulled over, wound down the window (Nigel looked delighted) and the taxi driver shouts "Oi Nigel you c**t, you're ruining this country, you should be f***ing ashamed of yourself!". I can still remember the look of utter shock on his face. |
We need to bring back POTD. |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 15:15 - Jan 29 with 970 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:11 - Jan 29 by OldFart71 |
A while ago I took one of your electric cabs across London. The cabbie told me they hated Khan. He also said that you go down the wrong road and you can be fined £200.
He also said because some roads were closed traffic had to travel much further than necessary. How is that preventing pollution ?
Also Khan flying here and there and being chauffeured everywhere in a V8 diesel Range Rover kinda scraps the idea he's concerned with pollution. |
I've been down a wrong road and got fined £65, so not sure where your cabbie got £200 from.
And being a cabbie, he probably ought to know where he's going.
I smell BS (either from you or the cabbie). Amazing, all the factual information people have given you in this thread and yet you double down and apparently ignore it. |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 15:20 - Jan 29 with 953 views | giant_stow |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 15:15 - Jan 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've been down a wrong road and got fined £65, so not sure where your cabbie got £200 from.
And being a cabbie, he probably ought to know where he's going.
I smell BS (either from you or the cabbie). Amazing, all the factual information people have given you in this thread and yet you double down and apparently ignore it. |
To be fair to this cabbie, new School Streets can pop up quickly and it can be easy to miss the signs. |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 17:37 - Jan 29 with 847 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 15:20 - Jan 29 by giant_stow |
To be fair to this cabbie, new School Streets can pop up quickly and it can be easy to miss the signs. |
It's still not a £200 fine. | |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 17:40 - Jan 29 with 848 views | BlueBadger |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 10:25 - Jan 29 by OldFart71 |
Achieved its aims ? I think you need to speak to London cabbies and people who have to enter the capital to get a true reflection of what they think about Citizen Khan and his ULEZ scheme.
Whilst he swans about spending money on flying himself and his staff on a jolly ordinary people are being prevented from doing their day to day jobs. |
Imagine posting this and thinking 'yeah, this is 100% gold content'. |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 18:31 - Jan 29 with 801 views | NedPlimpton |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 17:40 - Jan 29 by BlueBadger |
Imagine posting this and thinking 'yeah, this is 100% gold content'. |
Noticeable by his absence since people have actually posted evidence of the benefits of ULEZ |  | | |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 18:37 - Jan 29 with 780 views | BlueBadger |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 18:31 - Jan 29 by NedPlimpton |
Noticeable by his absence since people have actually posted evidence of the benefits of ULEZ |
Facts are like kryptonite to the Very Real Concerns gang. | |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 18:48 - Jan 29 with 760 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 10:58 - Jan 29 by Cafe_Newman |
Sincerely, don't all media providers work that way? [Post edited 29 Jan 11:05]
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Twtd doesn't!
Unless you believe those who claim it is full of lefty Guardian readers and no one challenges anything they (I must mean we, surely) write! |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 19:25 - Jan 29 with 734 views | NedPlimpton |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 18:37 - Jan 29 by BlueBadger |
Facts are like kryptonite to the Very Real Concerns gang. |
Maybe there's a taxi driver on here who'd be happy to share the links to the benefits of ULEZ? Perhaps he'd believe it then? | | | |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 19:48 - Jan 29 with 703 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:31 - Jan 29 by mellowblue |
To be fair cabbies love to have a moan. Nothing in the world is right with them. Sweeping generalisation, lacking all investigative and scientific evidence, I realize. |
I don't use cabs but I suspect most drivers fairly quickly assess the reactions of the person they are chatting with and direct their conversation towards what they believe that person will want to hear. Rather like barbers. | |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 22:49 - Jan 29 with 658 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:24 - Jan 29 by bsw72 |
Calling that "thinking critically" feels a little unearned . . .
Saying “turn on the TV or chat to Joe Public” will root out extremists treats exposure as the same thing as testing a claim. True critical thinking checks mechanisms and evidence: who’s speaking, what incentives and algorithms shape what we see, and whether ridicule actually changes minds (often it doesn’t). That’s a shallow model of persuasion, not a critical one.
Similarly, asserting “non‑critical thinkers are the majority” is a sweeping generalization with no evidence and a built‑in elitist view. Critical thinking means testing your own premise who measured this majority, in what contexts, and by what standard?
History shows democracies fail for many interacting reasons (economic crisis, institutional collapse, elite choices, propaganda), not simply because a mass of people lack reflective habits. Your claim also becomes self‑defeating: if the majority really aren’t critical, why trust the blanket judgment that they aren’t?
If you want to model real critical thinking, name the evidence, define your terms, show causal mechanisms, and consider alternatives. Otherwise it reads as a pessimistic opinion, not a reasoned analysis. |
1. On “turning on the TV or chatting to Joe Public”
I didn’t claim that doing so would root out extremists.
My point was narrower: offline environments tend to challenge or ridicule extreme views more than online echo chambers, where people often self‑select into audiences that reinforce their existing beliefs. That’s a contrast in exposure patterns, not a claim about how to test truth.
2. On “asserting non‑critical thinkers are the majority”
What I said was: “I believe non‑critical thinkers are the majority in all societies.”
A belief is not the same as an assertion of fact. You’re treating it as if I claimed empirical certainty, which I didn’t.
The reasoning behind that belief is straightforward:
- Critical thinking is cognitively demanding.
- Most everyday cognition relies on heuristics and automatic processes.
- Deliberate, metacognitive thinking is therefore a non‑default mode.
Non‑default modes, by definition, are minority behaviours. That’s the basis of the belief — not an appeal to elitism.
3. On the historical point
I wasn’t offering a theory of why democracies collapse.
I was giving an example of how majorities can produce outcomes that are dangerous — such as electing tyrants. That’s not a monocausal explanation; it’s an illustration of why “majority = safe” is a flawed assumption.
4. On the “self‑defeating” argument
This critique only works if I were claiming that the majority’s judgment is reliable.
I’m not. I’m offering my own judgment about the distribution of critical thinking. There’s no circularity there.
5. On your final paragraph about critical thinking
The template you describe — claim, evidence, mechanism, alternatives — is a structure for presenting arguments. It’s useful, but it’s not the same thing as critical thinking itself.
Critical thinking is a cognitive process:
- recognising assumptions
- evaluating inferences
- identifying fallibility
- examining perspectives
- testing coherence
You can follow a rhetorical structure perfectly and still think uncritically.
My point is simply that you’re conflating the presentation of reasoning with the process of critical thought.
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 23:38 - Jan 29 with 623 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 10:25 - Jan 29 by OldFart71 |
Achieved its aims ? I think you need to speak to London cabbies and people who have to enter the capital to get a true reflection of what they think about Citizen Khan and his ULEZ scheme.
Whilst he swans about spending money on flying himself and his staff on a jolly ordinary people are being prevented from doing their day to day jobs. |
B sh1t 1/10 and that's over egging it
Big fan of respiratory diseases are you |  | | |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 09:47 - Jan 30 with 515 views | crouchendyachtclub |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:32 - Jan 29 by giant_stow |
The idea of roads being shut is that its meant to discourage car journeys (espeically shirter ones). Ive always worried about how this funnels traffic in to main roads or chosen side roads which do remain open, and how that affects the people living there. Got to say though, its transformed those lucky sub-areas which have been more or less shut to traffic (although they always leave one rout in and out for obvious reasons).
Not aure how i feel about the ltn policy (you're wrong about Ulez -- thats a clear win) but you miight say a cabbie should welcome it as it keeps ither cars of his roads. |
I saw the stats yesterday but can't remember specifics off the top of my head.
There are a few places like Blackstock road in Islington where traffic has been severely increased but broadly speaking (80%+), even boundary roads have seen a fall in overall traffic so they do seem to be working.
It has definitely been, and still is, an issue that too many cars are attempting to use streets that weren't designed for them so I don't blame local councils for taking action. I would say that there does seem to have been a lack of action in providing alternatives for people that do need to get from one side of London to the other though. The m25 and circular roads probably need some work if we want to send people round rather than through.
As a rule though, both ULEZ and LTN panic can be filed under talking points for discord virgins. [Post edited 30 Jan 9:48]
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 10:02 - Jan 30 with 487 views | N2_Blue |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 10:55 - Jan 29 by Guthrum |
Even in that sense, it's only much older diesel vehicles. I drive a 13-year-old petrol car, which is ULEZ exempt. As are a lot of even 7- or 8-year-old diesels (I was recently looking around at the 2nd hand market). |
I still have my 2007 petrol vauxhall Astra. It's ULEZ exempt. there are so many untruths on this thread about how its impacted people. There was also the scrappage scheme.
Anyone not seeing this had a positive impact just doesn't like any kind of rules in existence.
Its like the people who constanctly crticise Khan for knife crime. Then the recent results published showed a drop in knife crime. The response from the Khan bashers, oh they've fixed the figures, it's not true. There is genuinely no reasoning with some people - they just don't like certain inviduals no matter what they do. |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 10:09 - Jan 30 with 474 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 10:02 - Jan 30 by N2_Blue |
I still have my 2007 petrol vauxhall Astra. It's ULEZ exempt. there are so many untruths on this thread about how its impacted people. There was also the scrappage scheme.
Anyone not seeing this had a positive impact just doesn't like any kind of rules in existence.
Its like the people who constanctly crticise Khan for knife crime. Then the recent results published showed a drop in knife crime. The response from the Khan bashers, oh they've fixed the figures, it's not true. There is genuinely no reasoning with some people - they just don't like certain inviduals no matter what they do. |
It’s a peculiar thing that certain “patriot” types on line have for bashing our capital city. Mostly by people who don’t live there too. I don’t mind visiting (although I wouldn’t like the constant busyness if I lived there), but pretty much everyone I know who lives in the Greater London area likes the place. And the metrics on a lot of indicators seem to be moving in the right direction. It doesn’t seem like a bad city at all, if cities are your thing. |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 11:12 - Jan 30 with 434 views | Herbivore |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 10:02 - Jan 30 by N2_Blue |
I still have my 2007 petrol vauxhall Astra. It's ULEZ exempt. there are so many untruths on this thread about how its impacted people. There was also the scrappage scheme.
Anyone not seeing this had a positive impact just doesn't like any kind of rules in existence.
Its like the people who constanctly crticise Khan for knife crime. Then the recent results published showed a drop in knife crime. The response from the Khan bashers, oh they've fixed the figures, it's not true. There is genuinely no reasoning with some people - they just don't like certain inviduals no matter what they do. |
I wonder what it is about the Muslim mayor of London that bothers some people so much? |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 12:58 - Jan 31 with 257 views | Herbivore |
When will the white British community finally own up to the fact it has a problem with violent extremism? | |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 13:13 - Jan 31 with 243 views | DanTheMan |
This almost reads like satire. I laughed when it said he drove a smart car that was exempt.
He didn't have any real reason to be annoyed but got so angry to the point of planting an actual bomb.
As it says later on there, it's actually quite crazy this didn't get more attention considering. |  |
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| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 13:38 - Jan 31 with 214 views | Steve_M |
| Man jailed for blowing up ULEZ camera on 13:13 - Jan 31 by DanTheMan |
This almost reads like satire. I laughed when it said he drove a smart car that was exempt.
He didn't have any real reason to be annoyed but got so angry to the point of planting an actual bomb.
As it says later on there, it's actually quite crazy this didn't get more attention considering. |
Yes, nothing much at the time and the post-trial stuff is only slowly filtering out. Symptomatic of a media ecosystem ill equipped for the current moment. | |
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