| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:14 - Feb 7 with 503 views | lowhouseblue |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 18:20 - Feb 7 by Dubtractor |
Financially incentivising having children is a mentally stupid policy - it means having children for completely the wrong reason.
And the policy isn't to give a rebate to people who DO have kids, it is to increase tax for people who DON'T. |
"And the policy isn't to give a rebate to people who DO have kids, it is to increase tax for people who DON'T."
isn't reform promising to cut tax (which is of course nonsense fantasy) - in which case there's no difference between the net effect of the two. both are just a change in relative tax rates between the two groups. |  |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:18 - Feb 7 with 506 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 17:56 - Feb 7 by Benters |
Pussy on toast ? |
Sure, but watch out for fur balls. |  |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:19 - Feb 7 with 505 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 18:11 - Feb 7 by have_a_word_with_him |
This is an Ipswich Town football forum. Haven't you got anywhere else to vent your political views? |
Are you new here? | |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:20 - Feb 7 with 504 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 18:12 - Feb 7 by EddyJ |
Seems like a sensible policy. If we are cutting migration (as most parties, especially reform) seem to want, we need to increase birth rate to cope.
One of the major reasons people cite for not having children is financial. This policy addresses that.
They will need to couple it with more support for IVF, children’s services, maternity and paternity leave etc. But as one component of a comprehensive pro-child manifesto, I am in favour. |
Really?! You want to punish people who can't have children?! | |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:23 - Feb 7 with 492 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 18:46 - Feb 7 by chicoazul |
A growing economy, low birth rate, low immigration. Pick two. |
You could incentivise having kids in some way rather than punishing people who don't want kids or can't have them?
Lady Dollers has a slim chance of getting pregnant due to a health issue she was born with. And we should pay higher taxes because of that?!? | |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:33 - Feb 7 with 475 views | EddyJ |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:20 - Feb 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Really?! You want to punish people who can't have children?! |
People who can't have children will be a small minority of those that don't.
As others have said, its not significantly different from child benefit or schools being paid for from taxation.
Having children is beneficial to society and expensive. People who don't have children (including those who can't) will not be providing that benefit or receiving that expense. I think it is fair to redistribute wealth to those who need it more. |  | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:44 - Feb 7 with 456 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:33 - Feb 7 by EddyJ |
People who can't have children will be a small minority of those that don't.
As others have said, its not significantly different from child benefit or schools being paid for from taxation.
Having children is beneficial to society and expensive. People who don't have children (including those who can't) will not be providing that benefit or receiving that expense. I think it is fair to redistribute wealth to those who need it more. |
Have you got some figures that show those who can't have children is a small minority?
Children, who then go onto be adults, use more resources. Having children increases your carbon footprint as well.
I'm not against havings kids and I appreciate overall we will need more, but higher taxes for those who don't have them rather than incentives for those who do is the wrong way round, surely? | |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:45 - Feb 7 with 455 views | vapour_trail |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:33 - Feb 7 by EddyJ |
People who can't have children will be a small minority of those that don't.
As others have said, its not significantly different from child benefit or schools being paid for from taxation.
Having children is beneficial to society and expensive. People who don't have children (including those who can't) will not be providing that benefit or receiving that expense. I think it is fair to redistribute wealth to those who need it more. |
Are you saying Reform are up for serious redistribution of wealth across society?
I could buy into this. |  |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:46 - Feb 7 with 449 views | EddyJ |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:45 - Feb 7 by vapour_trail |
Are you saying Reform are up for serious redistribution of wealth across society?
I could buy into this. |
i'm not saying I like Reform or that I expect them to implement this policy in a way that I would like.
But I do agree with this policy in theory. | | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:48 - Feb 7 with 445 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:45 - Feb 7 by vapour_trail |
Are you saying Reform are up for serious redistribution of wealth across society?
I could buy into this. |
I think you've got a typo there. You've said "society" when I think you meant "Nigel Farage's bank balance". | |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:50 - Feb 7 with 432 views | glasso |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 18:12 - Feb 7 by EddyJ |
Seems like a sensible policy. If we are cutting migration (as most parties, especially reform) seem to want, we need to increase birth rate to cope.
One of the major reasons people cite for not having children is financial. This policy addresses that.
They will need to couple it with more support for IVF, children’s services, maternity and paternity leave etc. But as one component of a comprehensive pro-child manifesto, I am in favour. |
I worked out recently that by the time my second child had finished nursery, it had cost me over £100,000 in fees.
Tell me how this policy is going to make it financially beneficial to tax people for not having them?
These politicians seem to find every other reason for the drop in birth rates, while ignoring:
- It's crazily expensive
- We're all skint.
When popping to the shop for some groceries costs a hundred bloody quid and my wages are stagnant, they're mad if they think a tax cut is gonna have us all shagging like rabbits and popping out their hallowed white babies. | | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:52 - Feb 7 with 430 views | EddyJ |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:44 - Feb 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Have you got some figures that show those who can't have children is a small minority?
Children, who then go onto be adults, use more resources. Having children increases your carbon footprint as well.
I'm not against havings kids and I appreciate overall we will need more, but higher taxes for those who don't have them rather than incentives for those who do is the wrong way round, surely? |
The only reason I worry about the enviornment is because I want the earth to be a fit home for humankind for millenia to come. Its the humans I care about, not the rock we live on.
As long as our birth rate is not causing our population to rise uncontrollably (which it isn't - our birth rate is already well below sustainable levels in this country and will be in virtually every country by the end of the century), I don't see the environment as a good argument in favour of anti-natalism. | | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:53 - Feb 7 with 428 views | vapour_trail |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:50 - Feb 7 by glasso |
I worked out recently that by the time my second child had finished nursery, it had cost me over £100,000 in fees.
Tell me how this policy is going to make it financially beneficial to tax people for not having them?
These politicians seem to find every other reason for the drop in birth rates, while ignoring:
- It's crazily expensive
- We're all skint.
When popping to the shop for some groceries costs a hundred bloody quid and my wages are stagnant, they're mad if they think a tax cut is gonna have us all shagging like rabbits and popping out their hallowed white babies. |
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it does get more expensive. | |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:55 - Feb 7 with 427 views | Swansea_Blue |
Isn’t this one of the latest right wing things? And I don’t mean traditional family values. There’s a bit of a movement amongst American conservative women to push for women to stay out of the workplace and have kids young and be subservient to the ‘man’ of the house. It’s all a bit weird imo. Fine if you want to cosplay the 1890s I suppose, but no good for anyone else. |  |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:55 - Feb 7 with 424 views | EddyJ |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:50 - Feb 7 by glasso |
I worked out recently that by the time my second child had finished nursery, it had cost me over £100,000 in fees.
Tell me how this policy is going to make it financially beneficial to tax people for not having them?
These politicians seem to find every other reason for the drop in birth rates, while ignoring:
- It's crazily expensive
- We're all skint.
When popping to the shop for some groceries costs a hundred bloody quid and my wages are stagnant, they're mad if they think a tax cut is gonna have us all shagging like rabbits and popping out their hallowed white babies. |
I'm far from a Reform spokesperson, but I understand their pollicies are now:
1) Cut general taxation
2) Increase taxation on the child-free
That will mean parents become relatively better off. It is exactly the policy you seem to want. | | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 20:02 - Feb 7 with 408 views | EddyJ |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:55 - Feb 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Isn’t this one of the latest right wing things? And I don’t mean traditional family values. There’s a bit of a movement amongst American conservative women to push for women to stay out of the workplace and have kids young and be subservient to the ‘man’ of the house. It’s all a bit weird imo. Fine if you want to cosplay the 1890s I suppose, but no good for anyone else. |
I find it very strange that the idea of having children could be either left or right wing; its a fairly fundamental part of humanity. But I suppose you can make right or left wing arguments in its favour.
Left wing politics tends to revolve around collectivism. Having children is beneficial to society, therefore the whole of society and not just the parents should contribute towards the children. It tends to be the right wing that argue in favour of the 2 child cap "why should I pay for YOUR children?"
Then you get the whole argument that by having fewer children than the right, the left will dilute their own influence over generations. | | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 20:29 - Feb 7 with 375 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 18:25 - Feb 7 by positivity |
thanks, should've guessed that one, he certainly argued against it.
i guess turning up at your place of work isn't something that people with his sense of entitlement like him need to do! send his minions while he gets on with the important work of earning money bigging up child abusers. |
He said his party would vote against it, 5 did, Braverman and Jenrick voted for it, by mistake(lol) and Nigel didn't turn up to register a vote. |  |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 20:59 - Feb 7 with 346 views | eireblue |
Who pays for schools and nurseries? |  | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 21:00 - Feb 7 with 342 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 20:59 - Feb 7 by eireblue |
Who pays for schools and nurseries? |
Everyone's taxes? | |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 21:05 - Feb 7 with 334 views | glasso |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:53 - Feb 7 by vapour_trail |
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it does get more expensive. |
Oh maaaaaan.
Are we still allowed to send them up chimneys for some extra income? | | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 21:06 - Feb 7 with 334 views | eireblue |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 21:00 - Feb 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Everyone's taxes? |
Crikey, I think you maybe correct, someone should mention that to reform, people without children, already subsidise people with children. | | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 21:07 - Feb 7 with 333 views | bartyg |
I've always said it- if there's a group who have it too easy in the economy in the last 20 years, it's the young. (/s) |  | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 21:11 - Feb 7 with 323 views | glasso |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 19:55 - Feb 7 by EddyJ |
I'm far from a Reform spokesperson, but I understand their pollicies are now:
1) Cut general taxation
2) Increase taxation on the child-free
That will mean parents become relatively better off. It is exactly the policy you seem to want. |
It's not, though. I mean, of course a cut in taxation would be nice for my pay cheque, but it won't touch the sides while my wages stagnate and the cost of living goes through the roof.
Tbh right now I could pay zero tax and I still wouldn't be wealthy. They all wang on about tax when the elephant in the room is that tax doesn't change the real problems, many of which were caused by Farage's Brexit. | | | |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 21:18 - Feb 7 with 301 views | vapour_trail |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 21:05 - Feb 7 by glasso |
Oh maaaaaan.
Are we still allowed to send them up chimneys for some extra income? |
That’s what I do, but don’t tell anyone. | |
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| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 21:43 - Feb 7 with 269 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Reform candidate says you should be taxed more for not having children on 20:02 - Feb 7 by EddyJ |
I find it very strange that the idea of having children could be either left or right wing; its a fairly fundamental part of humanity. But I suppose you can make right or left wing arguments in its favour.
Left wing politics tends to revolve around collectivism. Having children is beneficial to society, therefore the whole of society and not just the parents should contribute towards the children. It tends to be the right wing that argue in favour of the 2 child cap "why should I pay for YOUR children?"
Then you get the whole argument that by having fewer children than the right, the left will dilute their own influence over generations. |
It’s all a bit odd isn’t it. Who cares? Some have loads, some have none. It all evens out, although it can be an issue when birth rates drop to a level that won’t support an aging population. But then more kids = growing population and more pressure on resources. What to do? I can see why people turn to drink and drugs to ignore all this! | |
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